Why can't Muslims Take Criticism? (Page 153)
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However, I do not have any information that God did not exist, does not exist, will not exist.
Let's start with...did religion exist 4.5 billion years ago? I think not. Religion is man-made.
Did God exist 4.6 million years ago? 12 billion years ago?
How about 12 years into the future. Will it exist then?'
I do not know. Do you? This is about God, not religion.
Zanjan: Ghost: " Why would anyone need a temple if God existed?"
The physical temple is for the people to gather under one roof, not for God. The building is the symbol of His Revelation - it's the House for His Holy Book and shrine of recognition.
The only temple God dwells in is the heart of Man.
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Zanjan: Technically, God is pre-existent. Therefore, before creation is God; during creation there is God. Both God and creation are eternal.
ghostgeek: I keep seeing these dogmatic statements being made about this unknowable God and can't figure out how people can claim to know things that are, by definition, impossible to know.
ghostgeek: But we can all rejoice that Zeus and Thor and all the other gods and goddesses could very well be "up there", above the clouds, partying while the miserable believers in God don sackcloth and ashes.
Zanjan: "can't figure out how people can claim to know things that are, by definition, impossible to know. "
Often, those things are just temporarily hidden. Only some can discover them.
Knowledge doesn't come from ourselves. Everything we know about God (and other stuff) has been mediated to us via His Revelators. THEY know. We can only take credit for what we find and make with our hands, not for the actual knowledge.
In that sense, it's all gifted. We can't comprehend God; we don't know what life is like for Him so, when He talks about Himself and what He's thinking, we reckon He's right about that.
Zanjan: Re: Zeus and Thor....... now you're just sounding resentful. You know, there are way too many who want stuff for free. That's why there's a secret password to get into that party.
Blackshoes: How do you jusify your claim it's impossible to know the living God?
Again Zanjan Your programming doesnt allow you see beyond your dogmatic doctrines at all the evidence of a glogal flood . By the way the Bible does state it was a global world wide flood .
Zanjan: "22-foot tall mountians"
Was the Bible wrong? Nope. They couldn't build huts taller than that for the chiefs.
The Bible doesn't use the word "global" or "worldwide". The word "world" can refer to a variety of things, too long to list here. Their world view was as tiny as it gets. For sure, the climate changed.
The spiritual state comes first; the physical after. The Templars used to say "As above, so below". Yet the end and beginning are one.
Leave the literalists in their ignorance. Just like it was in the days of Noah and return of the Son of Man.
The sea levels are rising at the moment (they're up by 1 cubit in the last 200 years); still, nobody is moving back from the shorelines. If they don't heed this warning, why would they heed any other?
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chronology: Seems odd to be having this discussion in the political forum. One of the problems for atheists is that they are blind to the possibility of God. It is like when some folks are warned by Park Service Rangers not to take a short cut across a frozen lake. They still take the short cut. Everything looks safe and OK but then the ice gives way beneath them and in less than a second they vanish into the freezing water. Perhaps in their last seconds of life under the ice they recall the Park Rangers warning 'whatever you do don't try crossing the frozen lake on foot' .
But their fate is sealed the moment they plunge into the shockingly freezing water. If they read blackshoes posts here they may recall his warning about what happens to people who die not knowing Jesus. In their minds eye they may see the sad looks of the Park Rangers and blackie as they are carried away to a place worse than any frozen lake. 'Abandon hope all ye that enter here' .
Blackshoes: Again you're beyond all reasonable understanding Zanjan. 22 feet above the tallest mountains.
No, the word Global isn't used. That doesn't mean it wasn't worldwide all life-ending flood. You talk about the ignorances of Literalists. OMG look into a mirror! You strain on a nat and swallow a camel.
God destroyed the world with water, That's a literal fact the Bible says so. Jesus mentioned Noah and the Flood. The geological evidence is overwhelming. The Grand Canyon, Niagara falls.
Thousands of feet of Flood layering worldwide all above sea level. It's impossible to overcome your presuppositional programming in anything you believe
I would tell you to open your mind and heart to the facts., However : the world has such a hold on you', I fear God will never clear all insanity from you spirit
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At one time in our planet earth's amazing history, the planet was completely covered in water. But that was billions of years ago.
Regarding the accuracy of the bible, this is also very questionable. It was written by people who heard from someone that someone said something to someone. The New Testiment is quoting that someone walked on water, that he healed the sick with just a touch of his hand but was not written down at the time from a person who actually saw these things happen.
Remind you of anything currently happening? And we have a transcript written by people with first hand knowledge.
Imagine if congress was to prove the bible as a legal document.
ghostgeek: What's not political about religion? It fouls up everybody's life with it's strident claims to infallibility.
ghostgeek: At one point our planet was almost completely covered with ice, yet the Bible doesn't mention this fact. Proof positive, if you need it, that the Bible wasn't written by individuals who knew what happened in the past.
At one point in time, the earth did not exist. Religion was created by man. Yet, does God not exist because the earth did not exist? We know that religion could not exist, but God?
I do not know if God did not exist before the planet or even the sun or even the universe. I have no idea how big the universe is. Imagine that the Milky Way is just one of the billions, maybe trillions of galaxies that exist. Imagine the Milky way is 100,000 light-years across.
How can anyone think that God does not exist? Maybe, perhaps God does exist.
Devil, this thread is about religion and not your hate towards the US Government or any government for that matter.