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lori100
lori100: yes, I answered Chronology.....
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duncan124:
You not sensing any conspiracies around the UK Department of Work and Pensions at the moment are you?
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lori100
lori100: I don't know anything about that......but the goal of American and British govts is too cause more stress by impoverishing more and more people.......when people are struggling to survive they pay little attention to what the govt is doing and how they spend money, their involvement in other countries.......
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lori100: as on first post about CIA infiltration of American universities..........----------------


Yale will train US Special Forces in interrogation techniques using immigrants | StratRisks
stratrisks.com--------------------Following a flurry of media attention concerning a possible military training center at the Yale School of Medicine, the University issued a statement Tuesday afternoon maintaining that the potential program would meet appropriate academic standards but also denying that it has yet been formally proposed.

School of Medicine psychiatry professor Charles Morgan told the News in January that he hopes to propose the creation of a center at the Medical School in cooperation with the U.S. Army Special Operations Forces called the U.S. Special Operations Command Center of Excellence for Operational Neuroscience, which would teach soldiers interview techniques. Yale’s statement said the School of Medicine has not formally proposed opening the center, and denied media reports that the training facility will teach interrogation tactics and that the research will take advantage of minority populations in New Haven.

Michael Siegel MED ’90, a donor for the Medical School, criticized the center in an open letter to Medical School Dean Robert Alpern on Monday morning, arguing that the center will violate the mission of the School of Medicine by fulfilling military objectives, and the letter grabbed the attention of the national media.

“In short, the center, if established, would be designed in the best traditions of Yale research and scholarship,” the Office of Public Affairs and Communications said in the release. “Public reports stating otherwise are premature and based on speculation and incomplete information.”

Morgan would direct the proposed center, using a $1.8-million grant from the Department of Defense. The center would ultimately function to teach Army soldiers interviewing techniques Morgan developed, he said in January.
-----------------But the statement declares that the interviewing techniques envisioned for the center are both central to the psychiatry discipline and part of medical student and resident education. According to the University, interviewees will be volunteers from diverse ethnic groups and will be protected by oversight from Yale’s Human Research Protection Program.-------------------------------------wanna bet psych prof. Charles Morgan is CIA.......? -----------more mind control and torture techniques being taught.................( Yale is where Bush sr. ---former head of CIA and W. Bush both attended , and both are members of Yale's Skull and Bones secret Hitler creation organization---------John Kerry , as well--------rivals in public, good pals in secret organization.......).
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lori100
lori100: -------Army Chemical Corps' Special Operations Division (SOD) ---------The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate", by John Marks--------- Under MKNAOMI, the SOD men developed a whole arsenal of toxic substances for CIA use. If Agency operators needed to kill someone in a few seconds with, say, a suicide pill, SOD provided super-deadly shellfish toxin.[1] On his ill-fated U-2 flight over the Soviet Union in 1960, Francis Gary Powers carried—and chose not to use—a drill bit coated with this poison concealed in a silver dollar. While perfect for someone anxious to die—or kill—instantly, shellfish toxin offered no time to escape and could be traced easily. More useful for assassination, CIA and SOD men decided, was botulinum. With an incubation period of 8 to 12 hours, it allowed the killer time to separate himself from the deed. Agency operators would later supply pills laced with this lethal food poison to its Mafia allies for inclusion in Fidel Castro's milkshake. If CIA officials wanted an assassination to look like a death from natural causes, they could choose from a long list of deadly diseases that normally occurred in particular countries. Thus in 1960, Clandestine Services chief Richard Bissell asked Sid Gottlieb to pick out an appropriate malady to kill the Congo's Patrice Lumumba. Gottlieb told the Senate investigators that he selected one that "was supposed to produce a disease that was . . . indigenous to that area [of West Africa] and that could be fatal." Gottlieb personally carried the bacteria to the Congo, but this murderous operation was scrubbed before Lumumba could be infected. (The Congolese leader was killed shortly thereafter under circumstances that still are not clear.)

When CIA operators merely wanted to be rid of somebody temporarily, SOD stockpiled for them about a dozen diseases and toxins of varying strengths. At the relatively benign end of the SOD list stood Staph. enterotoxin, a mild form of food poisoning—mild compared to botulinum. This Staph. infection almost never killed and simply incapacitated its victim for 3 to 6 hours. Under the skilled guidance of Sid Gottlieb's wartime predecessor, Stanley Lovell, OSS had used this very substance to prevent Nazi official Hjalmar Schacht from attending an economic conference during the war. More virulent in the SOD arsenal was Venezuelan equine encephalomyelitis virus. It usually immobilized a person for 2 to 5 days and kept him in a weakened state for several more weeks. If the Agency wanted to incapacitate someone for a period of months, SOD had two different kinds of brucellosis.[2]

A former senior official at Fort Detrick was kind enough to run me through all the germs and toxins SOD kept for the CIA, listing their advantages and disadvantages.
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chronology: Lori, why you are going into such gruesome details of alleged C.I.A. Operations one can only wonder. You could go into the same details about a automobile accident. Remember the Woody Allen Movie ('Manhattan' I think) where the guy describes his death to Woody in a car wreck?; 'there is the sound of shattering glass, I feel the gear stick going into my leg, this is just before I explode through the windscreen'. Honestly, you are beginning to sound like Wireclubs Edgar Allen Poe.

Let us look at a world without any C.I.A. The U.S.S.R. would still be the owner and occupier of Europe, Latin America would be communist from top to bottom, Meanwhile America would be an isolated nation whose population could not leave their country, prisoners in their own land, their crime? being none communist.

And Lori, do you seriously think for one second these communist 'conquerors of the world' would not have turned on each other with a ferocity that makes the C.I.A. look tame? The most savage war in history was fought between the Socialist Nazi Party and the Soviet Communist Party. Imagine that war on a global scale.

How much of what you say is true who knows? there was that old story of the C.I.A. Guy who jumped out of a window in New York after a huge feast of LSD, everyone shook their heads at the C.I.A. and lamented their trippy experiment. Turns out the Guy never jumped after eating a plate full of LSD. He struck his head and either fell out, or, yes, jumped out.


The C.I.A. have served America and the world well when you consider the 'what if there was no C.I.A. scenario'. Listen to Germans who fought at Stalingrad, and see what a world without the C.I.A. looks like.
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lori100
lori100: the book author went into detail....was interesting....I copied it, and nazis were created and helped by the U.S. govt , banks and corporations, from other countries , too. Some could be wrong, most is probably right.-------------------------Bush sr and his 'dad' were friends with the nazis, helped smuggle them into the U.S. thru the Harriman co. ---------------------Wall Street funded Nazis--------------In his book, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, Professor Antony Sutton (pictured right), author of nineteen books, provides a thoroughly documented account of the role played by Morgan, Rockefeller, General Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, General Motors, Ford, and other industrialists, in helping to finance the Nazis. To prove his point, Professor Sutton provides bank statements, letters from U.S. ambassadors, mainstream media sources, Congressional Records, excerpts from Congressional Investigations, and statements from the Nuremberg trials. Wall Street's funding of the Nazis is part of authentic history.

Professor Sutton wrote that "General Motors, Ford, General Electric, DuPont," and other "U.S. companies intimately involved with the development of Nazi Germany were ... controlled by the Wall Street elite," such as "the J.P. Morgan firm, the Rockefeller Chase Bank and to a lesser extent the Warburg Manhattan bank."

"The deal bringing Hitler into the government was cut at the home of banker Baron Kurt von Schroeder on January 4, 1933," wrote author Marrs. Other notable figures that are said to have appeared at this meeting include Council on Foreign Relations members John Foster Dulles, and Allen Dulles, of the New York law firm Sullivan and Cromwell, which represented the Schroeder bank. Allen Dulles would eventually become a member the Bilderbergers and director of the CIA.
---------------------"The financing for Adolph Hitler's rise to power was handled through the Warburg-controlled Mendelsohn Bank of Amsterdam and later by the J. Henry Schroeder Bank with branches in Frankfurt, London and New York," wrote Gary Allen. "Chief legal council to the J. Henry Schroeder Bank was the firm Sullivan and Cromwell whose senior partners included John Foster and Allen Dulles."

Author James Perloff concurs, and reveals the role that the Council on Foreign Relations played in aiding the Nazis. He states, "In 1939, on the eve of blitzkrieg, the Rockefellers' Standard Oil of New Jersey sold $20 million in aviation fuel to ... I.G. Farben [and] even had an American subsidiary called American I.G." Describing the CFR's connection to the Nazis, he lists the directors of the American I.G. as "ubiquitous Paul Warburg (CFR founder), Henry A. Metz (CFR founder), and Charles E. Mitchell, who joined the CFR in 1923..."

Other U.S. companies which contributed heavily to the Nazi war machine include Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH) and Union Banking Corporation (UBC), both of New York. Prescott Bush (grandfather of President George W. Bush) was a partner at BBH and director of UBC. UBC of New York, which was founded and chaired by E. Roland Harriman, is now confirmed to have been a Nazi front company.

In a story called, Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed, on October 10, 2003, The New Hampshire Daily Gazette announced, "After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush ... served as a business partner ... for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942." A similar article appeared in the London Guardian on September 25, 2004, it was entitled, How Bush's Grandfather Helped Hitler's Rise to Power.

"Prescott Sheldon Bush ... father of the [former] President George [H. W.] Bush ... was a partner in the Wall Street firm of Brown Brothers Harriman for 40 years," wrote Professor Marrs. "It was Brown Brothers Harriman that helped to finance ... the 1917 communist revolution in Moscow and the rise of Hitler and Nazism, through money made possible by it and the affiliated Guaranty Trust Company." Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands who served in an intelligence unit for the German branch of Farben was also a member of the Nazi SS. Bernhard eventually became a founding member of the Bilderbergers
-------------"The two largest tank producers in Hitler's Germany were Opel, a wholly owned subsidiary of General Motors (controlled by the J.P. Morgan firm), and the Ford A.G. subsidiary of the Ford Motor Company of Detroit," wrote Professor Sutton. "In brief," he affirmed, "American companies associated with the Morgan-Rockefeller international investment bankers ... were intimately related to the growth of Nazi Industry." ----------On March, 29, 2002, The Guardian ran an article entitled, IBM Dealt Directly with Holocaust Organisers. They wrote that, "Newly discovered documents from Hitler's Germany prove that the computer company IBM directly supplied the Nazis with technology which was used to help transport millions of people to their deaths in the concentration camps at Auschwitz and Treblinka." According to this mainstream publication, IBM supplied the Hollerith machines (pictured right) that determined when people would die, according to their weight, height, age, and other attributes. ----------------Similarly, an article entitled, How IBM Helped Automate the Nazi Death Machine in Poland, appeared in The Village Voice on March 27, 2002, alleging that there was "a strategic business alliance between IBM and the Reich, beginning in the first days of the Hitler regime and continuing right through World War II." It continued, "Recently discovered Nazi documents ... make clear that IBM's alliance with the Third Reich went far beyond its German subsidiary. A key factor in the Holocaust in Poland was IBM technology provided directly through ... IBM New York, mainly to its headquarters at 590 Madison Avenue." Pictured above is a 1937 meeting between Adolph Hitler (left), and the head of IBM, Thomas J. Watson (center).
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lori100
lori100: Dulles Airport was named for CIA nazi supporter John Foster Dulles........the CIA recently tried to name a CIA building after anothe CIA agent involved in mind control abuse programs, victims of his abuse protested, the name of the building was changed.....
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chronology: Lori. The ADL has dismissed the 'Bush/Nazi' myth as 'Politicaly motivated smears'. Look, all kinds of business was done back then. In WW1 many Germans owned stock in U.S. Arms companies. They probably did in WW2.
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: "..but the goal of American and British govts is too cause more stress by impoverishing more and more people.......when people are struggling to survive they pay little attention to what the govt is doing and how they spend money, their involvement in other countries......."

Maybe in some third world countries when they are trying steal some resources they would try to disempower the opposition.However I would argue in Western countries that it is easier for people to be distracted by gadgets made by cheap labour.People get restless when confronted by their own poverty and are more likely to forment revolution especially they have lost everything as opposed to people who have always had nothing.The middle classes in Argentina are a great example of this a little over 10 years ago.
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lori100
lori100: Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed

By John Buchanan

Exclusive to The New Hampshire Gazette

WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury and FBI, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial baron for nearly eight months after the U.S. entered the war.

No Story?

For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.

The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.

The Summer of '42

The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran in the New York Herald-Tribune on July 30, 1942. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for nearly eight months.

"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz Thyssen as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact, the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography, I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.

The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested Thyssen's U.S. "nest egg" in fact belonged to "Nazi bigwigs" including Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself. ----------Newsweek Polska, the magazine's Polish edition, published a short piece on the "Bush Nazi past" in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported that "the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz concentration camp," according to a copyrighted English-language translation from Scoop Media (www.scoop.co.nz). The story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.



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chronology: Lori, Mr Bush's grandfather owned stock in various companies, yes one of those companies had business transactions with a German company at the time of Jewish persecution in Europe but Mr Bush was simply a stockholder in a trading company with Germany. The Jewish Defence League has specifically and publicly stated they do not regard Mr Bush's grandfather as a profiteer of the Jewish peoples persecution, and they have dismissed the attacks on him as politically motivated.
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duncan124:
a) I don't think all the people called Bush are G Bushs grandparents. And starting from the idea that G Bush was rich and then looking for rich parents called Bush is typical lorri the historian.

b) They paid them to say that, and what else would they say? And who are the JDL anyway?Did n't G Bush create them???
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: The Bushs and other U.S businessmen actually tried to overthrow the U.S government in the 1930s and install a regime based on Hitlers:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
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lori100
lori100: geee , wonder why the bush family have been such good friends with nazis........------From the April 2007 Idaho Observer: --------see the article------pic of teen bush sr. with mengele-----

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Deathbed confessions, photos support claims that George H. Scherf(f), Jr., was the 41st U.S. president
------------According to Otto Skorzeny, pictured is the Scherff family and a few friends (circa 1938). Holding “Mother" Scherff’s hand at left is Martin Bormann. In front is Reinhardt Gehlen. In back is Joseph Mengele and to his right is Skorzeny as a young man. At center right (in the German navy uniform) is George H. Scherff, Jr. and his father George H. Scherff, Sr. Bormann became Hitler’s second in command. Reinhardt Gehlen was a chief SS officer and assassin who was smuggled out of Germany under Operation Paperclip. Skorzeny was Hitler's bodyguard and SS spy/assassin who came to the U.S. after the war under Project Paperclip. Skorzeny and GHW Bush were instrumental in merging Nazi (SS) intelligence with the OSI to form the CIA with "Wild Bill" Donovan and Allen Dulles. These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. SS officer and physician Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war. George H. Scherff, Jr., became the 41st President of the United States as GHW Bush and George H. Scherff, Sr., was Nicola Tesla’s “trusted assistant.”
----------rockefeller/bush connection-------An interesting anomaly: Tesla’s response was addressed to “George Scherff, Esq.,” Union Sulphur Co., 17 Battery Pl., New York, NY (Union Sulphur Company?). [11] This address was not the location of the Nikola Tesla Company.

The Rockefeller Connection

Records show that 17 Battery Place is the Whitehall Building and was owned by Frank Rockefeller, who, with his brothers William and John D., also owned many of the companies with offices located there. The International Longshoremen’s Association (ILA) had its world headquarters there, as well as a variety of oil, mining, and chemical companies.
--------------Friends and acquaintances of Nikola Tesla recall him complaining about Scherff’s son, George, Jr., always snooping around Tesla’s lab. On more than one occasion (probably during the late 1930s), Tesla caught the 14-year old Scherff looking at his notes, poring through his books, and stealing small items from his lab. Tesla gave him the nickname, “Curious George” and likened him to a “mischievous monkey.” According to Skorzeny, (Adolph Hitler’s former bodyguard) in a deathbed confession to Eric “Orion” (Eric Berman) in S. Miami, Florida, Tesla, “hated the younger Scherff.” In fact, according to Skorzeny, the “Curious George” book and movie were inspired by Tesla’ s suggestion.

Curiously, the day before the national theatrical release of the Hollywood production of the Curious George feature length film, Alan Shalleck, the originator of Curious George (and the man in the Yellow hat), was found murdered under a pile of plastic garbage bags in his driveway in Florida at age 76. [13]

In short, Otto Skorzeny claimed that the true identity of George H.W. Bush was “George H. Scherff, Jr., the son of Nikola Tesla’s illegal-immigrant, German-born accountant, George H. Scherff, Sr.”

---------------- Skorzeny did not stop there. He produced a photo of a young Skorzeny, Mengele, Bormann, and the family of George H. Scherff, Sr.. Seated in the midst of those in the photo was a young George H. Scherff, Jr., who, Skorzeny explained, was trained as a spy and sent to America to work for Adolph Hitler. “He was given false identification and adopted by Prescott Sheldon Bush as his “son,” George Herbert Walker Bush,” Skorzeny went on. “He forged a birth certificate in order to enter the military before he turned 18. He was 16 at the time.”

In the family photo, a young Scherff and Bormann both sported a German Navy uniform. Scherff later enlisted in the U.S. Navy as “George H.W. Bush.”

------------- Eric “Orion” (Berman), in a live radio interview on Republic Broadcasting Network, January 17, 2006, [14] detailed how “Skorzeny died on December 31, 1999. His body was cremated, I have a copy of his death certificate, and I saw his ashes. After the war, he helped George Bush found the CIA through Operation Paperclip and ODESSA.”

Berman recounted how Skorzeny was found “not guilty” at the Nuremburg trials, and then ushered into the CIA. “Some 50,000+ S.S. Nazi war criminals, not just rocket scientists, were brought to America after the war.”

---------After spearheading the organization of the 1904 World’s Fair in St. Louis, George H. Walker eventually became the president of the W.A. Harriman & Co. investment firm and assisted Averell Harriman in acquiring the Hamburg-Amerika Line. This shipping company, with the aid of the most corrupt New York bank, almost single-handedly was responsible for the infiltration of Nazis into the U.S.—both before and after the war. Today, it is obvious that total cooperation was secured by gaining complete control of the New York Port Authority, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and key posts and persons all the way to the top in U.S. government.-----bush sr. worked at Harriman & co.---another nazi connection-----bush sr. was head of cia, both bushes and john kerry belong to skull and bones organization-----is sister organiza. of nazi group that hitler wanted started in u.s.
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duncan124
duncan124:
" After the war, he helped George Bush found the CIA through Operation Paperclip and ODESSA.”
That just is n't so. Is it the truth lori-the-historian?

Du Pont the French chemicals company was taken over by Nazi Germany and when I worked in a factory I remember having to return the chemicals delivered to France because it was taken to court again.

The Hamburg-Amerika Line was a company 'brought' by the Nazis, that is a fact.

You must remember when posting these 'cut and pastes' that until the mid 1980s the French media refused to report that the French Govt had deported Jews to their deaths and had protected the man who drove the operation.I think it was n't until 1989 that the French Courts officially found him guilty.

France had a large Jewish population before the Nazis arrived and when it was shown how they were all killed it raised questions about who were the people who had been reported as leaving France after the War to live in Israel. The numbers and names in the cleaned up history after the Govt had 'Hushed up' the facts were not compatible with the truth.

Clearly Chonos " The Jewish Defence League" is a German invention.

Interestingly, with todays economic situation, it was Du Ponts ability to find capital funds when no other European chemical manufacturer could and its then sudden return to market leader that made people suspect it. Compared that to the story in the Tax dodge thread and I think you can see where the Govt is again trying to drive the UK economy today.
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chronology: Jack, you are correct there was an attempt at a Coup in the U.S. back then but was Mr Bush involved? The Coup was more 'wishfull thinking' than a real conspiracy.
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duncan124
duncan124:
I was in Paris over the week in which the French Govt tried to get out of arresting their mass murderer and if ever somewhere had ' the writing on the wall ' it was the days between the documents going to the Department Chief and him saying that he was going to refuse to have the man arrested. At the end of the week you could almost see the immense blocks of the Government falling down on him and his was the first or second arrest warrant issued.

Only a week or so after Du Pont and Rhone something were stopped from trading and arrest warrants issued for the Chief Executives. And that only happened because the Courts at Strasbourg had also got rid of Delors who the French Govt thought would stop any investigation in to Du Pont. The UK Labour Party had been one complainant against him because no one would say that he just would n't leave the job even if he had been convicted in office.
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duncan124:
I still vividly remember the Du Pont Chemicals arriving in the factory. They arrived in large plastic bottles and at first we noticed that they smelt; then people who used them said if you see any more of them arriving tell me, then people ran away when they saw them.But you had to do you job or you wont get paid. Two arrived for my care and as I looked at them the phone rang and I was called to the head office so someone else picked them up and it was him who it spilled on when the bottles broke.He died five years latter his skin had dried up and would n't work and even though he had changed and washed the chemicals he carried home on him also did the same for his family.

The salesman in the head office as I walked in to there was going to pick up a cardboard box with some small bottles in and I said don't do it the bottles have to be treated as unsafe but he said 'I ve got to take them' and he took them to the car where they broke on him as I was at the meeting and he died within three days. The MD said we had to go to another site and as we left others chased us flashing their headlights.
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ohnonotthatguy: Chronology your comment @ Outback. Jack you are correct there was an attempt at a Coup in the U.S. back then but was Mr Bush involved? The Coup was more 'Wishful Thinking' than a real conspiracy.
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't that Treason,which is a merit for life in prison and /or death?
If a group of American Rednecks had conspired to topple (coup) the USA government within the White House,They would have been labeled as Terrorist and placed in prison.

Mr.Chrono,Would you suggest sir,if you were their legal council to claim""Wishful Thinking" as their defense to these Rednecks.?

Thousands ""wishfull thinking "" people around the world are prying the death of Americans every single minute they are Terrorist
That a real conspiracy or that ""wishfull thinking "" mr.Chron
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chronology: At the Trial of Aeron Burr the U.S. Court ruled: 'it is not unlawful to plot the overthrow of the United States Government by an American Citizen so long as that Citizen does not act on that plot'.
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duncan124:
Nazis are more about hurting the population, like letting scamers run and fund chemical makers, rather then always running the Govt like the Bushs and the Conservatives think they should be doing.
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lori100
lori100: the guardian--------Obama's justice department grants final immunity to Bush's CIA torturers

By closing two cases of detainees tortured to death, Obama has put the US beyond any accountability under the rule of law-----------------------The Obama administration's aggressive, full-scale whitewashing of the "war on terror" crimes committed by Bush officials is now complete. Thursday, Attorney General Eric Holder announced the closing without charges of the only two cases under investigation relating to the US torture program: one that resulted in the 2002 death of an Afghan detainee at a secret CIA prison near Kabul, and the other the 2003 death of an Iraqi citizen while in CIA custody at Abu Ghraib. This decision, says the New York Times Friday, "eliminat[es] the last possibility that any criminal charges will be brought as a result of the brutal interrogations carried out by the CIA".

To see what a farce this is, it is worthwhile briefly to review the timeline of how Obama officials acted to shield Bush torturers from all accountability. During his 2008 campaign for president, Obama repeatedly vowed that, while he opposed "partisan witch-hunts", he would instruct his attorney general to "immediately review" the evidence of criminality in these torture programs because "nobody is above the law." Yet, almost immediately after winning the 2008 election, Obama, before he was even inaugurated, made clear that he was opposed to any such investigations, citing what he called "a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards".

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duncan124
duncan124:
The Guardian does have its feet in two camps.
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lori100
lori100: NY Times----
By ERIC LICHTBLAU

Published: November 13, 2010-------Nazis Were Given ‘Safe Haven’ in U.S., Report Says---------------------WASHINGTON — A secret history of the United States government’s Nazi-hunting operation concludes that American intelligence officials created a “safe haven” in the United States for Nazis and their collaborators after World War II, and it details decades of clashes, often hidden, with other nations over war criminals here and abroad. -----------------The 600-page report, which the Justice Department has tried to keep secret for four years, provides new evidence about more than two dozen of the most notorious Nazi cases of the last three decades.

It describes the government’s posthumous pursuit of Dr. Josef Mengele, the so-called Angel of Death at Auschwitz, part of whose scalp was kept in a Justice Department official’s drawer; the vigilante killing of a former Waffen SS soldier in New Jersey; and the government’s mistaken identification of the Treblinka concentration camp guard known as Ivan the Terrible.

The report catalogs both the successes and failures of the band of lawyers, historians and investigators at the Justice Department’s Office of Special Investigations, which was created in 1979 to deport Nazis.

Perhaps the report’s most damning disclosures come in assessing the Central Intelligence Agency’s involvement with Nazi émigrés. Scholars and previous government reports had acknowledged the C.I.A.’s use of Nazis for postwar intelligence purposes. But this report goes further in documenting the level of American complicity and deception in such operations.

The Justice Department report, describing what it calls “the government’s collaboration with persecutors,” says that O.S.I investigators learned that some of the Nazis “were indeed knowingly granted entry” to the United States, even though government officials were aware of their pasts. “America, which prided itself on being a safe haven for the persecuted, became — in some small measure — a safe haven for persecutors as well,” it said.
----------------------The Justice Department has resisted making the report public since 2006. Under the threat of a lawsuit, it turned over a heavily redacted version last month to a private research group, the National Security Archive, but even then many of the most legally and diplomatically sensitive portions were omitted. A complete version was obtained by The New York Times.

The Justice Department said the report, the product of six years of work, was never formally completed and did not represent its official findings. It cited “numerous factual errors and omissions,” but declined to say what they were.

More than 300 Nazi persecutors have been deported, stripped of citizenship or blocked from entering the United States since the creation of the O.S.I., which was merged with another unit this year.

In chronicling the cases of Nazis who were aided by American intelligence officials, the report cites help that C.I.A. officials provided in 1954 to Otto Von Bolschwing, an associate of Adolf Eichmann who had helped develop the initial plans “to purge Germany of the Jews” and who later worked for the C.I.A. in the United States. In a chain of memos, C.I.A. officials debated what to do if Von Bolschwing were confronted about his past — whether to deny any Nazi affiliation or “explain it away on the basis of extenuating circumstances,” the report said.

The Justice Department, after learning of Von Bolschwing’s Nazi ties, sought to deport him in 1981. He died that year at age 72.

The report also examines the case of Arthur L. Rudolph, a Nazi scientist who ran the Mittelwerk munitions factory. He was brought to the United States in 1945 for his rocket-making expertise under Operation Paperclip, an American program that recruited scientists who had worked in Nazi Germany. (Rudolph has been honored by NASA and is credited as the father of the Saturn V rocket.)

The report cites a 1949 memo from the Justice Department’s No. 2 official urging immigration officers to let Rudolph back in the country after a stay in Mexico, saying that a failure to do so “would be to the detriment of the national interest.”
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