Why can't Muslims Take Criticism? (Page 156)

Blackshoes: I imagine the following also applies to the recent post by bhathiyap

" Truth? Who the hell knows what goes on behind the scenes? "

Interesting choice of words. It can be said those in Heaven or Hell know one more truth than they did before their entrance to eternity. Of course, those that already believe the truth will not be surprised by their ignorance.

I often wonder how truly little we know about the world around us.
Truthful, accurate, unbias Information can make all the difference.
It is simple to state we no know truths', and just as simple to state we know no truth?



"The truth of a theory can never be proven, for one never knows if future experience will contradict its conclusions."

Albert Einstein

"The effort to strive for truth has to precede all other efforts."

Albert Einstein


"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."

Albert Einstein

Blackshoes: A number of Protestant sect do the same Judge not, lest you judge yourself

Zanjan: HPLC: "and used the originakl meaning,"

Haha, as if any Christian knows their original meaning!! Sure, Jesus clarified some Old Testament things but who clarified New Testament things? Christians don't know.

"They say it is the catholic church who abandoned their own faith."

You don't need anyone's take on the Bible to know when a people have abandoned the way of the Lord. This is just the tea kettle calling the pot black.

"BUT I DO NOW KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE REALLY SAYS ON EVERYTHING."

Did you know it was never written in All-Caps? Did you know Jesus said ALL of His followers would fall away?

"JESUS SAYS NOT TO DO IT IN THE BIBLE."

He didn't say anything about voting. He did say they should obey the laws of their government - that is, the civilian laws of the land. The people had no right to object to those laws.

" IT ALSO SAYS I AM FORGIVEN."

I don't recall seeing your name in the Bible. FYI, the 1000 years is long over. THINK about it. God asks you to reason - that means "to think". Nobody lives on earth forever; not only is it impossible, but that would also be pointless.

Zanjan: "We follow the example of Jesus, who refused to accept political office"

Jesus wasn't invited to take political office. The Jews already had a king. He withdrew from a group of malcontents because He didn't want anything to do with anarchists.

God's Revelators never have temporal leadership; Christ was a Spiritual King, a king of kings.

Some people aren't easy to teach. Unlike the pastor who'd spent all that time with you, Jesus knew when to move on and He kept on moving. The most time He was in anyone's presence was with His own Apostles.

davidk1: .

I'd like to know who wrote all this stuff down when Jesus was talking to folks. I mean, who transcribed all this and where is it being stored? I mean, when someone writes a book about of historical importance, they have proof like pictures and documents of facts to support their writings. I mean, for example, when Jesus was turning water into wine, who was the fact witness and wrote that down and when?

Zanjan: "Why Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Maintain Political Neutrality?"

It's not possible to maintain political neutrality as long as you care about humanity's issues. Mankind needs guidance in all things. God is never politically neutral - He's deeply concerned with International relations, Peace and Justice; thus, He gave counsel on these things.

In fact, the Monarchy was a system of government created by God. Throughout history, the world's leaders have had spiritual advisors for that very reason. They're entrusted with keeping order and protecting the people from harm. Any beneficent ruler has been guided by the wisdom in scripture.

Every organization requires its own policies - that's what the word "political" means.

Baha'is don't get involved in *partisan* politics - that's a whole different ball of wax. They don't run or campaign for public political office. Like all religions, they have their own system of government, including a court, and it doesn't conflict with the government of the land.

Baha'is have a third world Development Agency and an NGO office at the United Nations because they're sincerely concerned about human affairs. As volunteers, they've worked unceasingly to improve those conditions on a global basis. If not for Baha'u'llah's commands and His letters to all the leaders of the world, the UN and G8 Summits wouldn't even exist.

Zanjan: David, Jesus made waves - can't do that in a vacuum. There's almost nothing written about His childhood and adolescence because His mission hadn't begun.

Once it was launched, everyone He spoke to was a witness. Imagine the honour of being alive and in the presence of a Revelator! He made a significant impression; everyone He spoke to mentioned His name throughout the rest of their lives.

davidk1: .

So, when Jesus turned water into wine, the folks who saw him do that, told their kids and their kids told their kids and so on, generation after generation for hundreds, thousands of years. Is that what you are saying? Who were the first folks that actually wrote down that Jesus turned water into wine?

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Zanjan: The story doesn't have to travel down through every generation - it only needed to be recorded during one generation (His generation) and it was. How could you possibly think God would create such a momentous, pre-ordained event and not have anyone say anything???

davidk1: .

I get it. I do. But I'm asking a real question, who actually wrote it down the first time that Jesus turned water into wine? Did the first person who wrote it down actually see him do it?

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Zanjan: The water into wine thing - there were lots of people there but it was Mary, mother of Jesus, who'd asked Him to take care of business. Perhaps you're taking that too literally. It doesn't matter who was the first to put pen to paper - it matters who was there.

davidk1: .

I just asked a question. I've heard that it is written in the New Testament that Jesus turned water into wine. It is written. I just want to know when that was written down and who wrote it.

Zanjan: Check the author of the chapter.

davidk1: .

It's just written in the Bible with no author. The bible is an accumulation of authors over hundreds of years. Those like you that follow the bible say those that wrote the bible were touched by the hand of God. Great. I have no issue with that. However, who actually saw Jesus turns water into wine and who first wrote it down? Easy questions for followers to answer...yes?

I believe in God by the way.



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Zanjan: HPLC, there has never been a temporal king of all nations nor will there ever be. Even empires had their borders and empires are now extinct.

davidk1: .

God wrote the Bible. How did he do that?

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Zanjan: David wrote: "Those like you that follow the bible"

I don't follow the Bible, I read it from time to time. John (an apostle) is the recorder of the Wedding in Cana - all of the disciples were present. If there had been anything incorrect about the narrative, the other disciples would have countered that.

However you wish to read it, the water into wine is still a metaphor (non-believers weren't recording that) to show He was making common plain drink into something sweet and intoxicating to satisfy the thirst. "Behold, I make all things new".

In the New Testament, the only recorders are Jesus's Apostles.