Conspiracy Theories That Were Proven True, Conspiracy poll results (Page 3)
chronology: Lori. The U.S. was left with no choice but to invade Afghanistan to apprehend, or try to, Bin Laden. It was therefore an opportunity to remove the most violent and reckless tyrant in the region, Saddam, no disrespect to him, but he was a violent tyrant, and Americans freed the Iraqi people from his grip. Lori, what would have been more tragic, America liberating Iraq? or America passing by the opportunity and another 'million life' war breaking out there like the 1980 Iran/Iraq war?. In life we sometimes have to choose between 'bad' or 'badder', Mr Bush chose the lesser of two evils.
And wanted to support many more with three ship loads of AK47s.
All the time Ronald Reagan was saying we are the victims he was trying to start wars with drugs money.
dave3974: they would have been better off with saddam , the usa lied , ignored the UN and launched an illegal war
chronology: Dave and Lori. A man who planned and executed the violent and destructive invasion of two Independent countries and the nerve gassing of thousands of women and children was removed from Office by the self sacrifice of American Service women and men. I do not rejoice in Saddam being executed, that was for the Authorities to decide, but we can rejoice Iraq was given a chance of a new start, and could rejoin the world community as a respected nation, not labelled as an 'outlaw state'. Dave, Iraq 'had' weapons of mass destruction, thousands of dead nerve gassed civilians proved that, it is unlikely the women who still have scars from chemical burns would agree with you that they would have been better off with the ruler who ordered them bombed with those chemicals. Dave, it may have been 'illegal' that L.A.P.D. Officers nightsticked a drunk driver who had been driving at high speed through the streets of L.A. jeopardising the lives of people like Lori, but maybe those Officers had been at accidents caused by people like that. Maybe the problem is with the definition of 'illegal'.
Scary creeps to authority are just creeps to authority.
Someone else posted that someone who kills ' six thousand people ...' deserves what ever authority says.
Don't you think that three ship loads of guns are n't going to kill and maim at least six thousand people? That is what they intended to happen while they were sitting behind a desk and whining on TV !
dave3974: the usa is not the worlds policeman or moral judge and should be called to account for the mayhem they have wreaked in iraq
chronology: Dave, they were in Afghanistan at the time. Why save one country when you can save two? America freed Iraq from cruel sanctions. Ask any expert who knew how the Iraqi people suffered under that cruel embargo, America set them free. Mr Bush would have been a sadist if he did not use the opportunity free Iraq from Vultures swarming all over it. Vultures are useful Birds, but bad when they wear Business suites.
The Business Plot:
In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a fascist dictatorship in the United States. And yes, we’re talking about the same Prescott Bush who fathered one US President and grandfathered another one. Smedley Butler was both a patriot and a vocal FDR supporter. Apparently none of these criminal masterminds noticed that their prospective point man had actively stumped for FDR in 1932. Smedley spilled the beans to a congressional committee in 1934. Everyone he accused of being a conspirator vehemently denied it, and none of them were brought up on criminal charges. Still, the House McCormack-Dickstein Committee did at least acknowledge the existence of the conspiracy, which ended up never getting past the initial planning stages. Though many of the people who had allegedly backed the Business Plot also maintained financial ties with Nazi Germany up through America’s entry into World War II. In 1934, the Business Plot was publicly revealed by retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler testifying to the McCormack-Dickstein Congressional Committee. In his testimony, Butler claimed that a group of men had approached him as part of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in a military coup. One of the alleged plotters, Gerald MacGuire, vehemently denied any such plot. In their final report, the Congressional committee supported Butler’s allegations of the existence of the plot, but no prosecutions or further investigations followed, and the matter was mostly forgotten.
July 20, 1944 Conspiracy to Assassinate Hitler:
Among another 20 some odd attempts, this one was one of the largest conspiracies involving hundreds of loyalists in the highest echelons of Hitler’s inner circle. Near the end of WWII, things were rapidly going south for Germany and the time seemed ripe for guilt-ridden Nazi officers to assassinate Hitler and overthrow his government. Colonel Henning von Tresckow recruited Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg to join the conspiracy in 1944. The plot to take out Hitler and then all of his loyal officers was called Operation Valkyrie. The plan was to use the Continuity of Government Proceedings during an assassination on Hitler’s life to take over full control of the government in Germany. The assassination would be blamed on the Nazi SS and therefore allow Stauffenberg to take full control of all aspects of the government. It almost worked. In July 1944, Stauffenberg was promoted so that he could now start attending military strategy meetings with Hitler himself. On more than one occasion Stauffenberg planned to kill Hitler at such a meeting with a briefcase bomb, but he always held off because he also wanted to take out Hitler’s two right-hand men, Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler. On July 20, he went for it anyway and exploded a bomb inside Hitler’s conference room with a remote detonator. Hitler survived only minor injuries.
For years, Britain had a spiffy trade deal with Iran regarding their prodigious oil fields. The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company was basically a giant money machine for the Anglo half, while the Iranian half got shafted. That all changed in 1951 when Iran nationalized the AIOC and the Iranian parliament elected Mohammed Mossadegh as Prime Minister. Mossadegh was relatively secular, something that pissed of Iranian clerics, but he was also very nationalistic. He was a democratically elected, pro American figure but the West saw his nationalizing of the oil fields a communist move(something Mossadegh thought was the right of the people to profit and pay for services in the country with). Those oil fields were under the control of British Petroleum, but unfortunately Mossadegh overruled this long standing business control. The United States sent Kermit Roosevelt, FDR’s nephew and CIA coordinator in to figure out the mess. The best he could come up with was to confront Mossadegh and have him overthrown and this was accomplished by bringing in what the agency refers to as “jackals.” The United States backed the return of the Shah of Iran, one of the most brutal dictators the country had ever seen and intentionally overthrew years before with the democratic leader, Mossadegh. Until 1979, that is, when a pissed off Iranian populace finally revolted and replaced the monarchy with an anti-West Islamic Republic. The result was a violently anti-American revolution lead by the Ayatollah Khomeini which overthrew the Shah and took hostage US Embassy workers, many of whom were involved in the plot with Kermit Roosevelt that installed the Shah. The planning for the Coup took place largely in that embassy, but Americans were told this was due to the rise of radical Islam and rise of democracy hating Muslims, which of course was far from the truth.
dave3974: the usa is not the worlds policeman or moral judge---------usa interference created al queda, osama was a us hero when he was murdering russians and afghans , the usa acts in the intrests of the usa no one else
chronology: Dave, with respect, you are doing what Lori does all the time with the CIA, you are seeing America through blinkers. There were endless people competing for influence in the Middle East, Washington was just one of them. Dave, do you seriously suggest the other countries involved in the Middle East were there to promote the well being of the people of Iraq? most countries were relishing seeing Iraq tired down with sanctions, then bleeding the country dry. If the U.S. was acting only in it's own interests, then why did they not join in the banquet of feasting on a crippled and hamstrung Iraq? Why did America set Iraq free when they could have drained the country dry at bargain prices with sanctions? America could have drained the life out of Iraq and never lifted a finger to help the country, instead, America sacrificed thousands of it's Service women and men and spent billions opening the country to international accountability and full standing as a respectable country, not be left as an outlaw state which it was. Many people would see America as having acted in Iraq's interests, not their own. This is one reason many Americans today wonder why they bothered taking responsibility for a country they could have left to the vultures.
This weekend includes 'Armed Forces Day' and the other Bank Holiday when the Army sent out Child Soldiers was as I said a workers holiday.
Wireclubs far right political not only denied that it was a workers holiday but said that it was Veterans Days.
Her more recent posts forget that the USA has had married Gays for over forty years and that the US Govt has to recognise Gay Marriage for what it is just as every Govt has to deal with what is real.
Even You Tubes preselector finds ' Japanese Titanic ' .....and you can see ' The Last Of Us ' game play.
Well, for one, just after agreeing that a member was creeping up to anything he thought was ' authority ' you post a ' War Plan ' and claim it was an authoritive document....just saying...
Operation Snow White:-------- Some time during the 1970s, the Church of Scientology decided that they’d had enough. Apparently, the Church of Scientology managed to perform the largest infiltration of the United States government in history. Ever. 5,000 of Scientology’s crack commandos wiretapped and burglarized various agencies. They stole hundreds of documents, mainly from the IRS. No critic was spared, and in the end, 136 organizations, agencies and foreign embassies were infiltrated.
Gladio is a code name denoting the clandestine NATO “stay-behind” operation in Italy after World War II, intended to continue anti-communist resistance in the event of a Warsaw Pact invasion of Western Europe. Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organizations, “Operation Gladio” is used as an informal name for all stay-behind organizations, sometimes called “Super NATO”. The role of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in sponsoring Gladio and the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and its relationship to right-wing terrorist attacks perpetrated in Italy during the Years of Lead and other similar clandestine operations is the subject of ongoing debate and investigation. Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter. What can we prove about that role? Thousands of documents, depositions and testimony as well as recorded conversations and admission by the highest levels of government in Italy. That’s about as credible as it gets, regardless of the CIA’s adamant denial it ever happened. What took place? The shooting of innocent civilians, terrorism and assassinations all blamed on leftist communists were actually apart of well coordinated, “black operations.” Black operations are typically involving activities that are highly clandestine and, often, outside of standard military protocol.
The CIA Assassinates A Lot Of People (Church Committee):
The Church Committee is the common term referring to the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, a U.S. Senate committee chaired by Senator Frank Church in 1975. A precursor to the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the committee investigated intelligence gathering for illegality by the CIA and FBI after certain activities had been revealed by the Watergate affair. The Committee uncovered, among many other things, that the CIA had violated its charter to perform only gathering of intelligence. For example, the assassinations of Allende in Chile and Mossadegh in Iran. Assassinations against Central and South American leaders and revolutionaries, as well as Africa, Middle East and East Asia. The list was tremendous. They even declassified a “Heart Attack Gun” the Agency had made for the use of killing someone without it being detected. Cancer, car accidents, skiing accidents, suicide, boating accidents, heart attacks, and just plain being shot were common assassination methods. The hearings, although recorded in full in congressional record, the mainstream media and official policies, is still largely not taught in American schools on recent history. The American public still has no idea this was ever actually confirmed or even took place. It is common for people to still refer to any of these assassinations as a joke or made up conspiracy.
chronology: Lori .................. hey, ho, here we go again. Lori, can you please tell us how the CIA 'killed Mossadegh'? Very strange indeed as Mr Mossadegh spent his last years at home under restrictions yes, but he was not 'killed'. The CIA has repeatedly denied any involvement in either the Coupe against or the murder of Mr Allende of Chile. The CIA does not deny it was trying to hinder the election of Mr Allande, just as the KGB do not deny they were trying to win his favour. The events in Chile were played out against a background of the Cold War.
Lori, when Rhodesia declared UDI against Britain, for years afterwards it received millions of Dollars from 'friendly people in England' including machinery and fuel oils. No one would accuse MI6 of breaking sanctions, friends in England just helped their friends in Rhodesia. Chile received American weapons and money yes before the Coupe, probably from the same type of cooperation the Rhodesian Government did. There is no reason to accuse the CIA of any connection with such friendships.
Don't try and smear the UK just because something else is going on, whats your agenda for saying this now?
lori100: Ok, maybe the guy who wrote these articles, made an error...all I found was Mossadegh was under house arrest until his death. But the CIA did oust him. I don't know exactly what the Church Committee said about his death....there is a PDF file on the Committee. Any way it is still a proven conspiracy
You are still hitting on the UK.
There are several web pages which attack the UK for paragraphs and then say Mossadegh became the Iranian leader.
"In March 1953, Secretary of State John Foster Dulles directed the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), which was headed by his younger brother Allen Dulles, to draft plans to overthrow Mosaddegh. On 4 April 1953, Allen Dulles approved US$1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mosaddegh". Soon the CIA's Tehran station started to launch a propaganda campaign against Mosaddegh. Finally, according to The New York Times, in early June, American and British intelligence officials met again, this time in Beirut, and put the finishing touches on the strategy. Soon afterward, according to his later published accounts, the chief of the CIA's Near East and Africa division, Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. the grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt, arrived in Tehran to direct it. In 2000, The New York Times made partial publication of a leaked CIA document titled Clandestine Service History – Overthrow of Premier Mosaddegh of Iran – November 1952-August 1953. This document describes the point-by-point planning of the coup by agent Donald Wilber, and execution conducted by the American and British governments. The New York Times published this critical document with the names omitted. The New York Times also limited its publication to scanned image (bitmap) format, rather than machine-readable text. This document was eventually published properly – in text form, and fully unexpurgated. The word blowback in the context of covert operations appeared for the very first time in this document."
Points to note are the UK got the old King to resign in favour of his son and replaced the Monachy with an elected Govt.
Mosaddegh tried to Nationalize the oil industry and he had trouble paying for the 52% BP holding and then they did not know anyone who would operate the oil field. They wanted BP to continue working the machines. It is illegal in Iran to say I am the owner but that person operates this. Campany cars are quite differant in Iran.
You might have notcied that through the story the Second World War runs and it is a good question to ask what were the Germans doing in Iran. They had agents everywhere, even in Tibet.
Clearly by 1953 the USA had had enough of their war time friend.
lori100: 22. The New World Order:---------------
This popular conspiracy theory claims that a small group of international elites controls and manipulates governments, industry and media organisations worldwide. The primary tool they use to dominate nations is the system of central banking. They are said to have funded and in some cases caused most of the major wars of the last 200 years, primarily through carrying out false flag attacks to manipulate populations into supporting them, and have a grip on the world economy, deliberately causing inflation and depressions at will. The people behind the New World Order are thought to be international bankers, in particular the owners of the private banks in the Federal Reserve System, Bank of England and other central banks, and members of the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group. Now, although this conspiracy theory was ridiculed for years, it turns out that the Bilderberg does meet and requests no media coverage. They receive no media coverage. The world’s elite meet every year and it goes largely unreported, for what?
[efoods]Discussions at the meetings include the economy, world affairs, war and in general, world policy. After the financial collapse, the Bilderberg played a key role in proposing that the world prepare for a new world order and have a standard world currency. This was propsed shortly after by almost all attendees of the Bilderberg meeting. During the 20th century, many statesmen, such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill, used the term “new world order” to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power after World War I and World War II. They all saw these periods as opportunities to implement idealistic or liberal proposals for global governance only in the sense of new collective efforts to identify, understand, or address worldwide problems that go beyond the capacity of individual nation-states to solve. These proposals led to the creation of international organizations, such as the United Nations and N.A.T.O., and international regimes, such as the Bretton Woods system and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which were calculated both to maintain a balance of power as well as regularize cooperation between nations, in order to achieve a peaceful phase of capitalism. In the aftermath of the two World Wars, progressives welcomed these new international organizations and regimes but argued they suffered from a democratic deficit and therefore were inadequate to not only prevent another global war but also foster global justice. American banker David Rockefeller joined the Council on Foreign Relations as its youngest-ever director in 1949 and subsequently became chairman of the board from 1970 to 1985; today he serves as honorary chairman. In 2002, Rockefeller authored his autobiography Memoirs wherein, on page 405, he wrote:
“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents … to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
-------------------After the turn of the century, specifically during the financial crisis of 2007–2009, many politicians and pundits, such as Gordon Brown, Henry Kissinger, and Barack Obama, used the term “new world order” in their advocacy for a Keynesian reform of the global financial system and their calls for a “New Bretton Woods”, which takes into account emerging markets such as China and India. These declarations had the unintended consequence of providing fresh fodder for New World Order conspiracism, and culminated in former Clinton administration adviser Dick Morris and conservative talk show host Sean Hannity arguing on one of his Fox News Channel programs that “conspiracy theorists were right”. -----------------------------------------------23. Kennedy Assassination
– the 2nd Investigation by Congress Few People Know About, United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA): The HSCA was established in 1976 to investigate the John F. Kennedy assassination and the Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination. The Committee investigated until 1978, and in 1979 issued its final report, concluding that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated by a conspiracy involving the mob, and potentially the CIA. The House Select Committee on Assassinations undertook reinvestigations of the murders of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. In 1979, a single Report and twelve volumes of appendices on each assassination were published by the Congress. In the JFK case, the HSCA found that there was a “probable conspiracy,” though it was unable to determine the nature of that conspiracy or its other participants (besides Oswald). This finding was based in part on acoustics evidence from a tape purported to record the shots, but was also based on other evidence including an investigation of Ruby’s mafia connections and potential CIA and/or FBI connections to Oswald. To this day, many conspiracy deniers are unaware that the Congressional investigation into JFK’s assassination concluded beyond any shadow of a doubt that it was a conspiracy. What made them come to this conclusion? Aside from reading the report, many witnesses (some of whom were CIA agents and station chiefs in Dallas that morning) were killed the night before testifying. For example, George de Mohrenschildt was a petroleum geologist who befriended Lee Harvey Oswald during the months preceding the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. He also worked for the CIA. He also blew his brains out the night before he was to testify to the committee. The committee also uncovered, among many things, that Oswald left the marines where he learned how to speak fluent Russian (at the height of the cold war). He was given money by the State Department to travel to Russia where he stopped off in Japan at a top secret US Military facility. The Warren Commission even mentioned this part. What most people do not know is that he probably was working in the Cold War infiltrating the Russians as either a “dangle,” “double agent,” or “defector” of some kind. What is interesting is that upon his return he got more money from the State Department to buy a house and work with an ex FBI Chief and CIA officials in training anti-Castro Cubans for an invasion. In Louisiana, where he was working, the CIA was involved in Operation Mongoose, Where Oswald worked under CIA Agent David Ferrie, who killed himself before testifying in a trial on the Assassination as well. Operation Mongoose worked closely with Southern Mafia figures largely because the casinos in Cuba, which were shut down after Fidel obtained control over the country, were epicenters for control on the island. The CIA even hired the mafia to assassinate Fidel on many occasions, 3 attempts which failed are common knowledge. What is funny is that figures who worked very close with Oswald either ended up dead (over 100 of them connected to the assassination died within a few years of unusual circumstances) or they ended up in other conspiracies.
For instance, E Howard Hunt (CIA Agent) confessed to being involved in the conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy on his deathbed. E Howard Hunt was one of the Watergate Burglars. Barry Seal, who worked with Oswald and Ferrie ended up being one of the largest cocaine smugglers in the United States during Iran Contra, as a key player for the agency and informant for the DEA. There is so much more to get into, but there just isn’t enough time. Oswald’s tax returns are still classified top secret to this day. Why? Perhaps he was still getting $$ from the United States, which places him on the payroll. That money trail leads to figures, many of whom were murdered, that would have blown the story wide open. For 14 years, most didn’t know this. The HSCA investigaitons by congress went against the findings of the Warren Commission and both reports are from the same source, Congressional Committees. Which is true? Why do we only teach one to our children in school?
(Edited by lori100)