JFK 50 years and still people believe conspiracies. (Page 2)
davesdatahut: No one knew that we made a bomb that wiped out two cities in Japan? If history is correct, people knew who did it the moment the bombs exploded. Ain't no one who tried to hide that one! We dropped the first one. We said we dropped it. We said we'd do it again. Then we did it again. And owned up to that one, too! Doesn't sound like a big secret to me.
davesdatahut: Ok...and then the moment the bombs hit the ground, the jig was up! We admitted it. No hiding that one! But somehow everyone involved in 9/11 has clammed up and managed to keep it a secret. All those people in the government. All those civilians. All their associates. All those terrorists. And all those terrorists' families and associates. Remarkable! I gotta connect with these people the next time I need to tell a serious lie.
davesdatahut: I am saying that the idea of a big conspiracy is possible. But highly unlikely, given that not one person involved has ever opened his or her mouth and spilled the beans.
lori100: What is LHO? And if you and your family were threatened I think you would keep quiet too...
lori100: See my 911 thread for list of Bush friends who died right before they were to testify related to 911...longer list of dead Bush friends on my conspiracy thread....
davesdatahut: I will do that. But first, let me get fitted with a tinfoil hat while I read about the aliens who built the Pyramids.
L H Oswald was the assassin.(?)
It was n 't until the 1980s that the US Judicary admitted that ordinary people could be part of groups!
lori100: 911 was not the first time the govt has plotted against the public....------------Operation Northwoods-----------Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.-------------------many more crimes on my conspiracy and CIA threads......learn...
chronology: Lori, during WW2 in Britain someone came up with the idea of building a floating imitation of the entire British Isles to confuse German Bombers, the 'Operation Northwoods' was the same kind of speculative idea.
Lori, just accept the facts, Oswald acted alone. All the evidence points to that. But you wander off to some pretty dark places of the imagination. We have already debated the Manhattan Project, it was the most 'un secret' secret in the world at the time.
lori100: http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/.../jklbj.html-----------------------American RadioWorks - The President Calling
--------------------------Listen to LBJ talking to Jackie Kennedy-----LBJ: But if I know that you are going to come back to see me some morning when you are bringing your-
JBK: I will.
LBJ: -kid to school, and first time you do, please come and walk and let me walk down to the seesaw with you like old times.
JBK: I will, Mr. President.
LBJ: Okay. Give Caroline and John-John a hug for me.
JBK: I will.
LBJ: Tell them I'd like to be their daddy!
JBK: I will.
JBK: Good-bye. --------------------LBJ: Jackie?
JBK: Mr. President?
LBJ: I love you!
JBK: Aren't you sweet? Where are you?
LBJ: You just skipped away from this town. I ought to have had you arrested!
JBK: But I was so mad at myself.
LBJ: Well, you ought to be mad. You almost made me mad at you leaving without coming by and hugging me and telling me goodbye.
JBK: Yeah, but did you get my note?
LBJ: Yes, I did. And I-
JBK: ... I felt so stupid.
lori100: LBJ mistress tells LBJ knew the assassination would happen........-----The night before the Kennedy assassination, Lyndon Baines Johnson met with Dallas tycoons, FBI moguls and organized crime kingpins - emerging from the conference to tell his mistress Madeleine Duncan Brown that after tomorrow "those SOB's" would never embarrass him again. It's a jaw-dropping deposition and it's the biggest JFK smoking gun there is - despite the fact that it has received little media attention.--------------------
dhasty1949: Bullets go in little and come out bigger,you can see the stream of brain tissues coming from the back of JFK;s head, this was the same direction of the bullet, the impact forced him back into the seat and then he snaps forward.From my understanding of physics this indicates a shot from the front not behind.
chronology: dhasty1949. Well first, the so called 'magic bullet' has been tested by ballistics experts and found to be entirely plausible, bullets are really unpredictable, I knew a Guy who was walking around with a bullet in his leg hours after being shot and never even knew he had been shot, it was only when he tried to scratch what to him was just an 'itchy patch' that he realised there was a injury there. The bullet in JFKs shooting was demonstrated in lab tests to be able to pass through a Pig cadaver and go on to another cadaver, just like the one in JFK did. If you examine the movie footage in the Z movie you will clearly see the exploding material from the Presidents head obscures his head from the camera, this clearly shows a rear entry and front side exit, the movement downwards, then the reflex back again accounts for the position of JFK after impact, don't forget, the President 'fell over' to his left after the impact, he was not 'thrown' back.
The disputes over the shooting could have been settled if the crime scene had been handled differently, but different Government Departments were in control of different aspects of the incident. Dallas Detectives were probably dismayed that Secret Service Agents had cleaned the blood out of the Presidents car a few hours after the shooting. This deprived Dallas PD of determining blood spatter patterns, but the Secret Service Agents were in shock, and had no idea of Detectives procedures. The Presidents Brain was not kept after the autopsy, out of respect for the grieving family it was handed over to be buried with the President, again Dallas PD would have wanted that evidence kept for future Enquiry. Another problem was that the autopsy had been carried out after the Trauma Room had tried to save the Presidents life, this made it difficult to say exactly which injuries were a result of life saving attempts by doctors, and just how the injuries happened precisely.
Lori, with respect, you are just gossip mongering as usual, no facts, just idle gossip.
chronology: Lori, I am not disrespecting you, but 'what' Government 'lies'. There have been two Official U.S. Government Investigations into JFKs death, one says two gunmen shot at the President, another says one man shot at the President. The only 'proof' offered for a second gunman is acoustical evidence that even multiple experts cannot agree is acceptable evidence, let alone reliable evidence. From a single spike in a data readout a second gunman is magically created. Fair enough, but just 'where was that second gunman'. The spike in data readout could have any number of things, even a automobile backfiring. Some witnesses said they saw two gunmen stood at the shooters window in the TSBD. It has been shown to be impossible to have shot at the President standing up at the window, the Hughes movie shows no such men, just one man at the window shooting at the President.