JFK 50 years and still people believe conspiracies. (Page 8) chronology: dhasty1949 With respect, you are just repeating what other people have written about the 'magic bullet'. There was nothing at all unusual about the way it travelled through Mr Kennedy and Mr Connally, and it was not 'pristine'. How do you define 'pristine'? if someone tried to sell you that bullet in a shop you would hand it back and say you wanted a new product not a used one. There are scratches on the bullet that match Lee's rifle barrel, there is damage to tip of the bullet after passing through the President and Governor.  dhasty1949: With all due respect we are all repeating some thing that some one else said, unless you were part of the actual investigation.  lori100: Harriman Co. was well known for smuggling Nazis into the U.S. ----Prescott Bush and Bush sr. both worked there------------------------------------Idaho Observer: Deathbed confessions, photos support claims that ... From the April 2007 Idaho Observer: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Deathbed confessions, photos support claims that George H. Scherf(f), Jr., was the 41st U.S. president...... www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm Apr 5, 2007 - In back is Joseph Mengele and to his right is Skorzeny as a young man. ... ---------------------------------(see pic of Bush Sr. with Mengele ^^--Bush is in his Navy uniform)-----Bush is not his real name.....it is George Scherff Jr. ---see article^^)---------According to Otto Skorzeny, pictured is the Scherff family and a few friends (circa 1938). Holding “Mother" Scherff’s hand at left is Martin Bormann. In front is Reinhardt Gehlen. In back is Joseph Mengele and to his right is Skorzeny as a young man. At center right (in the German navy uniform) is George H. Scherff, Jr. and his father George H. Scherff, Sr. Bormann became Hitler’s second in command. Reinhardt Gehlen was a chief SS officer and assassin who was smuggled out of Germany under Operation Paperclip. Skorzeny was Hitler's bodyguard and SS spy/assassin who came to the U.S. after the war under Project Paperclip. Skorzeny and GHW Bush were instrumental in merging Nazi (SS) intelligence with the OSI to form the CIA with "Wild Bill" Donovan and Allen Dulles. These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. ----------------------Berman recounted how Skorzeny was found “not guilty” at the Nuremburg trials, and then ushered into the CIA. “Some 50,000+ S.S. Nazi war criminals, not just rocket scientists, were brought to America after the war.” (Edited by lori100) chronology: Lori. Just answer this question please, was or was not Mr Bush shot down in the Pacific serving his country? chronology: dhasty1949. There are photographs of the Bullet, it has been displayed as evidence. Are you seriously suggesting the FBI, Warren Commission, Ballistics Laboratory which concluded the bullet was fired by Oswald's rifle that day, and that fragments in Governor Connelly matched the bullet, are you seriously saying all these U.S. Officialy are lieing?  davesdatahut: The conspiracy theorists WANT to believe that all official sources that investigated are lying. They do not want to take the time to ferret out fact from conjecture. They want, first and foremost to believe they are being lied to. It feeds some kind of need. Far be it for me to trust what the government says at face value, because I don't. But my view is to look for facts first and let conjecture take a back seat. And I still see zero evidence of a conspiracy. Banging on and nattering about untrustworthy government agents is not enough. You have to actually prove your case. Or at least present some kind of compelling evidence. lori100: Read the Idaho article, see the pic.....---------------"Best Enemies..."------------A story by Russ W. Baker, in the March/April issue the Colombia Journalism Review (CJR), provided the most compelling overview of Iraqgate that I have seen. "ABC News Nightline opened last June 9 with words to make the heart stop 'It is becoming increasingly clear,' said a grave Ted Koppel, "that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the aggressive power that the United States ultimately had to destroy" -----------------------"(Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, called on former President George Herbert Walker Bush to resign immediately from the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm, while his son President George W. Bush is in office. Today's New York Times reported that the elder Bush is an "ambassador" for the $12 billion private investment firm and last year traveled to the Middle East on its behalf. The former president also helped the firm in South Korea.--------------Since the WTC attacks the Wall Street Journal has reported (Sept. 28, 2001) that, "George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm." The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice in the last three years - 1998 and 2000 -- as a representative of Carlyle, seeking to expand business dealings with one of the wealthiest Saudi families, which some experts argue, has never fully severed its ties with black sheep Osama in spite of current reports in a mainstream press that is afraid of offending the current administration. The Nation, on March 27, 2000 - in a story co-authored by David Corn and Paul Lashmar - wrote, "In January former President George Bush and former British Prime Minister John Major paid a social call on Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah" This story confirms at least one meeting between the elder Bush and Saudi leaders, including the bin Ladens. That the bin Ladens attended this meeting was confirmed in a subsequent September 27, 2001 Wall Street Journal (WSJ) story. The January 2000 meeting with the bin Ladens was also later confirmed by Bush (the elder's) Chief of Staff Jean Becker, only after the WSJ presented her with a thank you note sent by Bush to the bin Ladens after that meeting. James Baker visited the bin Ladens in 1998 and 1999 with Carlyle CEO Frank Carlucci. -------------------------------Our current President, George W. Bush has also had -- at minimum -- indirect dealings with Carlyle and the bin Ladens. In 1976 his firm Arbusto Energy was funded with $50,000 from Texas investment banker James R. Bath who was also the U.S. investment counselor for the bin Laden family.-----------------(Bushes have a long history of being war profiteers and being friends with America's enemies.......)  GeraldtheGnome: Regardless of Lori's conspiracy theories, I do believe that the full story hasn't been told. That the CIA do have what's left of his Brain preserved in a glass jar, in a secret location, where at least some of the members of the CIA then, if not now, know and/or knew the full story. lori100: 9/11 Security
Courtesy of Marvin Bush Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne] According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down." -----------------------------------------------------------------------------Fritz Springmeier-( researcher) ------bush--saudi, binladen connections, info about u.s. govt support of taliban before 9 11 , how u.s. companies involved in 9 11 benefited with high stock purchases before and after the attacks,showing how insiders knew attack was to happen, how u.s. paved the way for opium trade to flourish after 9 11 ---------------- 9. 1998 and 2000 - Former President George H.W. Bush travels to Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the U.S. While there he meets privately with the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden family. [Source: Wall Street Journal, Sept. 27, 2001. See also FTW, Vol. IV, No. 7 - "The Best Enemies Money Can Buy" http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/carlyle.html] --------14. January 2001 - The Bush Administration orders the FBI and intelligence agencies to "back off" investigations involving the bin Laden family, including two of Osama bin Laden’s relatives (Abdullah and Omar) who were living in Falls Church, Va. -- right next to CIA headquarters. This followed previous orders dating back to 1996 that frustrated efforts to investigate the bin Laden family. [Source: BBC Newsnight, Correspondent Gregg Palast, Nov. 7, 2001] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- veteranstoday------------------The 911 Illusion: Part I: Patsies & Beneficiaries----------by Dean Henderson (Part one of a three-part investigation of 911 excerpted from Chapter 20: 911 of my book, Big Oil & Their Bankers in the Persian Gulf…) ----------------Al Qaeda was headed by Osama bin Laden, who built the CIA’s mujahideen training camps in Afghanistan. Bin Laden was House of Saud point man in recruiting Arab fighters for CIA shenanigans in Central Asia and the Balkans. Bin Laden’s brother Salem was a business partner and good friend of James Bath. His father Mohammed provided seed money for Bath’s good friend George W. Bush’s Arbusto Energy. The bin Laden family fortune was managed by Carlyle Group principal George Bush Sr. ---------------According to a PBS spokeswoman, within three days of 911 both Vice-President Dick Cheney and Queen Elizabeth II called PBS to request copies of two video documentaries the station had done – one on bin Laden and the other on Islam. Since US intelligence knew all it needed to know of their foot soldier bin Laden, Cheney and Her Majesty were more concerned with what the US public had already been told of the Saudi paymaster so they could factor this into their forthcoming public relations blitz. dhasty1949: Evidence has been falsified more than once. For all I absolutely know that bullet could have been recovered from a pig carcass. davesdatahut: That's all fine and well Gerald. But there must be some basis - something real and verifiable - that leads to your conclusions. GeraldtheGnome: Exactly, but even the outside chance is still a possibility, because after all if we can't rule something out or rule something in doesn't mean that it isn't possible. Also, yes things get falsified at times. Some believe the Moon Landings were done in studios after all. lori100: See my CIA thread for the murder, torture and other crimes by the CIA directed by Bush sr. yrs ago............. davesdatahut: Dhasty, do you know where the bullet was recovered from? Or again, are you simply theorizing? Or suppressing the analytical side of your brain in favor of the one that seeks mystery? davesdatahut: Gerald, of course what you say is possible. It also is possible that I am you and you are me. But something beyond blind faith and suspicions must be present to make it a theory worth pursuing. Otherwise, it's like religion. You just believe it because you want to. lori100: Some can't handle the ugly truth........the Bushes are not what they pretend to be.....nor are other illuminati members......look at my profile blog for illum members including Bushes, Clintons, Reagan, Obama all giving satanic hand signals....... davesdatahut: And now we go completely off the deep end into a pool with no water. Whoever holds Lori's hand in this endeavor can only blame themselves when they hit the concrete at the bottom. Satanac hand signals indeed. Haw haw haw. GeraldtheGnome: The theory that it can't be ruled out is a good enough theory within itself. The Theory of the Bush angle can be ruled out, including throwing Satanic stuff and the Illuminati into it. I believe what is a possible has a 50 % chance of being true. If I find more then it will be a more likely theory, that is true.
(Edited by GeraldtheGnome) lori100: It is very true......a Naval building in Calif. is in the exact shape of a swastika.....pic on my wall months ago..........Bush sr. pic also with Satanic image on his hat ....exact same image (their version of Satan) as Prince William is wearing on his uniform.....also on my wall months ago.....many news stories of satanic rituals on navy ships reported in recent yrs......look and see...... (Edited by lori100) davesdatahut: Pursuing something simple because it can't be ruled out will leave you chasing geese and trying to slice proverbial jello with your finger. I favor pursuing that which appears to have some substance. (Edited by davesdatahut) | Politics Chat Room 76 People Chatting Similar Conversations |