Ex-cop murders theatregoer....isn't it nice that we let people carry guns around?

davesdatahut
davesdatahut: This is so horrifying, that it defies description - an ex-cop murders a fellow theatregoer in an argument over texting and popcorn throwing. It makes me thankful in more ways than I can count that I live in a state that does not allow people to carry concealed weapons.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/chad-oulson-movie-text_n_4594450.html

Moderate gun owners will probably be properly horrified as well. Of course, the gun lobby will not give two shits about this. Just chalk it up to 'shit happens.' To them, it is more important to let people walk around with guns.
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duncan124
duncan124:
Redundancy can happen to any one. Perhaps if you planed more you would n't feel so scared.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Sorry. There are 310,000,000 citizens in the US and when the government tells us that we can no longer have guns....it just aint gonna happen. No how...no way...end of conversation.

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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: I am aware it will not happen. And for most people it does not need to happen. But we sure as hell need stricter rules for letting people have them. Beginning of conversation. Otherwise, you just write this kind of stuff off as 'shit happens.'
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Shit happens. There are laws against driving under the influence of alcohol and we all know how many tens of thousands die each year because there are those that do not follow the law.

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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Which is why we have regulations for driving and who is eligible to have a driving license. The same should be the case with guns. You should have to reapply and have a fresh background check every few years to retain your gun permit. That would help reduce some of the guns in the hands of wacks and nutjubs. This is a very reasonable option. Unless of course the gun owners simply do not care when stuff like this happens.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

There are way more regulations on driving and auto ownership than gun ownership and way more people die or are injured due to DWI than guns discharging inappropriately by law abiding citizens. Remember, there are more guns owned by citizens than the police and military combined. On the other side of the coin, just think about it. Everyday a car wipes out a dozen or so people because the owner steps on the gas instead of the brake. You don't here for the call of getting rid of cars or more driving regulations.

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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: The car argument is the oldest red herring in the book used to fend off any and all attempts to regulate guns at all. Cars are an every day item used by virtually every citizen on every road. Of course more people will be killed by them. Just as more people are killed by disease than guns. So what? One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other, aside from noting that we regulate car use because it is potentially dangerous, just as we need to regulate gun use.
Guns are made for the purpose of killing or maiming. How anyone can argue against greater controls to try - TRY - to keep them away from nuts is unfathomable. It shows remarkable disregard for human safety.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

There are more cars owned and operated by alcoholics than guns owned by crazies. Pleez.

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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Ok I agree. But so what? What does that have to do with trying to keep guns out of the hands of unstable people?
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Perhaps we should try to keep cars out of the hands of alcoholics since tens of thousands more die by the car than by the gun. Hell....more kids die in swimming pools than die by guns. Maybe we should get rid of swimming pools too.

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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: I am all for keeping cars from alcoholics. Indeed, we have laws that take away driving rights for people convicted of drunk driving. Deaths in swimming pools are not crimes, most of the time, so that's another red herring.
The gun lobby continues to offer up no single good reason - not an ounce of a shred of a reason - why we should not have better controls over nuts having guns. When people are killed in incidents like the one in Florida, the gun lobby's answer is quite clear, by their inaction: we do not give a shit.
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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: WTF ever happened to the good old fashion clean fist fight or baseball bat beating?
Nowadays maybe just to many cowards hiding out with a gun in their back pockets.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Yah know Captain Canada....

I was having that exact debate at work. What ever happened to the good old one on one school yard fist fight. I came home a few times bruised. But I learned how to win. Knives and uzi's....JUST KIDDING. I learned I had to be educated in hand to hand combat so I was enrolled into....Judo. Never lost a fight after that. Actually, after my first win....that was it. I was never picked on again. Ever. I learned that the best fight....is the one you never get into.

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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: On that, I think we can all agree.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

I just read this...pretty messed up...

Study: Nearly half of black men, 38 percent of white men arrested at least once in US by 23
Published January 20, 2014
Associated Press

NEW YORK – Nearly half of black men and 40 percent of white men are arrested at least once on non-traffic-related crimes by the time they turn 23. That's according to a new study.


The estimates published this month by criminologists at the University of South Carolina and the University at Albany didn't rely on arrest records but on an annual federal survey of 7,000 young people who answered questions from 1997 to 2008.


The authors found that by age 18, 30 percent of black men, 26 percent of Hispanic men and 22 percent of white men have been arrested.


By 23, those numbers climb to 49 percent for black men, 44 percent for Hispanic men and 38 percent for white men.

AP

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Not good.

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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: My opinion on those figures you mention Mr David is these lads have no discipline, fatherless, respect for themselves and bad associates ( Gangs,crews, hommies and whatever they call each other)
Incarceration is a huge business in the developed nations specially in the USA.
Again this is my opinion.if a youth is charged (sometimes for minor things)and convicted he will have a criminal record,lets just say his diploma upon his release from the university of criminology (JAIL)
Out in society he will look for employment,which will be extremely hard due to his recent rumble with the law and his credentials.Rejected a place in the workforce,he will seek his friends/acquaintances from jail oh just call them fraternity brothers.
All these young men in the same boat in high choppy seas,disaster is just a blink away.together they will plunder from society and sometimes even kill.
Of courses they will be re-arrest,convicted and back to jail again.
Majority of professional sports players ( college players are the best for these sayings)from the NBA,NFL when being credit for their achievements they always thank the almighty Lord,their mommies,sometimes the teammates but never their FATHERS
Is it a quota from governments to incarcerated young men or is it that that these kids have no fucking fathers(maybe they are in jail themselves)
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: For the latest in the lunacy generated when we don't try our very best to keep guns away from unstable people, see the shooting yesterday in the mall in Maryland. It just goes on and on and on. And the gun lobby, with blood on its hands, displays ZERO interest in keeping weapons out of the hands of crazies, or reducing concealed-carry permissions. Zero. None. Nada. Zilch. They show absolutely no concern about this.
To recap, in the past week or so, a young father is murdered in a theater following a dispute over phone texting. And yesterday, two young people are murdered in a store and the gunman then kills himself. Ho hum....what's on tv today?
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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: But why would the gun lobby groups show any interest in stopping the flow of guns in your country?
Lobby groups are payed/sponsored by business ( in this case Gun manufacturers) and lobbyists hide and argue that is the RIGHT and the LAW for Americans to arm themselves in the name of PROTECTION
If all these shootings and killings upset and angers so many Americans,why not just ask your Representatives in Governments to ban the sales for guns within your country?
Oh laws and amendments in your constitution can be made and/or changed regardless how old these laws are.
If there is a WILL there is a WAY
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: You are correct Captain.
Of course, there is no way to just ban handgun use. There are an estimated 100 million guns or more out there in society in the US, so that horse is outta the barn and ain't comin back. And I believe people should have a right to protect their homes and businesses. But within reason. And that reason is to require people to submit to regular background checks to determine if they are stable or unstable. If they are unstable, no gun. This is not an unreasonable compromise, unless you are earning tons of money off of gun sales OR you are so paranoid about the big bad ooga-booga government that NO regulations will ever be ok with you.
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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: You believe people should have a right to protect their homes and businesses??. so do I and a vast majority of people,but We arm ourselves with ALARM SYSTEMS to protect our properties and families,So therefore I don't need a fucking gun for that.We PAY taxes for the POLICE to apprehend criminals,so i don't have to fucking shoot anyone in the name of PROTECTION.
Sir you say that people should submit regular background checks to determine if they are stable or unstable to purchase/own/carry a weapon.
How many countless times has justice released criminals with convictions of violent acts on good behavior and so called DEEMED fit to be re-establish back in to society,Only to re-offend days later
Just ban the complete sales of guns regardless how stable or unstable the citizen is.
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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: A retired police captain did the shooting in the movie theater.
I am I correct ?????
How unstable can a retired POLICE CAPTAIN be ?????
If this former police man is unstable I can only imagine the rest of the American public
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Apparently, as unstable as a lotta people running around with guns in their pockets feeling manly.
And yes....he is an ex police captain, soon to be a prison inmate, most likely.
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Wild__
Wild__: I'm lucky to live in California where only the gang members carry concealed guns.
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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: @ Mr Wildman
Love it.
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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: Are you Unstable Mr Davesdatahut ???
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