Beneath the burqa -- a bruised and badly beaten teenager

davidk14
davidk14: From:

Phyllis Chesler, Ph.D is an Emerita Professor of Psychology and Women’s Studies, a Fellow at the Middle East Forum, the author of thousands of articles and of fifteen books, including "Women and Madness," and "An American Bride in Kabul." She archives her articles and may be reached through her website: www.phyllis-chesler.com.

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A reader sent me a story Monday from The New Zealand Herald about a teenage girl who was badly and repeatedly beaten at home -- and who was then forced to disguise her considerable facial injuries, including a broken nose, damaged teeth, and extensive bruising.
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davidk14
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The problem is this: Muslim-majority countries do not view daughter-beating or forcible veiling as a crime.

Many Muslim immigrants (and increasingly, converts to Islam in our time) behave as if they are living in the past or in a Muslim-majority country and they view Western customs as unacceptable and dishonorable.

We must enforce the laws of our land and make it clear, as Canada and several European countries have tried to do, that we do not believe in “cultural relativism,” that there is one law for all.

Author: Phyllis Chester, PH.D

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lori100
lori100: Beating your wife was legal and encouraged in the U.S. in the early 1900's....change is slow.......still accepted actually in some police stations....because many cops do the same...
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Burning women to death was also acceptable as was dragging people behind horses and vehicles. Stoning women because they wear makeup is still common in Muslim countries.

However, in western cultures, these hideous crimes of torture and death are not accepted. For you to say change is slow is actually accepting them as allowable and for these crimes to continue. The problem exists primarily in extremist fundamentalist Muslim countries and it would be nice for you to admit this as fact and truth instead of blaming others.

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Serabi
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Pulp
Pulp: "However, in western cultures, these hideous crimes of torture and death are not accepted."

Guatanamo Bay, 300+ drone strikes and raids under the Obama administration, the innocent killing and torture of women/children in the villages of Yemen, Libya, and Syria, and the funding + arms trades for the Israeli Occupation. This is a very SHORT, RECENT list of crimes involving both torture AND death by Western powers.

If you're going to spout racist, uneducated crap in these forums about Islam's current climate, at least show some humility.
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Comandante FiLTH
Comandante FiLTH:
This is too pathetic. An emotionally charged title for a post to incite irrational hate/fear.

Sometimes I wonder how a person can reason out these bits of nonsense in their minds to come to a conclusion that muslims are somewhat uncivilised beasts. Now I realise that there is no 'reasoning'.

Yes, you will have a some who will do this type of thing as with other religions/ groups, take for example the orthodox jews who threw faeces at the little girls and called them sluts. You have these things happening but to make a conclusion about a group as this is shitty.
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davidk14
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Muslims = 2.2 billion = 1 % = 22,000,000

Jews = 15 million = 1% = 150,000

If just one percent are uncivilized beasts, Muslims have 147 times more

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Comandante FiLTH
Comandante FiLTH:
Are you tryna attempt trolling? or Are you mentally challenged Davidk14? I mean that with all seriousness, have you been diagnosed by a professional as suffering from any mental disorders that will block your ability to reason? I am leaning that your nonsense can be explained by either a biological reason and hopefully not a natural form of stupidity.

You expect me to believe that your made up statistics that 1% of muslims are 'uncivilized beasts' holds some mathematical/statistical merit?
C'mon man.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Prove me wrong.

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Comandante FiLTH
Comandante FiLTH: Prove your made up statistic that 1% of the muslim population and 1% of the Jewish population are uncivilized beasts?

How about I save time and make you a dunce hat and let you sit in a corner to ponder over this for awhile?
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davidk14
davidk14: .

I have always stated that IF 99% of Muslims are peace loving, law abiding individuals, there is the 1% that are not. The 1% or 22,000,000 are not peace loving. And that, my friend, is a fact. Just add up all the people belonging to al quida type terrorist groups and other terrorist Muslim groups and that 22 million figure is a minimal number to say the least. A just how many are in the Muslim Brotherhood alone? 10 million? 20 million? So, get a reality check and READ and stop listening to your handlers.

Geez...

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Comandante FiLTH
Comandante FiLTH: On one hand you're stating 'if' to show that you are making a hypothetical scenario (aka made up statistic) then you want to validate your hypothetical scenario by stating 'then' and calling it 'fact'. What are you trying to do, Davidk14, don't you know that a turd presented in a white robe is still turd?

How about you stop letting your bigotry blind your line of reasoning.

Your statement holds zero grounds and no one in their right mind, except an equally insensible fool as demonstrated by Serabi's statement, will go along with it.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Just let your fingers do the counting. You can count to ten right?

I let my numbers speak for themselves.

There was those also that thought my number of 300,000,000 Chinese living in squallor was incorrect yet no one could disprove my facts.

You are one of those that refuse to believe facts. Prove me wrong. So far, all you have done is try to slander me and that just will not do. Prove that the 1% are peace loving Muslims. You wont be able to.

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Comandante FiLTH
Comandante FiLTH:
There is no 1% muslims vs 99% muslims, you already admitted to making that up and stating 'IF'.
There was/is no statistics done on how many of the muslim population (or any group) are 'uncivilized beasts', there isn't even a definition placed down as 'uncivilized beasts'. It was all you in your bigotry bubble. All a Davidk14 attempt to spread irrational fear, discredit a group of people and downplay the actions of the groups you favour.

I count this as community service, spending some bonding time with a sad tard, k.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

There you go again.

You can't prove that 1% of the world's Muslim population is not peace loving. Actually, the numbers prove that I am right and you are ignorant to this discussion. You really need to learn that this one percent is out to ficking kill anyone that is not Muslim. And if you are a Jew, forget it. They have a death warrant out for Jews.

Are you that ignorant of this discussion???? Please say it aint so.

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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: Mr David you said that
"""Just add up all the people belonging to al quida type terrorist groups and other terrorist Muslim groups and that"'
Are you saying that within these so called Terrorist groups they are just muslin soldiers/civilians individuals??? or is it that all terrorist groups are Muslin???
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Comandante FiLTH
Comandante FiLTH: I think it is simple. Your premise is false, it is an 'IF', it is an assumption not based on forward facts. There exist no "1% of the muslim population wants to kill errybody". The conclusion you drew up from this is equally incorrect.


It's not that difficult to grasp Davidk14.

There are irrational persons out there and there are irrational persons who make claim to belong to the Islamic faith as well as (from my example) there are those who make claim to be orthodox Jews and any other group. Does this mean that the group as a whole should be scrutinized and placed as 'uncivilized beasts', -no, it makes no sense. Does it mean that since the number of the group is large then it is expected to have more irrational persons, -no, that has no backing. Unless you can show that being Islamic means you have a higher chance of being an 'uncivilized beasts' over anyone else.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Captiain Canada said:

Mr David you said that
"""Just add up all the people belonging to al quida type terrorist groups and other terrorist Muslim groups and that"'

Q: Are you saying that within these so called Terrorist groups they are just muslin soldiers/civilians individuals??? or is it that all terrorist groups are Muslin???


David responds:
I thought I was extremely clear. I said, that 1% of the world's Muslim population is not peace loving. The one percent represents al quida, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbolla, and a few dozen other radical, extremist Islamic terrorist organizations.

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Filth said:

I think it is simple. Your premise is false, it is an 'IF', it is an assumption not based on forward facts. There exist no "1% of the Muslim population wants to kill everybody". The conclusion you drew up from this is equally incorrect.


David responds:


If you knew algebra, the 1% proclamation is sound.
And to the rest of your post, it’s pure 100.0%
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davidk14
davidk14: .

and......



Just surrounding Israel (5 million Jews) just by itself in the Middle East / North Africa is 322,000,000 Muslims. http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/28/muslim-population-country-projection-2030

Q: Do you actually believe that 99% of them are peaceful and want to live side by side with the Israeli’s?

A: You’re using serious crack if you believe that.

Let’s just do a stretch and say 90%, and that is a real stretch, that 90% are peaceful and accept Israel’s right to exist…The 10% of the 320,000,000 = 32,000,000…and that is just the radicals, fundamentalist Islamists in the Middle East alone.


What about the rest of the world’s Muslims of 1.9 BILLION Muslims? That 1% equals another 18,800,000 radical, fundamentalist Islamists that would cut your throat without question if you were not Muslim and it’s a good chance even if you were Muslim and supported non-Muslims you could still get your throat cut.


My thought process is based on this…I have no issue with the 99% of all Muslims if they are non-violent and peace loving individuals that respect everyone else’s right to exist.

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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: Why are you always yapping about Israel having a right to exist.
Your a American CITIZEN,you should worry about the USA
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davidk14
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I'm sure that is what your father or grandfather said about the Nazi's in the early years of 1940 when 6 million Jews were murdered just because they were Jews.

If you do not support the right of Israel to exist, you basically support genocide.

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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: most of my folks came from north Africa (still some relatives there ))i don't care what happens there.I care what happens in my COUNTRY
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Comandante FiLTH
Comandante FiLTH: Canada, anything further with Davidk14 is a waste. He is a bigot and has an irrational hate/fear towards muslims. If you want to continue, let it be for your own amusement than hoping to change that old-fashion mind.
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davidk14
davidk14: To Captain...

People like you are the problem. You allow genocide to happen.

To Filth...(name fits)...

People like you are the problem. You allow genocide to happen.

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Captain Canada
Captain Canada: Dude its not in my COUNTRY i don't give a rats ass what happens
Thats my story and i am sticking to it
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