How should the USA react to the beheading of journalist James Foley? (Page 3)

davidk14
davidk14: .

Crazy I say! Crazy!



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The13th
The13th: Lori has been eaten by a tiger and will no longer post in wireclub. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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electrician25hr
electrician25hr: Eat shit davidk IF you love muzzlim terrorists so much go live there..or rather die there because they will kill you because you dont believe their bull shit so called religion.
Why the fcuk would i care or not what goes on at that shit hole of a country any ways. The idiot got his head chopped off because muzlims are not civilized people. Do every body a favor MOVE over there AZZHOLE
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orkanen
orkanen: Yes, Lori. The mind control has a name. It's called indoctrination.
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lori100
lori100: ...well actually yes, the mind control victims are driven crazy by the abuse they were subjected to (torture to destroy the mind , then multiple personalities are created to be used in crimes), but they are still under mind control and not responsible------------Mind controlled assassins are very real....------------------ wanttoknow.info-------------------The Secret Agenda of Mind Control

Please note: the letters and numbers after each paragraph denote the book and page number from which the mind control information was taken. BB—Bluebird MC—Mind Controllers NB—A Nation Betrayed.



A declassified CIA document dated 7 Jan 1953 [1] describes the creation of multiple personality in 19-year old girls. "These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H [hypnotic] controlled state ... by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words and that control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes." BB 32


Under the provisions of the National Security Act of 1947, the CIA was established. One of the main areas investigated by the CIA was mind control. The behavior control program was motivated by Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean use of mind control techniques. The CIA originated its first program in 1950 under the name BLUEBIRD. MKULTRA officially began in 1953. In 1973, tipped off about forthcoming investigations, CIA Director Richard Helms ordered the destruction of any MKULTRA records. [2] MC 3, 10, 17

The Senate Intelligence Committee did find some records during its investigation in 1976. Senator Frank Church, who led the congressional investigations of the CIA's unlawful actions, said that the agency was "a rogue elephant" operating above the law as it plotted assassinations, illegally spied on thousands of Americans, and even drugged citizens in its effort to develop new weapons for its covert arsenal. [3] In 1977, through a Freedom of Information Act request, 16,000 pages of mind control documents were found as part of the Agency's financial history. That is how this information has been pieced together. MC 5, 18, NB xvi, 38

The CIA Mind Control Projects



A CIA document dated 10 Feb 1954 [4] describes an experiment on the creation of unsuspecting assassins: "Miss [deleted] was then instructed (having expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that she would not hesitate to "kill." Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions including firing the (unloaded) gun at [deleted]. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss [deleted] expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened." BB 36, 37


MKULTRA grew into a mammoth undertaking. The nature of the research included these specific problems:
•Can we create by post-H (hypnotic) control an action contrary to an individual's basic moral principles?
•Can we "alter" a person's personality? Can we guarantee total amnesia under any and all conditions?
•Could we seize a subject and in the space of an hour by post-H control have him crash an airplane?
•Can we devise a system for making unwilling subjects into willing agents and then transfer that control to untrained agency agents in the field by use of codes or identifying signs? NB 13, 14, 28 [5]



In a 1971 Science Digest article [6], Dr. G.H. Estabrooks states, "By the 1920's clinical hypnotists learned to split certain individuals into multiple personalities like Jeckyl-Hydes. During WWII, I worked this technique with a Marine lieutenant I'll call Jones. I split his personality into Jones A and Jones B. Jones A, once a ‘normal' Marine, became entirely different. He talked communist doctrine and meant it. He was welcomed enthusiastically by communist cells, and was deliberately given a dishonorable discharge. Jones B was the deeper personality, knew all the thoughts of Jones A, and was ‘imprinted' to say nothing during conscious phases. All I had to do was hypnotize him, get in touch with Jones B, and I had a pipeline straight into the Communist camp." BB 167-169 For more on CIA mind control projects, click here.

Dr. Jose Delgado, a neurosurgeon and Yale professor, [7][8][9] received funding for brain electrode research on children and adults. In the 1950s, he developed a miniature electrode placed within an individual's cranium capable of receiving and transmitting electronic signals. Delgado was able to control the movements of his subjects by pushing buttons on a remote transmitter. He demonstrated by wiring a fully-grown bull. With the device in place, Delgado stepped into the ring with the bull. The animal charged towards the experimenter – and then suddenly stopped, just before it reached him. The powerful beast had been stopped with the simple action of pushing a button on a small box held in Delgado's hand. [10] MC 147, BB 88

The Mind Control Doctors

In the second half of the 20th century, mind control projects resulted in extensive political abuse of psychiatry. Many thousands were subjected to unethical mind control experiments by leading psychiatrists and medical schools. Mind control experimentation was not only tolerated by medical professionals, but published in psychiatric and medical journals. Dr. William Sweet participated in both brain electrode implant experiments and the injection of uranium into medical patients at Harvard University. [11][12] Army doctors were involved in LSD testing at least until the late 1970's. Subjects of LSD experiments included children as young as five years old, and brain electrodes were implanted in children as young as 11 years of age. BB, pg. K, 1, 21

Linda MacDonald was a victim of Dr. Ewen Cameron's [13][14][15][16] destructive mind control experiments in 1963. Dr. Cameron was president of the American and World Psychiatric Associations. He used a "treatment" which involved intensive application of these brainwashing techniques; drug disinhibition, prolonged sleep, and prolonged psychological isolation. These were combined with ECT [Electro Convulsive Therapy]. [17][18][19] The amount of electricity introduced into Linda's brain exceeded by 76.5 times the maximum amount recommended. Dr. Cameron's technique resulted in permanent and complete amnesia. A class action suit against the CIA for Dr. Cameron's MKULTRA experiments was settled out of court for $750,000, divided among eight plaintiffs in 1988. BB 126, 181-187 For more on the mind control doctors, click here.



26 July 1963, Memorandum For: Director of Central Intelligence [20] From: CIA Inspector General------

"The concepts involved in manipulating behavior are found by many people both within and outside the Agency [CIA] to be distasteful and unethical. Nevertheless, there have been major accomplishments both in research and operational employment. Over the ten-year life of the program many additional avenues to the control of human behavior have been designated under the MKULTRA charter, including radiation, electro-shock, and harassment substances. Some activities raise questions of legality implicit in the original charter. A final phase of the testing places the rights and interests of US citizens in jeopardy. "

Technical Services Division initiated a program for covert testing of materials on unwitting US citizens in 1955. TSD has pursued a philosophy of minimum documentation in keeping with the high sensitivity of the projects. Some files contained little or no data at all. There are just two individuals in TSD who have full knowledge of the MKULTRA program. NB 108-113
----------------------------------------keep in mind Bush Sr. was the Director of the CIA in charge of these abuse programs.....-
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henryrcurtiss
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orkanen
orkanen: Wow! That was a whole lot of copy and paste! I tend to stay away from conspiracy theories, although I would expect such organizations to be involved in such research.

You need go no further than to observe various ideological zealots around the world. There are always a few in every country, as some people are more susceptible than others to indoctrination. Depending on which ideology they're raised into, they will act accordingly.

Be it political, like some branch of socialism, or liberalism, or conservatism if you will. Either way, you'll ignore anything that opposes your image of what it should be, believing opposing views are all lies, and tricks, made to confuse you. Be it a religion, you'll try to follow every commands to the letter, having no qualms carrying them out, because it says "in the good book", or it is a command "by God". Include "political".
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duncan124
duncan124:
You choice of politician is separate from your religious views?

Diseases spread across all borders and cause the same symptoms everywhere they go. Should n't they go in your list of causes of social ills?
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orkanen
orkanen: Are you asking me, Duncan? If so, I'm not really sure about what you're asking. I'm guessing here, but I do know that diseases have nothing whatsoever to do with indoctrination.
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duncan124
duncan124:

Orkanen said "You need go no further than to observe various ideological zealots around the world. There are always a few in every country, as some people are more susceptible than others to indoctrination. Depending on which ideology they're raised into, they will act accordingly."


Diseases cause perceptual changes and the disease is international, so people all over the world have the same problem and chose the same but wrong paths.

If you are follower of a religion you are expected to vote according to the doctrine of the religion

If you are ill you should make the most serious efforts to get better and from that point of view someone who chooses to take moderate steps is a zealot!
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orkanen
orkanen: I'll agree that one takes actions, according to what one believes in, in any matter. If one believes in Chinese medicine, one will visit a dealer of such potions to cure ones ailments. If one believes prayer will cure the ailment, one one will seek out such treatment. What is your point in this? This thread concerns how USA, or more specifically, its government, should react to the beheading, by Muslims, of the journalist James Foley.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: OK, here's a statistic. 36 Americans were homicide victims in Mexico in 2009. As far as I know, America and Mexico are still at peace. In the light of this, why should America do anything about James Foley? He was in a war zone which, by it's very nature, means he was at risk of being killed. He took the risk and lost. End of story.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

The Mexican Government did not execute 36 Americans. That is the difference. ISIS is a band of Islamic murderers that have been murdering Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Mr. Foley was doing his job by getting us information. He was in the 'right' place and was captured and used...then beheaded for being an infidel. To the terrorists, he was prime meat intended for a prime time slaughter on prime time TV.

To say anyone in a war zone enters at his / her own risk is probably legally true. However, a person, especially a news person, should be immune at the very least and escorted out of the conflicted area. In other words....respected. Journalists are welcomed in Hamas territories with open arms and Hamas murderers are ranked in the top 3 or 4 terrorist organizations in the world.

ISIS is really, really, really bad and everyone should take notice of this....sooner rather than later.

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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I'm all for the US sending ISIS to Paradise, but not because of James Foley. He chose to go there, he knew the risks and, sorry to say, he came unstuck.
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alpossmar82
alpossmar82: UN intervention will only come unstuck with inexperience, eg of success of Pakistani UN peace keepers in Solmalia (Black Hawk Down era)US UN peacekeepers? With anti-Taliban experience.
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lori100
lori100: You're welcome Henry.....I wouldn't be so sure the Mexican govt hasn't murdered people...it is very corrupted....maybe some of the ISIS ppl are mind controlled...wouldn't be surprised.....
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henryrcurtiss
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Ms_Mafdet_The Great
Ms_Mafdet_The Great: Just leave this here, for ya's....

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davidk14
davidk14: .

Henry said:

For clarification ,congress sends soldiers not American, neither the president. That is a power of congress not ours or the president.

David responds:

The US President can do what he wants. He has the power to take limited action...what ever the fuck that means. However, he can not declare a war. Only congress can declare a war.

Since the declared wars against Germany and Japan in the 1940's, not one 'military action' since the 1940's were 'declared wars' by congress. It was the president in the White House at the time that deemed it necessary to 'put boots on the ground' without a declaration of war. Recent Presidents hide behind getting the UN to issue some sort of and send in 'International Troops' to do what the US should do itself with a declaration of war.

If it is so frickin important to place troops in harms way for an 'extended' period, then it is important enough to know who the enemy is and completely destroy them and anyone who supports them. Period. If it is so damn important, other nations will also have declarations of war and become our allies, totally committed to the complete destruction or unconditional surrender of the enemy. Pretty ballsy but that is how it should be done, as it was done by the US Military before.

The current enemy is as dangerous if not more dangerous than our enemies in our last declared wars. Yes, they were vicious, but these current day murderers are insane.



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echidnatas
echidnatas: My thoughts are they take a good hard look at foreign policy and come to the realization that its not working
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Yah think?

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echidnatas
echidnatas: No I just hit random keys and thats what came up...I work part time as a chimpanzee
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orkanen
orkanen: So it was you who took my job!
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dave3974
dave3974: intresting clip mafdet , I wonder at times if the us is realy run by aliens with a hidden agenda , which explains the mess they have made
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I think we should broaden that thought a little Dave. Is the world run by aliens with a hidden agenda? It might help explain the mess we're all in right now.
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