History is a Guilt Trip? (Page 2)

orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Controlled demolition?...all you conspiracy theorists are whacked! I was in tower 2 the night before they fell down, 17 ppl I knew were killed the next day. First of all the buildings came down they way they were designed to fall if anything happened. has anyone been up in the towers? Nobu...the guy who designed the towers had the windows be less than shoulder length, cause he was afraid of heights and feared falling out. Firemen reported explosions? How could they have done this while some of them were looting the underground shops in the concourse. How did 8 pairs of neatly folded jeans appear on a firetruck? Tower 7 fell down cause it was built over an electric substation. if the building was 300 ft by 300 ft, only about 150 ft of it was solid foundation. As for 1 Liberty Tower, it was structually damaged and had to re-built, that's right across the street from the WTC, it's still standing. After the first attempt in 1993, why did Clinton do nothing?, he prolly could have prevented it.
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lori100
lori100: Sorry for the loss of your friends. I don't know if some firemen looted....anything is possible....it still wouldn't mean the explosions didn't occur.......the owner of building 7 said the decision was made to 'pull it' meaning demolition.....and Bush was in office then, not Clinton....see my 911 thread for evidence of Bush family protecting Saudi's who are connected to 911 as well as the Bin Ladens.....the exact date of 9-11-2001 was used in movie, numerous depictions of 9 11 , planes going into the towers was also in movies many years before it happened.....it was planned for decades....
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: Clinton was in office in 1993, I know Bush was in office in 2001, cause I voted for him. The "owner" (s) was the Port Authority of NY-NJ, they didn't make a decision to pull it. Building 7 was heavily damaged and came down on it's own! You think they sent a demolition team in there to bring it down? What are you nuts?. The explosions firemen heard were from underground transformers in the PATH train tunnels, and others in the underground concourse that stretched between the 6 buildings. What movies showed planes flying into the towers on 9-11? I have never seen these? were they box office hits? i'll tell you what, if you think the gov't is really out to get us, I hope you are one of those doomsday preppers, cause if you're not you're gonna be really screwed.
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The13th
The13th: hey moon don't go all hype up ....we all know what happen ....but we should allow lori to nuture her own little fun of being one of those that "trtuely truely know what truely happen" ...
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lori100
lori100: Millions of people know what happened on 911....they have sense not to believe the propaganda and research it for themselves.....on my 911 thread (off topic) is evidence of the date 911 in movies....look at it.......------------------
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Yes 9/11 was planned just like Pearl Harbor by FDR and the burning down of the white house during the war of 1812 by James Madison. Actually, going further back the Boston Massacre was planned by George Washington and the Spanish conquests were not actually started by the Spanish, but the explorers were invited over by the Incans, Mayans, and Aztecs to perform an "inside job" of capturing tribal leaders, spreading smallpox, and showing off their new weapons to the natives by shooting a few hundred.

Also, the little joke of history is that the Jews love being persecuted and welcomed the Egyptians to enslave them three thousand years ago. They love the feeling of leather on their backs and actually wrote letters and gave speeches to help initiate the Inquisition with Isabella d'Aragorn and Hitler is wrongly blamed for the Holocaust when the most beloved Jewish prophecy is that every Jew must be gassed to reach Heaven, clearly an inside job - no fault of the Nazis.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

aka C,

You are so full of crap.

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The13th
The13th: Hitler, ever the sensitive man, wiped nights after nights on the plight of those I'll fated Jews.
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The13th
The13th: And my fuhrer, how I wipe for your delicated soul.
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lori100
lori100: CIA created Al Qeada------real history for you to realize.....--------------
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DawnGurl
DawnGurl: The CIA and Brezninski never denied these actions and Brezninski has openly written about it in his last few books, which Ive read. There is nothing being hidden; the "real history" is in plain sight.
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lori100
lori100: "The falsification of history has done more to impede human
development than any one thing known to mankind"
- Rousseau 1712-1778
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DawnGurl
DawnGurl: Read Brezninski's books before you make claims that this was falsified. Citing a quote doesn't prove your point.
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lori100
lori100: More about building 7.......BBC reported it had collapsed 23 minutes before it actually did....see it in the background....reporter is reading prepared script....-------------
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Maybe the BBC reporter just made a mistake reporting the incident. Ever think about that?
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lori100
lori100: Not likely....too much other evidence 911 was staged, like this....--------------------consciouslife---------------------CNN Reporter: “There is NO Evidence of a Plane Having Crashed Anywhere Near the Pentagon”

Jamie Mcintyre, CNN’s senior Pentagon correspondent at the time, was at the Pentagon shortly after it was hit. Here’s what he reported:

“From my close-up inspection, there is no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon… The only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you could pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, a fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse. Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed, that didn’t happen immediately, it wasn’t until almost about forty-five minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed.”

Watch Mcintyre’s CNN report:





USAF Witness: There was “a strange lack of visible debris…moments after impact”

In case you are thinking that Mcintyre arrived on the scene after the massive amount of Boeing 757 debris had been removed, Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (retired) wrote that there was a lack of debris moments after impact. Kwiatkowski, who was an Air Force Lieutenant Colonel employed at the Pentagon on 9/11, was a contributor to a book titled 9/11 and American Empire Intellectuals Speak Out, in which she wrote that there was “a strange lack of visible debris on the Pentagon lawn, where I stood only moments after the impact. . . . I saw . . . no airplane metal or cargo debris.” [27]
---------------You Can’t Fit a Boeing 757 into Hole that is Only 16 Feet Wide
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lori100
lori100: ^^^^ video of the CNN report--------------------
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Well I'm sure there's a better explanation as to why there was no debris, but since I've debunked 90% of your outrageous claims I'm just going to assume you're wrong without having to waste my time finding plane debris for the pentagon accident.
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lori100
lori100: Try debunking this.....------------calls were also staged....-----consciouslife----The FBI has confirmed that the calls that Ted Olson allegedly received from his wife, Barbara Olson, from the hijacked Flight 77 were a fabrication. The alleged call from Barbara Olson was the only source of information that mentions terrorists with box cutters. Late on 9/11, Olson reported to CNN that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from AA Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.” [37]

Ted Olson’s report was critical because it provided the only evidence that AA Flight 77 was still airborne after it had disappeared from FAA radar shortly before 9:00 am.

Barbara Olson was a well-known commentator on CNN. The reports of her death in a plane that was hijacked by Arab Muslims and subsequently crashed into the Pentagon were a key factor in gaining support for Bush’s “war on terror.”

Ted Olson’s story was shown to be a lie in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged 20th hijacker. In the FBI report on phone call from American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an “unconnected call,” lasting “0 seconds.” Therefore, according to the FBI, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife from either a cell phone or a phone onboard the plane. [38]-------------
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lori100
lori100: Ted Olson was the United States Solicitor General during 911...lead govt attorney lying...playing his role......his wife played her role as CNN reporter.....
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orangemoon8
orangemoon8: You guys must think the USA is really against everyone. .....tell me, how's Mars this time of year? Cause that's prolly where you been hiding out. It was 13 yrs ago, but the USA is still around........like it has been for the last 237 yrs.
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lori100
lori100: Most people are not aware of what kind of evil is in the govt.....including mind control abuses through torture,----directed by former CIA director Bush sr. ...... and this....------------------The Best Enemies Money Can Buy------

From Hitler To Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden - Insider Connections and the Bush Family's Partnership with Killers of Americans

Brown Brothers, Harriman - BNL- and the Carlyle Group
By Michael C. Ruppert---------------------------------George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was the Managing Director of the investment bank Brown Brothers, Harriman from the 1920s through the 1940s. It was Brown Brothers, in conjunction with Averell Harriman, the Rockefeller family, Standard Oil, the DuPonts, the Morgans and the Fords who served as the principal funding arm in helping to finance Adolph Hitler's rise to power starting in 1923. This included direct funding for the SS and SA channeled through a variety of German firms. Prescott Bush, through associations with the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line, Nazi banker Fritz Thyssen (pronounced Tee-sen), Standard Oil of Germany, The German Steel Trust (founded by Dillon Read founder, Clarence Dillon), and I.G. Farben, used the Union Bank Corporation to funnel vast quantities of money to the Nazis and to manage their American interests. The profits from those investments came back to Bush allies on Wall Street. Thyssen is universally regarded as having been Hitler's private banker and ultimate owner of the Union Bank Corporation.

Early support for Hitler came from Prescott Bush through the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line -- also funded by Brown Bothers -- that funneled large sums of money and weapons to Hitler's storm troopers in the 1920s.

According to Tarpley and Chaitkin, "In May 1933, just after the Hitler regime was consolidated, an agreement was reached in Berlin for the coordination of all Nazi commerce with the U.S.A. The Harriman International Company was to head a syndicate of 150 firms and individuals, to conduct all exports from Hitler Germany to the United States."

Furthermore, a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board
------------------------------In 1942, "Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares"

"all of which shares are held for the benefit of members of the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals of a designated enemy country."

"On October 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation."

"Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father in law George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942" These seizures of Bush businesses were reported in a number of American papers including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.

Prescott Bush went on to become an influential Republican Senator from Connecticut who went on to be a regular golfing partner of President Dwight Eisenhower. His attorneys were the lawyers John Foster and Allen Dulles, the later became the CIA Director under Eisenhower.

Saddam Hussein----------------------After becoming President in January 1989, Prescott Bush's son, George Herbert Walker Bush - father of our current President - authorized a series of programs that not only armed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein but also provided him with technology that assisted in his development of chemical weapons like Sarin gas, and biological weapons, which he still possesses. Apologists for Bush (the elder) say that, after the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s left the region unstable, he was just trying to establish a new balance of power. Not so. Bush directives and policies, including relationships with the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), and the Banca Nacional del Lavoro (BNL) were directly and deliberately responsible for creating the army the U.S. fought in 1991.

A story by Russ W. Baker, in the March/April issue the Colombia Journalism Review (CJR), provided the most compelling overview of Iraqgate that I have seen.

"ABC News Nightline opened last June 9 with words to make the heart stop 'It is becoming increasingly clear,' said a grave Ted Koppel, "that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the aggressive power that the United States ultimately had to destroy"
--------------------------"In fact, we now know that in February 1990, then Attorney General Dick Thornburgh [appointed by George H.W. Bush] blocked U.S. investigators from traveling to Rome and Istanbul to pursue the case

"As New York Times columnist William Safire argued last December 7, Iraqgate is uniquely horrendous: a scandal about the Systematic abuse of power by misguided leaders of three democratic nations [The U.S., Britain, and Italy] to secretly finance the arms buildup of a dictator."
---------------------------The L.A. Times, on Feb 23, 1992, dug deep enough to find secret National Security Decision Directives by the Bush Administration in 1989 ordering closer ties with Baghdad and paving the way for $1 billion in new aid. The Times' series, co-authored with Waas, emphasized that, "buried deep in a 1991 Washington Press piece - that Secretary of State James Baker, after meeting with Iraqi foreign minister Tariq Aziz in October 1989, intervened personally to support U.S. government loans guarantees to Iraq."------------------------------------The Carlyle Group, the Bushes and bin Laden

The warnings about the Carlyle Group, the nation's 11th largest defense contractor, and the Bushes came long before the World Trade Center attacks. The Carlyle Group is a closely held corporation, exempt, for that reason, from reporting its affairs to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Little is known of what it actually does except that it buys and sells defense contractors. As of October 4, 2001, it has removed its corporate web site from the World Wide Web making further investigation through that channel impossible. Its Directors include Frank Carlucci, former Reagan Secretary of Defense; James Baker, former Bush Secretary of State; and Richard Darman, a former White House aide to Ronald Reagan and Republican Party operative.

On March 3, 2001, just weeks after George W Bush's inauguration, the conservative Washington lobbying group Judicial Watch issued a press release. It said:

"(Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, called on former President George Herbert Walker Bush to resign immediately from the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm, while his son President George W. Bush is in office. Today's New York Times reported that the elder Bush is an "ambassador" for the $12 billion private investment firm and last year traveled to the Middle East on its behalf. The former president also helped the firm in South Korea.
-----------------------------Since the WTC attacks the Wall Street Journal has reported (Sept. 28, 2001) that, "George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm." The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice in the last three years - 1998 and 2000 -- as a representative of Carlyle, seeking to expand business dealings with one of the wealthiest Saudi families, which some experts argue, has never fully severed its ties with black sheep Osama in spite of current reports in a mainstream press that is afraid of offending the current administration.

The Nation, on March 27, 2000 - in a story co-authored by David Corn and Paul Lashmar - wrote, "In January former President George Bush and former British Prime Minister John Major paid a social call on Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah" This story confirms at least one meeting between the elder Bush and Saudi leaders, including the bin Ladens. That the bin Ladens attended this meeting was confirmed in a subsequent September 27, 2001 Wall Street Journal (WSJ) story. The January 2000 meeting with the bin Ladens was also later confirmed by Bush (the elder's) Chief of Staff Jean Becker, only after the WSJ presented her with a thank you note sent by Bush to the bin Ladens after that meeting.

James Baker visited the bin Ladens in 1998 and 1999 with Carlyle CEO Frank Carlucci.
--------------------------Our current President, George W. Bush has also had -- at minimum -- indirect dealings with Carlyle and the bin Ladens. In 1976 his firm Arbusto Energy was funded with $50,000 from Texas investment banker James R. Bath who was also the U.S. investment counselor for the bin Laden family. In his watershed 1992 book, "The Mafia, The CIA and George Bush," award winning Texas investigative journalist Pete Brewton dug deeply into Bath's background, revealing connections with the CIA and major fraudulent activities connected with the Savings & Loan scandal that took $500 billion out of the pockets of American taxpayers. A long-time friend of George W. Bush, Bath was connected to a number of covert financing operations in the Iran-Contra scandal, which also linked to bin Laden friend Adnan Khashoggi.--------------------------------And, according to a 2000 story from Harper's Magazine, in 1990 our current President, through a position as a corporate director of Caterair, owned by the Carlyle Group - at a time when the bin Laden's were invested in Carlyle - had additional connections to the bin Laden family. In addition, on March 1, 1995, when George W. Bush was Texas governor and a senior Trustee of the university, the University of Texas Endowment voted to place $10 million in investments with the Carlyle Group. As to how much of that money went to the bin Ladens we can only guess. But we do know that there is a long tradition in the Bush family of giving money to those who kill Americans.------------------------------------(when 911 happened, the Bushes helped the Bin Laden family get safely out of the U. S. and told investigators to 'back off' the Bin Laden family.......this is your govt financing and protecting 'enemies' of the U.S.....)
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lori100
lori100: No plane crashed in Pennsylvania either....another hoax....------------Investigators find no debris from Flight 93 larger than a phone book and debris is spread over many miles

“The debris here is spread over a 3 to 4 mile radius which has now been completely sealed off, and is being treated according to the FBI as a crime scene. This is one of those cases where the pictures really do tell the story . . . one of the most horrifying aspects of this is how little debris is visible . . . that’s all you see, just a large crater in the ground, and just tiny, tiny bits of debris . . . the investigators out there, and there are hundreds of them, have found nothing larger than a phone book.” – NBC reporter-----------------------------no plane parts, luggage, no bodies, no engines, no seats ....no evidence of a plane....
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morning_glorie
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lori100
lori100: more history......-------------From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford--------------According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

The idea may actually have originated with President Eisenhower in the last days of his administration. With the Cold War hotter than ever and the recent U-2 scandal fresh in the public's memory, the old general wanted to go out with a win.
-------------------------As the Kennedy brothers appeared to suddenly "go soft" on Castro, Lemnitzer could see his opportunity to invade Cuba quickly slipping away. The attempts to provoke the Cuban public to revolt seemed dead and Castro, unfortunately, appeared to have no inclination to launch any attacks against Americans or their property Lemnitzer and the other Chiefs knew there was only one option left that would ensure their war. They would have to trick the American public and world opinion into hating Cuba so much that they would not only go along, but would insist that he and his generals launch their war against Castro. "World opinion, and the United Nations forum," said a secret JCS document, "should be favorably affected by developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere."

Operation Northwoods called for a war in which many patriotic Americans and innocent Cubans would die senseless deaths, all to satisfy the egos of twisted generals back in Washington, safe in their taxpayer financed homes and limousines.

One idea seriously considered involved the launch of John Glenn, the first American to orbit the earth. On February 20,1962, Glenn was to lift off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, on his historic journey. The flight was to carry the banner of America's virtues of truth, freedom, and democracy into orbit high over the planet. But Lemnitzer and his Chiefs had a different idea. They proposed to Lansdale that, should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof that . . . the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic.]"

This would be accomplished, Lemnitzer continued, "by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans." Thus, as NASA prepared to send the first American into space, the Joint Chiefs of Staff were preparing to use John Glenn's possible death as a pretext to launch a war.

Glenn lifted into history without mishap, leaving Lemnitzer and the Chiefs to begin devising new plots which they suggested be carried out "within the time frame of the next few months."

Among the actions recommended was "a series of well coordinated incidents to take place in and around" the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. This included dressing "friendly" Cubans in Cuban military uniforms and then have them "start riots near the main gate of the base. Others would pretend to be saboteurs inside the base. Ammunition would be blown up, fires started, aircraft sabotaged, mortars fired at the base with damage to installations."

The suggested operations grew progressively more outrageous. Another called for an action similar to the infamous incident in February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba. Incited by the deadly blast, more than one million men volunteered for duty. Lemnitzer and his generals came up with a similar plan. "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," they proposed; "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

There seemed no limit to their fanaticism: "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," they wrote. "The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States.

We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). . . . We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized."

Bombings were proposed, false arrests, hijackings:

*"Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government."
---------------------------Among the most elaborate schemes was to "create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight."

Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs worked out a complex deception:

An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CJA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.

From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.

Finally, there was a plan to "make it appear that Communist Cuban MiGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack." It was a particularly believable operation given the decade of shoot downs that had just taken place.

In the final sentence of his letter to Secretary McNamara recommending the operations, Lemnitzer made a grab for even more power asking that the Joint Chiefs be placed in charge of carrying out Operation Northwoods and the invasion. "It is recommended," he wrote, "that this responsibility for both overt and covert military operations be assigned to the Joint Chiefs of Staff."

At 2:30 on the afternoon of Tuesday, March 13, 1962, Lemnitzer went over last-minute details of Operation Northwoods with his covert action chief, Brigadier General William H. Craig, and signed the document. He then went to a "special meeting" in McNamara's office. An hour later he met with Kennedy's military representative, General Maxwell Taylor. What happened during those meetings is unknown. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer that there was virtually no possibility that the U.S. would ever use overt military force in Cuba.
------------------------In May 1963, Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul H. Nitze sent a message to the White House proposing "a possible scenario whereby an attack on a United States reconnaissance aircraft could be exploited toward the end of effecting the removal of the Castro regime." In the event Cuba attacked a U-2, the plan proposed sending in additional American pilots, this time on dangerous, unnecessary low-level reconnaissance missions with the expectation that they would also be shot down, thus provoking a war "[T]he U.S. could undertake various measures designed to stimulate the Cubans to provoke a new incident," said the plan. Nitze, however, did not volunteer to be one of the pilots.

One idea involved sending fighters across the island on "harassing reconnaissance" and "show-off" missions "flaunting our freedom of action, hoping to stir the Cuban military to action." "Thus," said the plan, "depending above all on whether the Cubans were or could be made to be trigger-happy, the development of the initial downing of a reconnaissance plane could lead at best to the elimination of Castro, perhaps to the removal of Soviet troops and the installation of ground inspection in Cuba, or at the least to our demonstration of firmness on reconnaissance." About a month later, a low-level flight was made across Cuba, but unfortunately for the Pentagon, instead of bullets it produced only a protest.
---------------------------------ummm......911....anyone....?
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