CIA Attrocities--------------MKUltra Mind Control and other Crimes (Page 3)

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chronology: Lori...... Do you know anything about history? American interigaters were the most brutal torturers of 'Nazi' prisoners. One American Judge at Nuremburg resigned in disgust at the treatment of Germans accused of War Crimes. The only interest the C.I.A. had in Post War Nazi's was the files they had on communists in Europe. The Agency was given a 'treasure trove' of names of Reds that gave them a head start in the Cold War, if you think they never had to pay for that information in some way you are unreal.
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lori100:
"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."

George Bush Senior speaking in an interview with Sarah McClendon in December 1992
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chronology: Lori. That statement has been credited to, among others; Mr Brzezinski, Mr Henry Kissinger, Alan Greenspan, and etc.Fair enough, Mr Bush sr did make the comment during an interview, but he was discussing the 'Iran/Contra' escapade. Mr Bush never said; 'we Bushes', he was talking about the wild crazy wheeling and dealing of Col North among others.
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lori100: Frank Olson: CIA Scientist Murdered for Moral Stand ---------------by Darryl Roskow

(henrymakow.com)





In the early morning hours of November 28th, 1953, Frank Olson -- a high-ranking clandestine chemical and biological weapons expert for the US army and CIA -- crashed through a closed window at the Hotel Pennsylvania in downtown Manhattan, plunging 13 stories to his death [1],[3],[10].

At the time, the media reported that Olson was a 'government scientist'. Olson's death was officially ruled to be a suicide [1],[10].

Years later, the CIA would admit to covertly dosing Olson with LSD -- nine days prior to his death.

Who Was Frank Olson?

Frank Olson was a top scientist involved in U.S. 'Deep State' covert biological and chemical weapons research, conducted for the US Army and CIA [1]. Olson began his career at the U.S. Army Germ Warfare facilities at Ft. Detrick, Maryland, joining shortly after it opened in 1943 [2].

Olson's son writes,

"My father was a research scientist who was involved with germ warfare, associated with the Special Operations division. That was the most top secret kind of research that was done out at Fort Detrick, and [was done] in coordination with the CIA" [3].

As 'Deputy Head of Special Operations', Olson was involved in MKULTRA, MKNAOMI, Project Artichoke, Project Bluebird, and MKDELTA [1],[7]. Olson specialized in aerosol delivery systems [10].

Olson's boss was CIA TSS chief and MKULTRA scientist Dr. Sydney Gottlieb who was in the employ of both the CIA and Lockheed at the time
-----------------------Atrocities in Progress:

During May and December of 1950, Olson witnesses CIA 'terminal experiments' in Germany, where unconsenting individuals are administered biological and chemical agents during 'interrogations', always resulting in death [2],[10]. The purpose is to broaden CIA knowledge of useful drugs for assassinations, interrogations, and mind control. [10]

During August 1951, Olson travels to Point-Saint-Espirit, France, where he is involved in a secret MKDELTA experiment known as Project SPAN [7]. An LSD-like ergot compound is covertly sprayed on the French public, resulting in mass psychosis and seven deaths [7].

During May 1953, Olson witnesses MI6 'terminal experiments' at Porton Down, U.K, where innocent soldiers (who think they are testing a cure for the 'common cold' are administered steadily increasing doses of Sarin nerve gas, resulting in horrible deaths [10]. The purpose is to determine the ED50 and LD50 of Sarin nerve gas in man [8],[10].


Pangs of Conscience:

Frank Olson began to have serious moral doubts about his involvement in government atrocities [1],[10],[12].

Olson privately expressed his moral objections to Dr. William Sargant (MI6) at Porton Down - conversations which Sargant secretly passed to CIA-higher-ups Sydney Gottlieb and CIA Director Allan Dulles [4],[9],[10].

The CIA became concerned that Olson was a security risk. So they arranged for an overnight scientific meeting of Ft. Detrick scientists at Deep Creek Lake, Maryland, which Olson was required to attend.

During this meeting, TSS chief Dr. Sydney Gottlieb secretly administered LSD to all the scientists, including Olson. The true purpose of this Deep Creek LSD party was "to trap [Olson]" [10],[11],[13] -- specifically, to see whether he would be likely to 'spill the beans' on the vast government criminal activity in chemical and biological weapons research.

Olson became livid upon learning of being dosed with LSD without his consent. The meeting at Deep Creek Lake confirmed to Olson the immorality of the men for which he worked.

Olson returned from Deep Creek to his wife and children, somber and lucid. He expressed an overwhelming desire to quit the CIA and biowarfare field entirely [1],[10],[12].

Olson immediately tendered his resignation to Ft. Detrick Special Operations Chief Vincent Ruwet [1].

The CIA had other plans.



Evidence for Murder:


CIA TSS Deputy Dr. Robert Lashbrook had already determined Olson to be a security risk" in a classified memo [13]. So the CIA convinced Olson to

attend a debriefing in New York before they would accept his resignation -- to which Olson traveled with Lashbrook in late November 1953 [10].

Several days later, on November 28th 1953, Olson was murdered by Dr. Robert Lashbrook -- who was in the hotel room when Olson plunged to the concrete below [10]. Lashbrook didn't even bother to go outside to see if Olson was still alive [13].

A hotel operator overheard a telephone call made Lashbrook from Olson's hotel room to a number in Long Island, a mere minutes after Olson's death outside. The phone call went like this [2],[3]:

CIA TSS Deputy Dr. Robert Lashbrook: "Well, he's gone." Other Party (likely CIA TSS Director Dr. Gottlieb): "Well, that's too bad"

<Both Individuals Hang Up>

In 1996, Olson's body was exhumed at the request of his family, and forensic expert James Starrs ruled his death to be a homicide [1]. Olson had sustained blunt force trauma to the temple, which occurred prior to Olson's 'fall'. Olson was likely struck with a heavy object by CIA deputy Robert Lashbrook, and then thrown out the window, as outlined in the declassified 1951 CIA Manual on Assassinations [10],[13],[14]. No charges were brought due to "lack of evidence" - due to the death of witnesses [13].


----------------------Frank Olson knew the deepest secrets of U.S. government scientific atrocities. These experiments spanned the globe, involving assassination, mind-control, biowarfare, and aerosol delivery of biological agents. The CIA considered Olson's conscience a national security risk, and so he was murdered.
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lori100: Dark Legacy----------------A thorough, documented, criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy. You must see it to believe that former president George Herbert Walker Bush was connected to the assassination of JFK. Once you see this documentary though there should be no doubt in your mind that it’s true. The evidence is overwhelming and as the author of this documentary, John Hankey says, “If we could present this evidence to a jury in Texas, he would pay with his life”. Did you know that Daddy Prescott Bush was Hitler’s chief banker in the U.S. before 1942? Did you know that George H.W. Bush was in the CIA and in Dallas when Kennedy was killed? This video explores the many connections between George Bush and the Kennedy Assassination and makes a very convincing argument that he was the operational leader of the most important coup in American history. ---------------
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chronology: Well Lori, here we go again. Mr Kennedy's sad death was and will probably remain, like the Jack the Ripper murders, the most investigated crime in history. The result of all the investigations, both Official and unofficial, is that Lee Oswald acted alone and for reasons of his own when he shot John Kennedy. Yes there have always been people who turn up anomalies in the Case, and suggest they have found the answer, but always these anomalies have eventually been discredited. One puzzling fact in the story, was how Lee Oswald made his way to Finland. It was claimed by conspiracy theorists for years that it was impossible for him to have made that trip as there were no flights from London on those dates. A retired British Airways (B.O.A.C. in those days) staff member noticed the claims and pointed out it would have been easy for Lee to have flown to Sweden and bordered a connecting flight there and landed in Helsinki.

As for Mr Bush's 'connections' to the murder, pure spin and BS. A man pointed out Lee had an uncle who worked for Carlos Marcello in New Orleans, this was in fact true, but there is no reason at all to suspect Mr Marcello of any involvement in the crime. When he was asked if he knew Lee, Mr Marcello shook his head and said he never met him and knew nothing of him. Brian Ferry the oddball friend of Lee was claimed to be a pilot for Mr Marcello, he was said to be the man who flew Mr Marcello back into the U.S. secretly after Robert Kennedy had him physically thrown out of the U.S. Brian was also a friend of Lee from the Air Cadets days when Lee was in his Unit, (and his bed if the rumours are true). So what? this all proves nothing.

Years ago for a few weeks in summer I used to wake up in the morning listening to some folks playing tennis in the early morning sunshine. I used to think they were nuts to play tennis at that hour. It turned out one of the tennis players was Mr Charlton Heston, the Hollywood Actor. Mr Heston was playing in a Theatre in Town. Does that mean there is any connection between me and Mr Heston? I doubt it, so would any rational person.
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lori100: Strategic
Culture
Foundation----------------
WORLD


CIA: Cancer Experiments with Presidents of Latin America---------------In a series of his public speeches Hugo Chaves called an “epidemic” of cancer among Latin American presidents a strange and alarming phenomenon. This hard to cure desease was identified in case of Chavez himself, Paraguayan president Fernando Lugo, Dilma Rouseff and Lula da Silva (Brazil), Crisitina Fernandez (Argentina). Al of them are known as left of the center politicians struggling to expedite Latin America’s integration process and to get rid of the US dominance in the Western Hemisphere. Chavez let drop words about empires that go to any length to achieve their goals. ------------------Still the Chavez epidemic explanation was taken seriously. Political scholars had no doubt the US special services were conducting a wide scale operation to neutralize the “leading Latin American rebels”. They studied the history of how the Pentagon and the CIA used radioactive substances, biological and chemical weapons on the continent and remembered monstrous facts of using human beings as guinea pigs, the facts the Western mass media keeps silent about.

There is a small chance the in-depth history of the US biological weapons program will ever see light. The major part of archives is classified, the most discreditable files are progressively liquidated and the scholars, who intended to make the truth about the criminal experiments public, perished under undisclosed circumstances.

It was in 1947 the CIA was caught red handed conducting such experiments that is immediately after the very agency was established. The FBI and CIA operatives “protected” the US doctors in Guatemala City, that studied syphilis and gonorrhoea making 2000 of the Guatemalans infected. No consent to experiment was ever asked.

Guatemala president Alvaro Colom called the experiments a crime against humanity. Barack Obama had to apologize in a phone conversation with the Guatemala counterpart. He said the experiments were in contradiction with the US values. What contradiction! The experiments and the values go in line.

By the way it was in the very same 1947 the CIA launched the program of LSD (diethylamide of lysergic acid) “human material” tests. Later the US military intelligence picked the program up and used it its results “on the field” in the Far east and West Europe.

In 1953 the CIA launched the project MK ULTRA. It studied the ways to influence” human behavior and way of thinking with the help of drugs and microorganisms. The “studies” CIA and military laboratories archive did included the dispersion of pathogenic bacteria in the New York subway. As we see the experimentators didn’t spare their own compatriots. That’s the way the purposeful contagion of 240 provincial towns and living quarters of the poor in Washington, San Francisko and Minnesota was done. There were experiments conducted in the tropics, in Panama City for instance. In 1970 the CIA and the Pentagon launched a super secret ethnic (genome) weapons test program that has been implementing ever since. A strategic mission was assigned to the scientists to achieve mass redundant population reduction in the potentially hostile counties. China, Iran, India and Pakistan are targeted by US geneticists who long ago exceeded the “accomplishments” of Nazi doctor Mengele.

In the Western Hemisphere it was Cuba that suffered most from the biological made in the USA weapon. No less than 300 thousand Cubans suffered from Dengue Hemorrhagic Fever. 150 men, 50 children among them, were reported dead. The Georgia and Florida laboratories “grown” mosquitoes were taken to the island different ways. The Soviet military personnel staying in Cuba was also an object of the Dengiue and other deceases attacks.

Guatemalan writer Persi Francisko Alvarado, who has worked 20 years for Cuban intelligence in the USA, published an article about implantation of cancer used as a weapon by CIA in the Rebellion portal. He adduced concrete evidence there were dozens of biological warfare laboratories on the US soil. Fort Detrick - a department of virology is a place of especially sinister glory.

The Venezuelan political scholars often comment the potential use of experimental portable directional radiation electromagnetic weapon system by the US special services. It’s possible the weapon is already operational for selective attacks against “out of favor politicians”. A victim doesn’t die immediately but after some time – a positive characteristic that allows to escape leaving no traces.
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chronology: Lori, with respect, may I say you are just making propaganda speeches here against the C.I.A. not in any way being descriptive of them.

An example of propaganda speech is how a man described President Reagan welcoming Mother Theresa to Washington, giving her a red carpet welcome and at the same time was funding death squads in Central America who were killing, among others, Catholic Nuns. Actually Mr Reagan was fighting a Cold War battle field at the time, however tragic, there will always be people captured in the cross fire.

The C.I.A. during the time period you mention was in the most intense moments of the Cold War, how many C.I.A. Agents were killed we will never, definitely never know from your posts as you mention not one, 'propaganda', Lori, propaganda.

One fact you omit from your history of the C.I.A. Lori, if they lost their Cold War, you would be sat in some re-education camp somewhere not for spouting Anti Government statements, as it is, thanks to the sacrifice of C.I.A. men and women, you can say anything you like, even against them, and they will risk their lives to ensure you can continue to do so.
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duncan124:
...the 'CIA' was operating death squads while Reagan was welcoming Mother Theresa, she complained about it and Reagan staff were tried.....Chronos been camped !!!!
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lori100: redicecreations-----The Knights of Malta is not merely a “charitable organization”.-----------That’s just an elaborate front… As the name Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM) confirms, it is a military order based on the crusader Knights Hospitaller of Jerusalem and is interwoven with Freemasonry. Most people have never even heard of SMOM, much less that it is a part of Freemasonry. But that is the way the aristocratic elite like it. -----------------The two-headed eagle emblem of the Byzantine Empire (Roman Empire) on a Red Shield was adopted in 1743 by the infamous goldsmith Amschel Moses Bauer. He opened a coin shop in Frankfurt, Germany and hung above his door this Roman eagle on a red shield. The shop became known as the “Red Shield firm”. The German word for ‘red shield’ is Rothschild. After this point, the Rothschilds became the bankers to kings and pontiffs alike, among the richest families in the world. Ever since, they have financed both sides of every major war and revolution using the Hegelian Dialectic to engineer society toward their New World Order.

The Rothschilds and their agents, such as the Rockefellers, have been engineering America and its foreign policy almost since its inception. They and their Skull and Bones Wall Street partners staged and funded both sides in WWII, and out of that hellish nightmare was born their infant global government, the United Nations, and their tool of tyranny, the CIA. The father of the CIA, “Wild Bill” Donovan, was a Knight of Malta. In order to be a director of the CIA you must be a crusading Knight of Malta and it doesn’t hurt if you are a member of Skull and Bones either. In order to reach the highest levels in the Pentagon establishment, you must be an illuminated Freemason and/or a Knight of one order or another. Notable US military members of SMOM include top crusading generals such as Alexander Haig, William Westmoreland, and Charles A. Willoughby, an admitted Fascist.

Other notable members include:

Reinhard Gehlen (Nazi war criminal)
Heinrich Himmler (Nazi war criminal)
Kurt Waldheim (Nazi war criminal)
Franz von Papen (Hitler enabler)
Fritz Thyssen (Hitler’s financier)
Rupert Murdoch
Tony Blair
Pat Buchanan
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Precott Bush, Jr.
Edward Egan (Archbishop NY)
Licio Gelli
Ted Kennedy
David Rockefeller
Phyllis Schlafly (Dame)
J. Edgar Hoover
Joseph Kennedy
Henry Luce
Thomas ‘Tip’ O’Neill
Ronald E. Reagan
Giscard d’Estaing
Allen Dulles
Avery Dulles
Frank C Carlucci
Nelson Mandela
Rick Santorum
Juan Carlos (King of Spain and Jerusalem)
Oliver North
George H.W Bush
Augusto Pinochet
William Randolph Hearst
Francis L. Kellogg
------------------------Earlier Malta Boys Formed the “Intelligence” Agencies..


Who formed the CIA? It was a Catholic Knight of Malta, William “Wild Bill” Donovan. He was considered the “father of the CIA.” he was also the former head of the OSS before he was used to create the CIA. ---------------And Who Formed the FBI?


It was a powerful Roman Catholic who was also a Knight of Malta and a trustee of The Catholic University of America. Charles Joseph Bonaparte.
(Edited by lori100)
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lori100:


MI6 and CIA were told before invasion that Iraq had no active WMD
www.guardian.co.uk
BBC's Panorama reveals fresh evidence that agencies dismissed intelligence from Iraq foreign minister and spy chief
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chronology: Lori. WMDs were only a lesser reason for the liberation of Iraq. As Christopher Hitchens said, the preoccupation with WMDs has clouded a good course pursued by America. Ending the Purgatory the Iraqi people were languishing in was, among other reasons, the reason for the American liberation of Iraq, probably the main reason, but this is speculation, was to secure Iraq so American Forces could be removed from Saudi Arabia. 911 was, remember, the work of Saudis who seemed to think American Forces on the Saudi Iraqi boarder were occupying their country. 911 has always been dismissed as the reason for the liberation of Iraq, but the festering political situation in Iraq probably led to the atrocity in New York. America was left with little choice but to act. Mr Bush defused what was a ticking time bomb in the region when he sent U.S. troops to topple Saddam.
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lori100: the Bush family has a long history of friendliness with the Saudis, still today the Saudis are being protected by the govt-------------------A Department of Homeland Security program intended to give "trusted traveler" status to low-risk airline passengers soon will be extended to Saudi travelers, opening the program to criticism for accommodating the country that produced 15 of the 19 hijackers behind the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. -----------------------


DHS questioned over decision to let Saudi passengers skip normal passport controls
www.foxnews.com
A Department of Homeland Security program intended to give trusted traveler status to low-risk airline passengers soon will be extended to Saudi travelers, opening the program to criticism for accommodating the country that produced 15 of the 19 hijackers behind the
-----------------------------------------------Saudi Connections

The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)
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-----------------"Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)
----------------Also, “George Bush tried to make a connection between Iraq and al-Qaida in a conversation with Tony Blair three days after the 9/11 attacks, according to Blair’s foreign policy adviser of the time.”
-----------------------Fact #11
Between 9:30pm and 10:00pm on 9/11/2001, Bush says, “this is a great opportunity. We have to think of this as an opportunity.” He does so again during his State Of The Union speech on 1/29/2002.
----------------------On 11/13/2008, it was reported that “thousands of victims of the 9/11 attacks appealed to the Supreme Court yesterday, asking it to overturn a lower court decision barring lawsuits against Saudi Arabia for supporting acts of terrorism.”

On 1/6/2009, it is reported that “lawyers for Saudi Arabia have asserted in court papers that the Supreme Court should reject arguments that the desert kingdom be held accountable for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks because, over a period of many years, it financed al-Qaeda. In papers filed with the Supreme Court, lawyers for the kingdom and several high-ranking Saudi royals say that U.S. law provides blanket immunity to Saudi Arabia from lawsuits over the 9/11 attacks.”
-----------------------On 6/29/2009, it is reported that “the Supreme Court has refused to allow victims of the Sept. 11 attacks to pursue lawsuits against Saudi Arabia and four of its princes over charitable donations that were allegedly funneled to al-Qaida.” The “justices refused to review the ruling by a U.S. appeals court in New York that the Saudi defendants were protected by sovereign immunity in the lawsuit brought by victims of the attacks and their families.” The Supreme Court “turned down the appeal without comment.”
-----------------------The fact that the FBI did not tell the Inquiry about the Florida discoveries, Graham says, is similar to the agency’s failure to provide information linking members of the 9/11 terrorist team to other Saudis in California until congressional investigators discovered it themselves. --------------------On 2/29/2012, it was reported that Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey filed affidavits that call into question the role of the Saudi Government in the 9/11 attacks. Bob Graham said, “I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia.” Bob Kerrey said, “evidence relating to the plausible involvement of possible Saudi government agents in the September 11th attacks has never been fully pursued.”
--------------------veteranstoday------------------The 911 Illusion: Part I: Patsies & Beneficiaries----------by Dean Henderson



(Part one of a three-part investigation of 911 excerpted from Chapter 20: 911 of my book, Big Oil & Their Bankers in the Persian Gulf…)
----------------Al Qaeda was headed by Osama bin Laden, who built the CIA’s mujahideen training camps in Afghanistan. Bin Laden was House of Saud point man in recruiting Arab fighters for CIA shenanigans in Central Asia and the Balkans. Bin Laden’s brother Salem was a business partner and good friend of James Bath. His father Mohammed provided seed money for Bath’s good friend George W. Bush’s Arbusto Energy. The bin Laden family fortune was managed by Carlyle Group principal George Bush Sr. -----------According to the FBI, five of the nineteen alleged 911 hijackers were trained by the US military – three at Pensacola Naval Air Station and two at other facilities. [3]

Alleged 911 ring leader Mohammed Atta received the $100,000 he needed to plan and carry out the terror attacks from Standard Chartered accounts in gold bullion haven Dubai – where US Naval vessels often berth. Standard Chartered was founded by the Illuminated Cecil Rhodes. The bank is one of five London “gold-fixers” and prints Hong Kong’s currency. These accounts were controlled by 911 paymaster and UAE citizen Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi. ----------------------The President’s brother, Marvin Bush, was on the board of directors at Securacom – now Stratesec – from 1993-2000. The company provided security for the WTC, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines. It had the security contract at Los Alamos Laboratories, when there had been a number of security breaches at that facility. The firm is backed by a Kuwaiti-American investment firm known as KuwAm. Current clients include the US Army, US Navy, US Air Force and Department of Justice. They carry a Blanket Purchase Agreement with the GSA – meaning that no other company can compete for these security contracts.
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near50ohoh: i breezed thru looking for people with something to say and found someone who doesn't share her debates with anyone, remember debate club rules folks. we all have opinions but we share time!!
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chronology: Lori .............. Pakistani Intelligence Officers who knew Bin Laden during his 'Arabian Nights in the Afghan Hills Days' Emphatically rebuff the story of Bin Laden working for the C.I.A. One former high ranking Pakistani Officer said; 'Bin Laden did not work for the C.I.A. he never needed to. He had his own money, his own weapons, his own fighters, he planned to murder C.I.A. Officers after he had beaten the Russians. He once looked at some C.I.A. Officers who helping in front line trenches and sneered; 'when we have taken care of the Russians, we will take care of them''.

You do not need much imagination to know what 'take care of them' meant.
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duncan124:
'Arabian Nights in the Afghan Hills Days' is a play on the word 'Hands'. Not everyone around the world all spoke English David.

As Bin Laden himself said he resented taking CIA money I guess your story was them trying to talk their way out of their problem.
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lori100: yesss ......the CIA would Never lie........
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chronology: It was not the CIA who related that history Lori, it was Pakistani Intelligence Officers, they know the Region better than anyone else. In the 1980s Bin Laden was the 'Golden Boy' of the Afghan Hills and the Agency bent over backwards to try and get him in their fold. But Bin Laden was a self willed free booter who was aloof to everyone but himself. The CIA knew how dangerous men like Bin Laden were after the experience of Carlos the Jackal. Carlos was another independent terrorist who Bin Laden seems to have modeled himself on.
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duncan124:
'Arabian Nights in the Afghan Hills Days' is a joke against him from the time he was out of jail but unable to live with his wife because they both lived in such rough conditions.

As Bin Laden had spent years in Saudi jails and was know to the local police anything about Saudi Arabia would be painful to him.

As Lorri posted something about the Queen leaving or being asked to go I guess it is that which Chrono is so excited about. Other people did notice that Lorri was now interested in someone else.

Bin Laden never had a part in the Afgan war against the Russian invaders. That is just an insult to the people who did.

People can see how the Illumi cult thinking is helping the USA ideas when really they are beyond any understanding.
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duncan124:
What is more in Saudi Arabia there were arrest warrants and a large ' money for information leading to his arrest ' fund from a wealthy Arabian women who did not have any interest in him but was so offended by a senior women from USA govt that she made the offer of the award just to show the Americans how pathetic they were.

So don't say the Americans did n't know.
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near50ohoh: much better
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lori100:


'Underwear bomber' was working for the CIA
www.guardian.co.uk
Bomber involved in plot to attack US-bound jet was working as an informer with Saudi intelligence and the CIA, it has emerged------------------------A would-be "underwear bomber" involved in a plot to attack a US-based jet was in fact working as an undercover informer with Saudi intelligence and the CIA, it has emerged.

The revelation is the latest twist in an increasingly bizarre story about the disruption of an apparent attempt by al-Qaida to strike at a high-profile American target using a sophisticated device hidden in the clothing of an attacker.

The plot, which the White House said on Monday had involved the seizing of an underwear bomb by authorities in the Middle East sometime in the last 10 days, had caused alarm throughout the US.

It has also been linked to a suspected US drone strike in Yemen where two Yemeni members of al-Qaida were killed by a missile attack on their car on Sunday, one of them a senior militant, Fahd Mohammed Ahmed al-Quso.

But the news that the individual at the heart of the bomb plot was in fact an informer for US intelligence is likely to raise just as many questions as it answers.

Citing US and Yemeni officials, Associated Press reported that the unnamed informant was working under cover for the Saudis and the CIA when he was given the bomb, which was of a new non-metallic type aimed at getting past airport security.

The informant then turned the device over to his handlers and has left Yemen, the officials told the news agency. The LA Times, which first broke the news that the plot had been a "sting operation", said that the bomb plan had also provided the intelligence leads that allowed the strike on Quso.

Earlier John Brennan, Barack Obama's top counter-terrorism adviser and a former CIA official, told ABC's Good Morning America that authorities are "confident that neither the device nor the intended user of this device pose a threat to us".

US officials have said the plot was detected in its early stages and that no American airliner was ever at risk.

The FBI is conducting forensic tests on the bomb as a first step towards discovering whether it would have cleared existing airport scanning systems. Dianne Feinstein, the Democratic senator for California who heads the Senate intelligence committee, gave an early hint when she said that she had been briefed about the device which she called "undetectable".

But AP quoted an unnamed US official as saying current detection methods probably would have spotted the shape of the explosive in the latest device.

Just how major an escalation in threat is posed by the bomb remains unclear. Security sources have told news agencies that it was a step up in levels of sophistication from the original underwear bomb that was used in a failed attempt to blow up an airliner over Detroit on Christmas Day in 2009.
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near50ohoh: thought this was a chat room not a blog. oops sorry, i'll leave quietly. you'll surely never know i was here, will you?
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