Prostitution Legalized in Canada

Metaverseguy: Supreme court of Canada voted unanimously to overturn prostitution laws 9-0 the other day. They will take effect in approx. one year. Prostitution is legal in most countries, except a lot of developed countries for "health reasons" yet there are ways to get around the law using euphemisms. I was reading up on the law here in this state (of the USA) the other day and it wasn't until 1986 that it was criminalized, which is relatively recently. Wireclub is kind of a cannuck web site so I thought it would be a good place to bring it up. I'm surprised that the entire country legalized it instead of one or two provinces, but perhaps it is more acceptable there.

According to the web site I was reading 75% of people in the late 19th century had some type of STD. Of course this was before antibiotics were commonly used to cure bacterial infections. I think the population per hectacre is pretty low compared to a lot of developed countries, despite their enormous territory. The climate is also pretty cold so hopefully they will be doing this indoors.

chronology: The real hazard of visiting Prostitutes is not 'STD's it is Blackmail. If you think you are unlikely to be videod and photographed when visiting a Prostitute you are not living in the real world. At the moment Blackmail is illegal but there are efforts being made to make Blackmail legal, just like there are efforts being made to make Prostitution Legal.

I know a few people who have visited Brothels knowing they are being videod in those places. As one Guy said to me; ; 'I know they have cameras in there, but that just adds to my enjoyment, the thought of all those people watching me have sex really turns me on'. Fair enough, that is his point of view, but goodness knows what a married mans wife would say if she heard there were videos of him visiting hookers regularly.

LiptonCambell: are....are you serious, chron?

So, the only argument you can find for opposing prostitution is if blackmail is legalized and you are being blackmailed for visiting a brothel?

chronology: Lipton. No, there are many arguments against Prostitution. But the Blackmail side of Prostitution is seldom mentioned. Many young men do not seem to realise visiting such places and being videod and photographed in such activities is going to ruin their future hopes of employment in many Public Jobs and even marriage prospects.

Personally I have no opinion about legalising Prostitution, but people should be aware of the risks involved. I was talking to a Guy one time who told me of how images of what he was doing in a Brothel in another country got back to his friends at home before he returned from his visit. If they are comfortable with such circumstances, fine, it is none of my business.

LiptonCambell: Lol it just seems like a weird criticism towards prostitution...."what of prostitution and blackmail were legalized at the same time??!"....it's totally irrelevant to the discussion, and kinda silly...

I mean- what if prostitution and smoking crack was legalized? Or Prostitution or murder? What if prostitution or slavery was legalized together? Or Prostitution and arson?

I agree, there's bound to be people pushing for the removal of such laws....but it's pretty damned silly to reject prostitution incase an illegal act were to become legal sometime in the next 150 years....You can't have your whores, because someday, someone might blackmail you, and it might be legal!


Regardless, you know what would resolve that issue entirely? If society stopped having a stick up it's ass about the whole act. I agree that adultery is no laughing matter. but for the rest of the country? Who gives a shit. If someone I knew who went into a brothel, I wouldn't care....

It's kinda like morphine.....if someone used it when they needed it, I don't think anyone should care....if someone used it just to get off, or because of an addiction, that's awful- but banning morphine wouldn't be the answer. It'd be stricter controls on the substance. And the same is true with prostitution.

Metaverseguy: There's a huge difference between prostitution and those other crimes. Two consenting adults agree to a service. In arson, blackmail, and slavery there is clearly one party taking advantage of the other person. There's no correlation at all. It's apples and oranges.

chronology: Lipton. You are either acting dumb, or maybe you are dumb, from what I remember of exchanging Posts with you in the past I rather think I know which. Cplus has created a Thread about Prostitution, and it being legalised. One of the many crimes associated with Prostitution is Blackmail, so Blackmail is relevant to the discussion. It may be worth remembering that other people are often hurt by Blackmail resulting from exposure to visiting Prostitutes. And who is talking about 'whores'? I said 'graphic videos' I have no idea what some men look like during and just before the act of copulation, and quite frankly would rather not consider the thought, but I am certain they would look quite ridiculous when shown in a HD video. For the rest of their lives they would be seen in such a state of arousal to make even a night shift slaughterhouse worker surprised at such a site.

A newspaper some years ago reported a story of a chap who was blackmailing visitors to a brothel he was running. He would video the customers, then have them followed home to where they lived and decide if they were worth Blackmailing. He commented on one young man being a Student; 'he has no money now, but he may have in a few years'. So even if Prostitution were legalised, the shockingly lewd video images would still be around years later, ready to threaten the victim with and demand cash for.

The whole jolly business sounds a damn dirty enterprise to me and should kept illegal or in the deserts of Nevada.

Metaverseguy: Perhaps if they made it legal they might be able to get rid of all that other stuff like blackmail and make it a safer environment. I've read articles where customers were getting beaten and even murdered by hookers and their boyfriend or pimp. Of course, hookers getting beaten by their pimps is common as well. Perhaps this would make it safer, less disease filled, rather than run by shady criminals who don't mind committing other crimes along with this one. I don't think those business practices are going on in Nevada.

chronology: Cplus, true enough. Aeleen Woropus (or whatever her name was) reaped havoc down in Florida. She murdered at least 7 men, but Law Enforcement Officers are certain there were more victims not found. Aeleen seemed to have just resorted to bushwhacking men out of expediency, she needed some cash for booze, so she went out and stood next to an abandoned automobile on a highway and flagged down cars saying she had broken down and needed a ride, she then killed the men, robbed every penny they had and dumped their bodies in the woods, (what a b@tch). Aeleen had been a prostitute from the age of 11 and said she had had sex with over 100.000 men (that figure seems unlikely). She was drunk practically every day of her life from the age of 16. Some folks say Aeleen was more or less trapped in a maze of bad luck when she was born, for every door that led to a normal life, there were 50 that led to trouble. Another Lawyer in Florida thought Aeleen was 'more animal than human, best thing they could have done with her is put her down'. Montell Williams said he 'had the displeasure of interviewing Aeleen one time, looking into her eyes was like looking into pure evil'.

You are right about Nevada, am sure the Brothels there follow the Law and don't engage in any such wrong doing. But a Guy who uses the Brothels out of town in the Desert says it can be unsafe to just wander off after enjoying sex in the clubs. You can easily be robbed by people hanging around looking for a victim.

LiptonCambell: >>>But a Guy who uses the Brothels out of town in the Desert says it can be unsafe to just wander off after enjoying sex in the clubs. You can easily be robbed by people hanging around looking for a victim.

Sounds like legalizing it makes alot of sense then...

Metaverseguy: Anyone can get robbed anywhere in a bad area. That's why I don't like using the ATM late at night. I'm sure if someone went at 2pm there would probably be no trouble, but they most likely go at 1AM after winning a bunch of money from Vegas super drunk (vulnerable) and possibly alone (more vulnerable) so they are a good target for thieves.

chronology: Lipton. Those places are Legal in Nevada, the State of Nevada licenses them.

Cplus. Toughest places I've heard of in North America are said to be the Mining Towns in Canada. A Trucker was saying he would never work in one of them again. 'When you come out of a Bar some Guy will bump into you just to start a fight and rob you'. I remember commenting about how very unfriendly to Gay people those Guys are up there, that is one reason Gay Navy Girls in the U.S. would help themselves by being less open about being Gay when ashore. All it would take would be for some Rough Mining Guys to make fun of the girls and a few Sailors to stand up and defend the girls, next thing you have a full blown Bar fight with bottles beer jugs and chairs flying across the Bar. Most American Sailors are just like all Sailors, they just want a few drinks and relax when ashore, but they will defend their friends from being abused. But like you say, if you are out on your own you can be robbed anywhere.

LiptonCambell: No, like, I'm saying that these places are safer BECAUSE they are legal. Legalizing them makes them safe.

So that would mean that legalizing whorehouses in Canada is a good thing, for both the consumers and the prostitutes

Captain Canada: ROFLMAO @ Chronology
Dude you said "" Toughest places I've heard of in North America are said to be the Mining Towns in Canada. A Trucker was saying he would never work in one of them again."""
hahahah really laughable.well lets see some facts here,
American tourists/Americans working abroad are most hated around the world,they are RUDE,ARROGANT,IGNORANT and somewhat believe that they are SUPERIOR than the local people.Those ingredients alone can get you in a body bag @ the local hospital freezer box.
All 4 ingredients mentioned above can get you beaten or killed anywhere in the world,EVEN YOUR OWN WATERHOLE or YOUR OWN BACKYARD
Robbery is a crime of opportunity regardless were in the world.
1) flashing cash around.
2) bragging about money,work,wealth ( Americans love doing that)
3) educate yourself with the locals.(not safe for them why is it safe for you)
4)never leave a pub alone.

And back to topic .
Yes it should be legalized and control in a specific areas within the city limits.
No dealing/negotiations outside the controlled area.

chronology: @ Captan Canada, man you certainly have 'rage problem' when it comes to folks from the States, chill out, people are people everywhere.

The observations about the Mining Towns up North in Canada were made by a Canadian. Maybe folks there are 'well mannered, charming polite well grounded folks', but that was not the impression the Canadian Guy got after spending some time there. He was talking about life up there 30 years ago.

@ Lipton. Good point, the reason some of those Guys seem to get rolled is because they are sneaking into some grimy run down district away from the Law.

Metaverseguy: One of the largest problems with prostitution in the US is that sex trafficking has been associated with it. Craigslist was forced to shut down because of the sex trafficking of minors. There is a new web site that basically is the exact same thing, but which basically caters more to the adult sex industry and other items of interest. There is a small demand for underage prostitutes and criminals are willing to work with the customers to provide them with young whores for large sums of money. Basically, there is little that a national gov't can do to prevent a customer from hiring these whores if the customer is willing to travel. Once outside the borders the person is outside of the jurisdiction of the court and any criminal punishment or police enforcement. However, they are pretty diligent about enforcing the crimes inside the borders and sex offenders are given sentences sometimes up to 40 years and are required to register as a sex offenders, which damages any job prospects and employment opportunities.

Someone could theoretically go down to Mexico and sleep with girls as young as 14 or 15 and be within the federal law. I think some states in Mexico allow sex with persons as young as 12. However, Mexico is a country with a large portion in poverty. While it's normal to see the opulent in developed nations fly private jets, own several yachts, and have a net worth that includes million dollar real estate a lot of Mexicans do not own vehicles, adequate housing, or skills taught to them by potentially getting into thousands of dollars of debt from a college education. Many illegally cross the borders to the US hoping for a better life, but discover that their opportunities aren't that different from Mexico. There is also a language barrier and must deal with the xenophobia that many Americans exert from the frustration of losing their job to immigrants.

Continuing with the topic of prostitution. Yes, I think that hookers experience quite a bit of misogyny from their customers. Yet, not being without character flaws themselves typically do not view their clients as more than a means of earning lots of untaxed money quickly. They invest in breast enlargement, work out to stay in shape, sometimes see therapists, and try and maintain a beautiful figure, face, and hair style.

Although, for most women it's not a career, but rather an exciting sojourn into the fast life, some do work for more than a few months or potentially several years and try to retire quickly. While marijuana, gay marriage, and polygamy are within the news this topic is so taboo that mainstream media frequently tries to avoid the issue. I can't think of anywhere in the US that anyone would dare try to get this on the ballot. It's more of an issue that people talk about behind closed doors and despite a sexual revolution in the 1960's people are still suffering from damaged careers by going into pornography or releasing sex tapes.

Since birth control, abortion, and sex education are hot topics that politicians can base their entire careers on I don't think it's likely that anytime soon this will be permitted. Marriage is the imaginary glue that holds a nuclear family together. Someone that visits prostitutes is unfaithful and commits sexual immorality. While many people that are vocal about their conservative views of family have mistresses, concubines, booty calls, or extramarital affairs and are therefore hypocrites the idea of monogamy - which is two partners who are faithful to each other "til death do [us] part" (i.e. for life) can or cannot coexist with purely sexual relationships. The question of should prostitution be legalized is really a question of can people live in a society that allows pluralistic marital views. We've already seen that separate religious views (which have different ideas of marriage) creates endless turmoil and conflict.

Captain Canada: @ Chronology Yes I do have ""rage problems with Americans""when they stick their noses in other peoples affairs,and they to do that in everything and everywhere like this Cplus Yankee.Title of post is""Prostitution Legalized in Canada ""
Than dude starts blabbing about the USA
WTF you know about CANADA Cplus

Metaverseguy: I know that Alberta is full of red necks and Mormons and that it's pretty cold up there. Anything else I should know?

LiptonCambell: Calgary and Edmonton- you may only pick one.

Captain Canada: Alberta is full of oil,lots of oil that is consumed by the USA.
Mr Cplus Its cold ""up there"" just like any other city closer to your norther borders lets say Buffalo
Mr.Lipton why not just a bit further north of Edmonton say Grand Prairie,beautiful country out there.

electrician25hr: Why not legalize prostitution, there is always gonna be a woman willing to get layed for money and there will always be guys willing to pay to lay a chick. They will never stop it....

LiptonCambell: moreover, if you make it illegal, you only invite the criminal element, since a woman who was raped when she sold her body for sex can't go to the cops- but she can go to her pimp.

legalizing prostitution makes it safer for the woman, since her safety is as protected as anyones- safer for the man, since, being a business, they have to uphold health regulations and regular checkups- and ensures that violent thugs and criminals aren't getting all of the money.

Metaverseguy: Legalizing it will mean that politicians will have to actually do something, forbidden rule #1. #2 USA is full of right-wing Christian fanatics who will protest legalizing it and refuse to vote for any candidate who supports it. #3 it will demand that more tax money be allocated to police to handle this issue, when it could be going elsewhere like education, unemployment, food stamps, a tank for the US army, etc.

LiptonCambell: First off, the issue is a Canadian one, and it didn't matter if politicians opposed it or not- they currently DO oppose it, but the Supreme Court made a ruling on it, and determined it was a legal right of all Canadians.

And secondly- why would decriminalizing it cost more police funds than criminalizing it? Granted, there will be an increase of sexual assault charges, but these assault charges would have happened if it was legal or not- the only difference is, prostitutes can go to the police, and these rapists -will- be charged, and be taken off our streets.

Suggesting we should criminalize it costs way more police resources, because the police would waste time and resources on sting operations, would patrol areas of town looking for make arrests, on paperwork and jailcells and trials against these women.

There is no downside to this, and that complaint that it'll cost more tax payers dollars DOESN'T make sense.


And an issue that people have ignored in this thread, and completely destroys this visual that legal prostitution will lead to increased violence and sexual diseases- porno.

A woman gets paid for sex, it's illegal. A woman gets paid for sex, and theres a camera on in the room? That's legal.



Oh, and your comment about tanks for the military- following the Iraq war, the military is actually passing their excess tanks to the police now...

Metaverseguy: The reason it would cost taxpayer dollars is because they would have to train the law enforcement on how to now handle the new laws that are still saying the act is illegal today. Meaning all those veterans that have been in several sting operations are going to have to change whether they like it or not. Plus there will probably be civil suits against many police stations. If for instance someone spent months in jail or more and was fined 5 grand for something legal tomorrow that was illegal today they are going to want some type of financial gains like reparations as an apology.

Many cities don't want strip clubs in their town. It adds crime and lowers the atmosphere of the city. If one state or the nation makes it legal would that mean that cities have no say over whether people can practice prostitution, or could cities still forbid it? Because if a city doesn't want a strip club it probably doesn't want a brothel.

Technically, there is a loophole in prostitution. People still practice it. Web sites are devoted to escort services and local independent people (male, female, or a mixture) that advertise it. Escorting is legal, but prostitution is illegal so people just pay for the escort, and they fell in love with each other and rolled around naked for an hour in a hotel room with the money not being a payment for sex, but a "tip". Many massage parlors are notorious as brothels behind the curtains. Of course, police still do the stings (maybe when crime is low?) and arrest people who probably just confess and take the lowest charge, rather than fighting it and knowing their rights.

There was an interesting story in Rhode Island, where prostitution was legal for a decade in 2000 by a miswording in some law. Doing research they did find that rape was down. It's already legal in Nevada though.

alpossmar82: It becomes a problem of shaping a future for the youth where Colleges become picking orders for rapes . With increase prescription use of anti psychotic drugs by physicians downtown College drinking spots become easy prey for the predator.
Not to mention pole dancing classes at local Colleges, could be a possible alternative to actual sex but is often just a cover for massage type of sex work at the end of the night. The police state takes some control not to mention lower street drug toxicology, successful in some areas, more English sex tourism$$$.