Why can't Muslims Take Criticism? (Page 163) ghostgeek: A hundred and thirty or so people, wandering behind a psychopath, aren't likely to leave much evidence of their existence even if they didn't take their rubbish with them. ghostgeek: The story of the Exodus is a fairy tale. By the time the Hebrews reached the promised land, Solomon had already built his temple.  MJ59: Yeah the only places I've seen it written as being realt usually have the creation tag on them  Zanjan: Angry, the historical records are in the Torah. Why on earth would you think the pagans would have recorded Moses's history? No religion ever documented a new religion's history. If they did, they wouldn't tell the same story. The pagans were known to not mention their failures but didnt mind boasting of their successes, although some of them were seriously over-inflated, according to what those on the other side maintained. That's the way of war. Even in modern war, there are coverups and suppression of information. Official accounts often conflict with what the people say - which side will you believe? The most enduring strategy of war is to have spies everywhere - infiltrators and traitors. Don't you think Moses and Pharoah knew that?? They weren't leaders for nothing. The name of Pharoah wasn't mentioned; maybe ask why that is. By the time we get to Jesus, there is mention of a few contemporary leaders; so, we can identify the time by comparing to the civilian records. Also, archeology finds from 2 thousand years ago were not ruined as badly. Zanjan: Few people have asked why Moses wanted to take His people on pilgrimage - where was the destination? That should be an easy deduction - where Mecca is, a Red Sea coastal town in western Arabia. Why there? Abraham, with His son Issac, built the cube there.  Blackshoes: You cannot beat the evidence. It's clear as crystal. Of course, folks like you cannot accept anything that doesn't agree with your bias.Let's hear you try and get out of this one', maybe Ben and Teller can come up with a fairytale explanation for all this stuff left in the desert  (Edited by Blackshoes) Zanjan: Here's an article from last year: https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/2019/october/saudi-arabia-to-allow-access-to-ancient-biblical-sites-including-lsquo-the-real-rsquo-mount-sinai Blackshoes: Thank you Zanjan I wasn't aware that it had been opened  I just may book a fight (Edited by Blackshoes) ghostgeek: We know why Moses concocted a story to get the Hebrews to follow him. He wanted to take them to see an erupting volcano in Midian. ghostgeek: What isn't so easy to explain is why anybody in the twenty-first century would think a volcano was God. Shows that a lot of people need to catch up with the times. Zanjan: "Herod built HIS temple out of stone and it isn't around either." That's not correct. He actually built 3 pagan temples (for caesar); parts of them are still standing because they were built out of stone. They're more like shrines. He contributed to the *expansion* of the second temple and some of its parts are also still there. He was quite the player, eh. The Tanach has a description of how the first temple was made and its size. The foundations were made of stone but the frame was of wood. Since you can't burn down stone, the people were in the habit of re-using cut blocks for new buildings. Nobody has confirmed where Solomon's temple (supposedly in Jerusalem) was because inscriptions in stone are required to identify them; excavating the Temple Mount isn't feasible. Interesting factoid: there's an ancient temple in Northern Syria which identically aligns with the description, right down to the lion carvings at the stone base so, that had thrown archeologists deeper into the mystery. It was dated to 1,300 B.C. and was in use until 740 B.C. The first Jewish temple was built in the 10th century B.C; if this isn't it, then the Jewish temple was a replica of the Phoenician building. Jews still believe the second temple was built on top of its ruins, which makes sense because they did that everywhere else, building towns and cities on top of each other. Also, because it was a Holy Site - the Biblical threshing floor. There's an argument of where the original threshing floor was. ghostgeek: FOR 15 centuries, Jebel Musa, in the Sinai desert area of Egypt, has been a place of pilgrimage for Christians as the mountain where Moses received the Ten Commandments from God. But a new storm is breaking above its craggy peak. A British scientist claims to have identified another mountain as the place where Moses received God’s law. In a controversial book, Colin Humphreys, the professor of materials science at Cambridge University, argues that Mount Sinai was the present-day Mount Bedr, in north-western Saudi Arabia, moving a key site for Judaism into the nation where Islam was founded. [ https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/scientist-s-faith-moves-mountain-1-646110 ] ghostgeek: Much of his book is persuasive, including its key finding - that Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia, not the Sinai peninsula. He presents a cogently argued case, based not only on a redrawn route for the Exodus but also on the theory that the mountain of God must have been an active volcano. [ https://www.timeshighereducation.com/cn/features/the-man-who-moved-mt-sinai/176540.article ] | Politics Chat Room 30 People Chatting
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