Syrian Conflict (You will not be booted unless you break Wireclub rules)

davidk14: I was booted from another thread for stating a fact. Unfortunately there are those that will not condemn radical extremist Islam like the murderer in Florida. They will try and convince you that Islamic extremism is related to other types of extremism. It is not. This extremism does not care if you are straight or gay, man, woman or child. This extremism does not even care if you are a Muslim. Yet there are those that will try to convince you of this.

Thoughts?

ghostgeek: I pity the poor Syrian people. They are the ones that suffer. I knew a Syrian once, and he was OK. Sad to think that he might be dead, or worse, because of the actions of shits, Muslim or otherwise.

davidk14: ISIS executes six people by BOILING them in TAR after Iraqi Sharia court accuses the men of being spies

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3741185/ISIS-executes-six-people-BOILING-TAR-Iraqi-Sharia-court-accuses-men-spies.html



You won't find this on Obama network...NBC< CBS<CNN< MSNBC

Yep...Sharia Law

dave3974: YOU are trying to make a point with facts and logic again dave

ghostgeek: If we forswear facts and logic, what is there but blind prejudice?

shadowline: Is the contention that the Syrian civil war is only about religion? Surely the Syrian people, or some of them, have reason to want to rid themselves of the Ba'athist dictatorship governing their country? I doubt they're aiming at a one-person-one-vote democracy with a bicameral legislature, but, whatever their concept of political justice may be, it is motivating them to try to bring down Bashar Al-Assad, who is, now hear this, not a nice man.

dave3974: IF Assad goes their fate will be much worse

ghostgeek: Clearly, not all the Syrian people are motivated to bring down Assad, otherwise he would have been swept away by now. There is a divide in Syria, and it is religious. It is the efforts of the Sunni majority, battling to unseat the Alawite Shia minority who hold power, that is at the heart of the conflict.

dave3974:


If a small army of Islamist terror fanatics makes its base in a crowded city, and will not let women and children leave, it is very hard to know what to do. For instance, the Iraqi army was faced with this problem in 2014 when it sought to recapture the city of Fallujah from Jihadists. Nouri al-Maliki, then President of Iraq and so the West’s ally, used barrel bombs to fight ISIS terrorists in Fallujah. Pro-ISIS propaganda made much of the civilian deaths, but I don’t recall the USA, or the BBC, or the moralizing choir who now emote over Aleppo and shout ‘war-crimes’, saying much. Nor do we hear at all from these moralists about Saudi Arabia’s rather savage little war now going on in Yemen (using British munitions) in which more than 2,000 civilians are said to have died. There’s a similar problem over the severe criticisms of the Syrian government made by the USA’s diplomats and their mouthpiece, the BBC.
Near-identical repression of dissent in Bahrain and Egypt (currently our allies) passes with barely a mention. Their governments aren’t called ‘regimes’. Why is this? For instance, on a recent edition of BBC Radio 4’s over-rated ‘Today’ programme, the presenter, Justin Webb, stated as a matter of fact that Russia ‘has no obvious interest’ in bringing the Syrian war to an end. How does he know? He then used that interesting phrase ‘some who think’. There are some (namely me) who think this is a BBC way of sliding an opinion into a place where it shouldn’t be. Anyway, according to Mr Webb ‘There are some who think they (the Russians) want it to go on and on and on in order to damage Europe with the flows of migrants’. No doubt there are, but who are they, and are they right, and why is Justin Webb smuggling this opinion (especially if it isn’t his) into a major news programme?
A BBC spokesperson says feebly that this is ‘news analysis’, but it looks to me like taking sides. From the start I have been shocked by the BBC’s partial coverage of this issue, and its willingness to be a conduit for war propaganda in Syria, as it was in Libya. This is important because we are being softened up for a war far more risky than that in Libya or Iraq. In Syria, western forces might actually find themselves in direct combat with Russian troops and planes. Can you begin to imagine how dangerous that could be for Europe and the world?
Please don’t be rushed into supporting such a thing, even by the BBC.

ghostgeek: The trouble is going to start when Assad tries to take back Kurdish held areas. That will pit America directly against Russia.

davidk14: .

Assad will do this during Obama's last days in office knowing the US will do nothing.

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dave3974: the us have done plenty already---hence the mess

shadowline: Yeah, the Russians have been nothing but charitable.

dave3974: so true , the Russians have given aid and liberated many villages

shadowline: Uh, you're not very good at discerning sarcasm, are you? And your sympathy with the suffering and the dying, could use a little work too.

Physicians for Human Rights, which is on the ground both as a medical service and as an observer, has reported that the Russians have taken to bombing hospitals in Aleppo twice in quick succession, to make sure they get the emergency crews as well as the patients.

And that isn't half the story of Russian depredation in Syria.

dave3974: neither are you ,
Your patronising comments indicate that you are still stuck in a cold war era of US good Russia bad.
The truth is that it will always be difficult to fight an enemy that hides among civilians. More than 62,000 civilians are believed to have fled Mosul in recent weeks as Iraqi forces prepare for a final assault to retake the city from the Islamic State terror group. And there are growing indications they may be among the last to safely escape and over a million will have to flee .
Despite talk by U.S. and Iraqi officials about setting up safe routes and government-controlled screening centers to handle the flow of fleeing civilians, aid groups say they are seeing few indications Iraq is serious about making adequate preparations.
Yet you chose to take a one sided view based on the propaganda of one participant

ghostgeek: Who stepped in when Romans were fighting Romans? Nobody. Who stepped in when English were fighting English? Nobody. Who stepped in when Americans were fighting Americans? Nobody. Who stepped in when Irish were fighting Irish? Nobody. So why should anyone concern themselves when Syrians fight Syrians?

shadowline: You are merely sidestepping what I said, dave. I was referring to the facts of the case which have been reliably reported. That has nothing to do with cold war fixations. Facts are facts.

Nor was I talking about refugees. All wars produce those. So far Turkey, and Jordan to the point of exhaustion, have done as well as could be expected in that department. So has the European Union (and paid for their consideration with rape parties in Cologne).

I haven't heard of Saudi Arabia doing much, for all their limitless space and their wealth unparalleled in human history.

talofauso1: its time to stop booming

talofauso1: some places in the us have old army base they have house place that are much as a small city not being used
its a place were people can rest think and start life anew

talofauso1: people have lost everything. children mothers fathers brother sisters. they need help

talofauso1: its got to stop killing the poor for what its time no one needs this to go on

talofauso1: the us goverment has a lot of land in the us if they don't want people in the citys let them with help bilud a new home on this emty land or open the old base or rhe land they took to make the base to be new free land . remember they the people are being treated like drit. why

talofauso1: i hope we can help others start life as free people its time to move on we have air craft boats people die trying to find freedom lets stop talking and help them relocate
bring food to feed them trucks to take them some were an airport a dock with a safe boat to take them .the red cross the people with grear money its ggot to be done

davidk14: .

And how many illegal immigrants is the US to allow in to the country? Unlimited?

When is enough...enough?

Perhaps you did not know that this country is in debt at the $20 trillion mark with no end in sight in the next few years [$1 Trillion a year is spent without funding].

This country also guarantees $150 trillion in future debt (unfunded liabilities) already established.

And you say let as many come illegally causing an economic tsunami like we have never seen...it would even be worse that the entire EU nations combined.

Sorry, destroying America is not what I believe is the goal here. Making America great is the goal.


Legal immigration. Get the fuck in line.

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ghostgeek: Come on David, there's a bit of land going spare in the Sonoran Desert. About 100,000 square miles as a matter of fact. Surely you Yanks can be generous and relocate some of the world's needy people there?