Why can't Muslims Take Criticism? (Page 157)

Zanjan
Zanjan: According to history, the wine that Jews made in Jesus's time was thick with fermented fruit mash, described by the Romans as so wretched, the Romans wouldn't drink it.
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HPLC18: MILLIONS OF EVABGELICALS AND PEOPLE FROM CERTAIN RELIONS IN AMERICA DO NOT VOTE
THAT IS CAUSE THE TRY TO LIVE AS THE BIBLE SAYS
SO THERE ARE EVANGELICALS, AMISH, JEHOVHA WITNESSES, DO NOT VOTE

TRUMP IS TRYING TO REGISTER EVANGELICALS NOW, MILLIONS OF THEM.

IT WILL BE HARD TO DO
ASKING PEOPLE TO GO AGAINST THEIR RELIGION.
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APPENDIX

Flag Salute, Voting, and Civilian Service
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Flag salute. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that bowing down to a flag or saluting it, often in conjunction with an anthem, is a religious act that ascribes salvation, not to God, but to the State or to its leaders. (Isaiah 43:11; 1 Corinthians 10:14; 1 John 5:21) One such leader was King Nebuchadnezzar of ancient Babylon. To impress the people with his majesty and religious ardor, this powerful monarch erected a great image and compelled his subjects to bow down to it while music, like an anthem, was being played. However, three Hebrews​—Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego—​refused to bow to the image, even on pain of death.​—Daniel, chapter 3.

In our age, “nationalism’s chief symbol of faith and central object of worship is the flag,” wrote historian Carlton Hayes. “Men bare their heads when the flag passes by; and in praise of the flag poets write odes and children sing hymns.” Nationalism, he added, also has its “holy days,” such as the Fourth of July in the United States, as well as its “saints and heroes” and its “temples,” or shrines. In a public ceremony in Brazil, the minister general of the army acknowledged: “The flag is venerated and worshiped . . . just as the Fatherland is worshiped.” Yes, “the flag, like the cross, is sacred,” The Encyclopedia Americana once observed.

The aforementioned encyclopedia more recently noted that national anthems “are expressions of patriotic feeling and often include an invocation for divine guidance and protection of the people or their rulers.” Jehovah’s servants are not being unreasonable, therefore, when they view patriotic ceremonies involving the flag salute and national anthems as religious. In fact, when commenting on the refusal of children of Jehovah’s Witnesses to give homage to the flag or to swear the oath of allegiance in U.S. schools, the book The American Character stated: “That these daily rituals are religious has been at last affirmed by the Supreme Court in a series of cases.”

While not joining in ceremonies that they view as unscriptural, Jehovah’s people certainly respect the right of others to do so. They also respect national flags as emblems and recognize duly constituted governments as “superior authorities” serving as “God’s minister.” (Romans 13:1-4) Hence, Jehovah’s Witnesses heed the exhortation to pray “concerning kings and all those who are in high positions.” Our motive, though, is “so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness.”​—1 Timothy 2:2.

Voting in political elections. True Christians respect the right of others to vote. They do not campaign against elections, and they cooperate with elected authorities. However, they remain resolutely neutral with regard to the political affairs of the nations. (Matthew 22:21; 1 Peter 3:16) What should a Christian do in lands where voting is compulsory or in a situation where feelings run high against those who do not go to the voting booth? Remembering that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego went as far as the plain of Dura, a Christian, under similar circumstances, may decide to go to the booth if his conscience permits. However, he will take care not to violate his neutrality. He should take into account the following six principles:

Jesus’ followers are “no part of the world.”​—John 15:19.

Christians represent Christ and his Kingdom.​—John 18:36; 2 Corinthians 5:20.

The Christian congregation is united in belief, and its members are bound together by Christlike love.​—1 Corinthians 1:10; Colossians 3:14.

Those who elect a certain official share responsibility for what he does.​—Note the principles behind the words recorded at 1 Samuel 8:5, 10-18 and 1 Timothy 5:22.

Jehovah viewed Israel’s desire for a visible ruler as a sign that they had rejected Him.​—1 Samuel 8:7.

Christians must have freeness of speech when speaking to people of all political persuasions about God’s Kingdom government.​—Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20; Hebrews 10:35.
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HPLC18: God’s Kingdom—A Government With No Corruption
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“At the end of the day, public officials are still citizens and we are all a product of society.” So stated the chief auditor of Nicaragua when explaining why he felt that government corruption was impossible to eliminate.

Would you not agree that if human society is corrupt, then any government that is a part of it will inevitably be corrupt? If that is the case, then a government free of corruption must come from outside human society. The Bible describes just such a government—God’s Kingdom, the government for which Jesus taught his followers to pray.—Matthew 6:9, 10.

God’s Kingdom is a real government that rules from heaven. It will replace all human governments. (Psalm 2:8, 9; Revelation 16:14; 19:19-21) Among the blessings that the Kingdom will bring to mankind is the elimination of government corruption. Consider six features of the Kingdom that guarantee this.

1. POWER
THE PROBLEM: Human governments are funded by their citizens, most often through taxes and duties. This flow of money tempts some officials to steal, while others accept bribes from individuals who want them to reduce their taxes or other payments due the government. A vicious circle may result—the government raises taxes to make up for such losses, and this in turn fosters more corruption. In an environment like that, people who are honest may suffer the most.

THE SOLUTION: God’s Kingdom receives its power from the almighty God, Jehovah. * (Revelation 11:15) It does not need to collect taxes to pay for its operation. Instead, God’s “awe-inspiring power” and his unselfish generosity ensure that the Kingdom will abundantly provide for the needs of all its subjects.—Isaiah 40:26; Psalm 145:16.

2. RULER
THE PROBLEM: The effort to eliminate corruption “must start at the top,” observes Susan Rose-Ackerman, quoted in the preceding article. Governments lose credibility when they try to eradicate corruption among police or customs officers while tolerating it among high officials. And even the most ethical human ruler is subject to inherent imperfection. As the Bible says, “there is no righteous man on earth who always does good.”—Ecclesiastes 7:20.

Jesus rejected the most massive bribe ever offered

THE SOLUTION: Unlike imperfect humans, Jesus Christ, whom God has selected to be Ruler of the Kingdom, cannot be tempted into doing what is wrong. Jesus showed this by rejecting the most massive bribe ever offered—“all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.” Jesus was promised this in exchange for one act of false worship to the ruler of the world, the Devil. (Matthew 4:8-10; John 14:30) Even when Jesus was being tortured to death, he was so determined to maintain his integrity that he refused a drug that would have dulled the pain but might also have left him without full command of his senses. (Matthew 27:34) Now raised back to heavenly life by God, Jesus has proved that he is fully qualified to rule over the Kingdom.—Philippians 2:8-11.

3. STABILITY
THE PROBLEM: Many countries hold elections regularly, which in theory allows people to vote corrupt officials out of office. The reality, though, is that campaigns and elections are prone to corruption, even in so-called developed countries. By means of campaign contributions and other actions, the rich can unduly influence current and future officeholders.

Justice John Paul Stevens of the U.S. Supreme Court wrote that such influence threatens “not only the legitimacy and quality of Government but also the public’s faith therein.” It is little wonder, then, that many people worldwide have the perception that political parties are the most corrupt of all institutions.

THE SOLUTION: God’s Kingdom removes the possibility of campaign or electoral fraud by being a stable, permanent rulership. (Daniel 7:13, 14) Since its Ruler is chosen by God, the Kingdom is neither validated by elections nor subject to overthrow. Its stability helps to ensure that the actions it takes are always in the best long-term interests of its people.

4. LAWS
Jesus Christ on his heavenly throne ruling over the earth below
God’s Kingdom is a real government that rules from heaven

THE PROBLEM: At first, you might think that enacting new laws could improve matters. However, experts have found that in many cases, increasing the number of laws just provides more opportunities for corruption. Additionally, legislation specifically intended to reduce corruption often costs much to implement yet accomplishes little.

THE SOLUTION: The laws of the Kingdom of God are vastly superior to those of human governments. For example, rather than itemizing an extensive list of dos and don’ts, Jesus gave what is often called the Golden Rule. He stated: “All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them.” (Matthew 7:12) Perhaps more significantly, the laws of the Kingdom focus on both motives and actions. “You must love your neighbor as yourself,” said Jesus. (Matthew 22:39) Of course, God, who can read the heart, could actually enforce such commands.—1 Samuel 16:7.

5. MOTIVES
THE PROBLEM: The driving forces behind corruption are greed and self-interest. Government officials and citizens often display those negative qualities. In the department-store collapse in Seoul mentioned in the preceding article, government officials accepted bribes from contractors who knew that paying a bribe would be less costly than using proper building materials and construction practices.

To eliminate corruption, then, people must be taught how to overcome entrenched motives such as greed and selfishness. However, human governments lack both the will and the ability to implement this type of educational program.

THE SOLUTION: God’s Kingdom deals with corruption at its roots by teaching people how to overcome the wrong motives that cause it. * This education helps them “to be made new in [their] dominant mental attitude.” (Ephesians 4:23) They learn to replace greed and selfishness with contentment and interest in others.—Philippians 2:4; 1 Timothy 6:6.

6. SUBJECTS
THE PROBLEM: Even in the best environment and with the finest education in morals, some people will choose to be dishonest and corrupt. Experts admit that this is why human governments cannot eliminate corruption. The most that can be hoped for is that the scope and destructive effects of corruption can be limited.

THE SOLUTION: The United Nations Convention Against Corruption states that to fight corruption, governments should promote “integrity, honesty and responsibility.” While this is a noble goal, God’s Kingdom does more than just promote these qualities—it requires them of its subjects. The Bible says that “greedy people” and “liars” will not qualify to inherit the Kingdom.—1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Revelation 21:8.

People can learn to adhere to these high moral standards, as the early Christians proved. For example, when a disciple named Simon tried to buy a spiritual favor from the apostles, they refused the bribe and told him: “Repent of this badness of yours.” Once Simon saw the danger of his wrong desire, he asked the apostles to pray in his behalf so that he could overcome it.—Acts 8:18-24.

HOW TO BECOME A SUBJECT OF THE KINGDOM
Regardless of your nationality, you have the opportunity to become a subject of God’s Kingdom. (Acts 10:34, 35) The program of education offered by the Kingdom—which is available around the world right now—will show you how. Jehovah’s Witnesses will be happy to demonstrate their free home Bible study arrangement, which can take as little as ten minutes a week. Among other things, you can learn more about “the good news of the Kingdom of God,” including how it will eliminate government corruption. (Luke 4:43) We invite you to contact the Witnesses in your area or to visit our Web site, jw.org.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Many people don't vote because they don't like any of the political candidates.

The electoral system also fails them when voting for the leader because the only way to do that is to vote for the party representative in one's own region, someone they might just be totally against as they don't represent their interests.
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HPLC18: WELL, IN 2016 A RECORD NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOTED
BLEW AWAY THE OLD RECORD
AND MORE THAN 8.2 MILLION PEOPLE VOTED FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN TRUMP OR CLINTON.
I THINK TNHE ELECTIONS ABOUT WINNING AS MANY OF THOSE 8.2 MILLION REGISTERED VOTERS OVER TO YOUR SIDE.

TRUMP REGISTERING EVANGELICALS IS A MOVE TO BRING IN EVEN MORE VOTES
WILL NOT BE EASY
BUT THEIR ARE ENOUGH VOTERS REGISTERED ON THE TABLE FOR TRUMP TO WIN

G - 1 - 2016 RESULTS- OVERVIEW
The vote counts are from June 29, 2017
Data Compiled From
Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections - County Data
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Total votes
Trump 62,985,134 45.93%
Clinton 65,853,652 48.02%
Others 8,286,698 6,05%
Total 137,125,484 100%
Clinton won by 2,868,518 - 2.09% margin
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Total States = 50
Trump State wins = 30 plus Maine CD 2
Clinton State wins = 20 plus DC
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Total Counties = 3152
Trump County wins = 2649
Clinton County wins = 503
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Total Congressional Districts = 435
Trump District wins = 230
Clinton District wins = 205
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Electoral College
Trump 306
Clinton 232
Electoral College took
2 away from Trump
5 away from Clinton
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2016 vs 2012

7,887,842 more votes cast In 2016 than 2012

5,901,970 more third party votes cast In 2016 than 2012

Clinton has 64,855 less votes than Obama 2012

Trump has 2,050,727 more votes than Romney 2012
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Most individual votes all time
Obama 2008 69,499,428
Obama 2012 65,918,507
Clinton 2016 65,853,652
Trump 2016 62,985,134
Bush 2004 62,039,572
Romney 2012 60,934,407
McCain 2008 59,950,323
Kerry 2004 59,027,115
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Most total votes all time
2016 137,125,484 (8,286,698 3rd party)
2012 129,237,642 (2,384,728 3rd party)
2008 131,473,705
2004 122,303,590
2000 105,425,985
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Zanjan
Zanjan: You seem to have lost your way. Can you explain how any of your posts relate to Muslims taking criticism?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: What are we voting for?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: To get back on the subject?
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HPLC18
HPLC18: CAUSE THE PREMISE IS DISCRIMATORY.
EVERYONE TAKES CRITICISM.
WHY PEOPLE IN THE MUSLIM RELIGION?
PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.
ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA
IT DONT MATTER WHAT RELIGION YOU ARE, RACE, CREED, COLOR, NATIONALITY.
WE ARE ALL AMERICANS HERE.
ONE FLAG
ONE COUNTRY.

BREAKING PEOPLE UP INTO GROUPS IS WRONG.


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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: People break themselves up into groups. Is that wrong?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "One flag, one country"......the first to say this was the IRS. What do Americans do with the rest of the world? Sell them arms, apparently.
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HPLC18
HPLC18: YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING,...
ITS NOT RIGHT TO STEREIOTYPE GROUP OF PEOPLE
LIKE SAYING MUSLIMS DONT TAKE CRITICIAM
OR POLISH ARE THIS
OR ITALIANS OR THAT
OR IRISH ARE DRUNKS
ETC ETC...
ITS NOT ASERUIOUS CONVERSARTION
ITS STUPID
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Tell that to the two people who got knifed to death in London recently by a Muslim fanatic.
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ghostgeek: They let him out of jug and he went and killed two people who were trying to help him.
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Fractured fairy tale: Trump is Stupid.
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ghostgeek: Do stupid men get to be the president of the United States?
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Fractured fairy tale: No only people who are Prepared to sell there Soul to the Devil
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Zanjan
Zanjan: HPLC: "YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING,..."

Please turn off your caps lock. Seems you didn't know what *I* was saying: "one flag, one people" (as you wrote), is nationalism. I hope you're not using that as a logo because there's no context so one could read it as racist.

Permit me to suggest "One people, one planet" - that would cover it all.

People fit themselves into their own stereotypes - that's why they exist. From the time they're teenagers, they ask "Who am I?" and look for a place to fit in. They want to be part of something so their choice often has to do with what they see in their own environment. In many cases, it doesn't really appear like a choice.

There's an old saying that one can change their skies but not their heart. However, if they change their environment, they'll improve but it still takes one generation to eradicate the trappings of an old mindset and its habits. Their children won't be as their parents were.
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Zanjan: The London attack had nothing to do with radicalism - the guy was psychotic and should have been in a criminal mental hospital. There's no way a guy can be so unbalanced without his keepers and cellmates seeing the symptoms. I hope somebody got fired over that.
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Fractured fairy tale: So says you . Isis were verry expert at using propaganda over the hive brain . Verry professional. Almost like they had help
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Delusions are not symptoms of low IQ. Remember the Unibomber.

A professional terrorist?? You mean soldiers. They weren't effective on me. Guess that means I'm not mentally disturbed.

Nobody is paying the perps of lone-wolf attacks. Charles Manson had a lot of fan mail right up until he died, at least 4 letters a day, asking to join his cult family. Obviously, they were willing to do business on the 'outside'. Now that's he's gone, where do those people turn?
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ghostgeek: Slaughter on a grand scale and you become God.
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