Why can't Muslims Take Criticism? (Page 156)

Blackshoes
Blackshoes: I imagine the following also applies to the recent post by bhathiyap

" Truth? Who the hell knows what goes on behind the scenes? "

Interesting choice of words. It can be said those in Heaven or Hell know one more truth than they did before their entrance to eternity. Of course, those that already believe the truth will not be surprised by their ignorance.

I often wonder how truly little we know about the world around us.
Truthful, accurate, unbias Information can make all the difference.
It is simple to state we no know truths', and just as simple to state we know no truth?



"The truth of a theory can never be proven, for one never knows if future experience will contradict its conclusions."

Albert Einstein

"The effort to strive for truth has to precede all other efforts."

Albert Einstein


"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."

Albert Einstein
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HPLC18
HPLC18: I went to a few jehovah witnesses sunday services back when i was studyting the bible
most all of the 2nd part of the services isd spent bashing the catholic church.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: A number of Protestant sect do the same Judge not, lest you judge yourself
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HPLC18
HPLC18: the jehovah witnesses main point is everything they teach and believe in is from the catholic church, 100 percent.
They went back with expert scholars and the original texts in the original lanuages, and used the originakl meaning, , to write their version of the bible and their teachings.
IT IS 100 PERCENT TRUE CATHOLIC.
They say it is the catholic church who abandoned their own faith.

They do have a point on this.
They do win this argument.

A lot of JW'S are converted catholics too.

When I was studying with the Jehovah witness minister here, every saturday on my driveway we sat in his care and studied the bible using the bible study books, and i did this for 2 years solid,...
I had my 1950's Catholic text book style bible with me.
We would read what we wee studying from the JW Bible, then from my catholic 1950's bible.

IT WAS THE SAME. EXACTLY.
Some of the words were different, but the catholic bible i had had explanation footnotes at the bottom
and THE EXPLANATION IN THE FOOT NOTE IN THE CATHOLIC BIBLE WAS 100 PERCENT WHAT THE JW BIBLE HAD IN IT. EVERYTIME, WITHOUT FAIL.

THEY MATCHED. THE ENTIRE STUDY.

THE PROBLEM IS THE CATHOLIC CHUYRCH DOESNT TEACH THE BIBLE AND DOESNT WANT ANYONE STUDYING THE BIBLE, NOT EVEN ITS' PRIESTS.

I LEARNED A TON IN THOSE 2 YEARS.
ESPECIALLY THE MEANING OF WORDS
LIKE SOUL
AND MANY OTHER WORDS THAT I THOUGHT I NEW THE MEANING OF, BUT REALLY HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE MEANING OF THE WORD WAS.

FOR THIS JW MINISTER AND HIS WIFE TO DO THIS FOR ME FOR 2 YEARS WAS REMARKABLE DEDICATION TO THEIR FAITH.

I NEVER JHOINED THE JW, BECAUSE I DIDNT THINK I COULD LIVE UP TO IT.
BUT I DO NOW KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE REALLY SAYS ON EVERYTHING.

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HPLC18
HPLC18: IF I WERE A JW I WOULD BE SHUNED FOR WHAT I WRITE
JW'S ARENT ALLOWED TO BE INVOLVED IN POLITICS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OF FORM
NOT ONLY CANT YOU VOTE,.
YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO WEIGH IN ON ANYTHING POLITICAL.
BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS NOT TO, JESUS SAYS NOT TO DO IT IN THE BIBLE.
SO WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LIVE UP TO THAT.
BUT LUCKILY IT ALSO SAYS I AM FORGIVEN.
AS AS LONG AS I TRY TO BE AS GOOD A PEROSN AS A ICAN, I GOT A SHOT IN THE 1000 YEARS WHEN SATAN IS CHAINED UP TO LEARN HOW TO BE, AND HAVE IT STICK WHEN SATAN IN UNLEASHED ONTO THE EARTH .
THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS THAT TIME YOU WILL BE JUDGED ON, NOT THIS LIFE, BUT AFTER YOU LEARN FOR 100 YEARS, THEN SATAN IS UNLEASHED, AND THEN HOW YOU BEHAVE AND ACT, AND EVEYTHING, GOES INTO THE BOOK OF LIFE FOR JUDGEMENT DAY.
THEN YOU WIL EITHER LIVE ON EARTH FOREVER IN PARADISE, OR BE GONE FOREVER FROM EXISTANCE
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Zanjan
Zanjan: HPLC: "and used the originakl meaning,"

Haha, as if any Christian knows their original meaning!! Sure, Jesus clarified some Old Testament things but who clarified New Testament things? Christians don't know.

"They say it is the catholic church who abandoned their own faith."

You don't need anyone's take on the Bible to know when a people have abandoned the way of the Lord. This is just the tea kettle calling the pot black.

"BUT I DO NOW KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE REALLY SAYS ON EVERYTHING."

Did you know it was never written in All-Caps? Did you know Jesus said ALL of His followers would fall away?

"JESUS SAYS NOT TO DO IT IN THE BIBLE."

He didn't say anything about voting. He did say they should obey the laws of their government - that is, the civilian laws of the land. The people had no right to object to those laws.

" IT ALSO SAYS I AM FORGIVEN."

I don't recall seeing your name in the Bible. FYI, the 1000 years is long over. THINK about it. God asks you to reason - that means "to think". Nobody lives on earth forever; not only is it impossible, but that would also be pointless.
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HPLC18
HPLC18: We follow the example of Jesus, who refused to accept political office. (John 6:​15) He taught his disciples to be “no part of the world” and made it clear that they should not take sides in political issues.​—John 17:14, 16; 18:36; Mark 12:13-​17.
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HPLC18
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Jehovah’s Witnesses remain politically neutral for religious reasons, based on what the Bible teaches. We do not lobby, vote for political parties or candidates, run for government office, or participate in any action to change governments. We believe that the Bible gives solid reasons for following this course.

We follow the example of Jesus, who refused to accept political office. (John 6:​15) He taught his disciples to be “no part of the world” and made it clear that they should not take sides in political issues.​—John 17:14, 16; 18:36; Mark 12:13-​17.

We are loyal to God’s Kingdom, which Jesus spoke of when he said: “This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth.” (Matthew 24:14) As representatives of God’s Kingdom, commissioned to proclaim its coming, we remain neutral in the political affairs of all countries, including the one where we live.​—2 Corinthians 5:​20; Ephesians 6:​20.

By remaining neutral, we are able to speak freely to people of all political persuasions about the good news of God’s Kingdom. We try to show by our words and practices that we rely on God’s Kingdom to solve the world’s problems.​—Psalm 56:11.

Since we avoid political divisions, we are united as an international brotherhood. (Colossians 3:​14; 1 Peter 2:​17) In contrast, religions that meddle in politics divide their members.​—1 Corinthians 1:​10.

Respect for governments. Although we do not take part in politics, we respect the authority of the governments under which we live. This is in harmony with the Bible’s command: “Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities.” (Romans 13:1) We obey the law, pay taxes, and cooperate with efforts of the government to provide for the welfare of its citizens. Rather than participate in any attempt to subvert the government, we follow the Bible’s counsel to pray for “kings and all those who are in positions of authority,” especially when they are making decisions that could affect freedom of worship.​—1 Timothy 2:​1, 2, footnote.

We also respect the rights of others to make their own decisions in political matters. For example, we do not disrupt elections or interfere with those who choose to vote.

Is our neutrality a modern innovation? No. The apostles and other first-century Christians took an identical stand toward governmental authority. The book Beyond Good Intentions states: “Though they believed they were obligated to honor the governing authorities, the early Christians did not believe in participating in political affairs.” Similarly, the book On the Road to Civilization says that early Christians “would not hold political office.”

Is our political neutrality a threat to national security? No. We are peace-loving citizens from whom governmental authorities have nothing to fear. Consider a 2001 report produced by the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. Commenting on our political neutrality, the report stated: “Today some may dislike this stand of Jehovah’s Witnesses; it was a basic reason for their being accused by the totalitarian Nazi and Communist regimes of the past.” Yet, even under Soviet repression, the Witnesses “remained law-abiding citizens. They honestly and selflessly worked in collective farms and at industrial plants and presented no threat to the Communist regime.” Likewise today, the beliefs and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not, the report concluded, “undermine the security and integrity of any state.”
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "We follow the example of Jesus, who refused to accept political office"

Jesus wasn't invited to take political office. The Jews already had a king. He withdrew from a group of malcontents because He didn't want anything to do with anarchists.

God's Revelators never have temporal leadership; Christ was a Spiritual King, a king of kings.

Some people aren't easy to teach. Unlike the pastor who'd spent all that time with you, Jesus knew when to move on and He kept on moving. The most time He was in anyone's presence was with His own Apostles.
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davidk1
davidk1: .

I'd like to know who wrote all this stuff down when Jesus was talking to folks. I mean, who transcribed all this and where is it being stored? I mean, when someone writes a book about of historical importance, they have proof like pictures and documents of facts to support their writings. I mean, for example, when Jesus was turning water into wine, who was the fact witness and wrote that down and when?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "Why Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Maintain Political Neutrality?"

It's not possible to maintain political neutrality as long as you care about humanity's issues. Mankind needs guidance in all things. God is never politically neutral - He's deeply concerned with International relations, Peace and Justice; thus, He gave counsel on these things.

In fact, the Monarchy was a system of government created by God. Throughout history, the world's leaders have had spiritual advisors for that very reason. They're entrusted with keeping order and protecting the people from harm. Any beneficent ruler has been guided by the wisdom in scripture.

Every organization requires its own policies - that's what the word "political" means.

Baha'is don't get involved in *partisan* politics - that's a whole different ball of wax. They don't run or campaign for public political office. Like all religions, they have their own system of government, including a court, and it doesn't conflict with the government of the land.

Baha'is have a third world Development Agency and an NGO office at the United Nations because they're sincerely concerned about human affairs. As volunteers, they've worked unceasingly to improve those conditions on a global basis. If not for Baha'u'llah's commands and His letters to all the leaders of the world, the UN and G8 Summits wouldn't even exist.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: David, Jesus made waves - can't do that in a vacuum. There's almost nothing written about His childhood and adolescence because His mission hadn't begun.

Once it was launched, everyone He spoke to was a witness. Imagine the honour of being alive and in the presence of a Revelator! He made a significant impression; everyone He spoke to mentioned His name throughout the rest of their lives.
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davidk1
davidk1: .

So, when Jesus turned water into wine, the folks who saw him do that, told their kids and their kids told their kids and so on, generation after generation for hundreds, thousands of years. Is that what you are saying? Who were the first folks that actually wrote down that Jesus turned water into wine?

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Zanjan
Zanjan: The story doesn't have to travel down through every generation - it only needed to be recorded during one generation (His generation) and it was. How could you possibly think God would create such a momentous, pre-ordained event and not have anyone say anything???
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davidk1
davidk1: .

I get it. I do. But I'm asking a real question, who actually wrote it down the first time that Jesus turned water into wine? Did the first person who wrote it down actually see him do it?

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Zanjan
Zanjan: The water into wine thing - there were lots of people there but it was Mary, mother of Jesus, who'd asked Him to take care of business. Perhaps you're taking that too literally. It doesn't matter who was the first to put pen to paper - it matters who was there.
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davidk1
davidk1: .

I just asked a question. I've heard that it is written in the New Testament that Jesus turned water into wine. It is written. I just want to know when that was written down and who wrote it.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Check the author of the chapter.
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HPLC18
HPLC18: jesus was invited to be the king of all nation,s and he turend it down.
BEIG KNING OF ONE OR MORE COUNTRIES IS A POLITICAL OFFICE.
JESUS TURNED IT DOW N FLAT COLD
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davidk1
davidk1: .

It's just written in the Bible with no author. The bible is an accumulation of authors over hundreds of years. Those like you that follow the bible say those that wrote the bible were touched by the hand of God. Great. I have no issue with that. However, who actually saw Jesus turns water into wine and who first wrote it down? Easy questions for followers to answer...yes?

I believe in God by the way.



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Zanjan
Zanjan: HPLC, there has never been a temporal king of all nations nor will there ever be. Even empires had their borders and empires are now extinct.
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HPLC18
HPLC18: THE BIBLE IS FROM GOD
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davidk1
davidk1: .

God wrote the Bible. How did he do that?

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HPLC18
HPLC18: I DONT QUESTION GOD
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Zanjan
Zanjan: David wrote: "Those like you that follow the bible"

I don't follow the Bible, I read it from time to time. John (an apostle) is the recorder of the Wedding in Cana - all of the disciples were present. If there had been anything incorrect about the narrative, the other disciples would have countered that.

However you wish to read it, the water into wine is still a metaphor (non-believers weren't recording that) to show He was making common plain drink into something sweet and intoxicating to satisfy the thirst. "Behold, I make all things new".

In the New Testament, the only recorders are Jesus's Apostles.
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