How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline (Page 9)

SWlNE:
Your question: When the US President says something...do you accept his words as fact or opinion?

My question: What is the US President saying? -State it and I'll answer if it is fact or opinion.

Seems simple. Don't run away now.

davidk14: .

Does not matter what I say. Does not matter what the president is saying. Do you accept what people say as fact or opinion?

You condemned me when I stated fact and said it was opinion.

So, do you consider what people say that do not conform their speech with yours, as opinion?

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SWlNE:
If you took the time to read what I've been stating all along, you'd see that each point you made is incorrect. I will take my time and go through each with you again.

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Your Point #1: Does not matter what I say. Does not matter what the president is saying. Do you accept what people say as fact or opinion?

Response: Incorrect. What a person state matters in assessing if it fact/opinion. Not only what they state but the information they'll be privy to as it relates to what is being said.

Simplified version of the above: What is said matters. What is said is what will be placed as 'fact' or 'opinion'.

Direct answer : It will depend on what the person is saying.

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Your Point #2: You condemned me when I stated fact and said it was opinion.

Response: Incorrect. I stated that your view that Israel is 'correct', is your opinion and is acknowledged. It is not 'condemnation. The news articles that you read is known to everyone else. Don't feel too special.

Simplified version of the above: Your belief is noted, little dramaqueen. Relax.

Direct answer: I didn't condemn your opinion, I stated that it is acknowledged.

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Your Point #3: So, do you consider what people say that do not conform their speech with yours, as opinion?

Response: I accept the meaning of the word opinion, which is: a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

Simplified version of the above: Potato.

SWlNE:

Now I direct your same question back to you:

Since we know now that to you it doesn't matter what a person say. Do you have a generalised view that what persons say is fact or what they say is opinion? -Which one do you tend to go with.

davidk14: .

In other words...you have no idea. I acknowledge that point.

Regarding your question...

Say what you mean...and mean what you say.

If I say the world is round, that is not an opinion, it is fact. If I say the earth revolves around the sun, that is not an opinion, it is a fact. If I say the moon revolves around the earth, that is a fact and not an opinion.

So, the moon revolves around the earth, the earth revolves around the sun.

That is not an opinion.

So when the president says the moon revolves around the earth and the earth revolves around the sun, is the president stating an opinion, or is he stating fact?


When I say the same, am I stating opinion or fact?


David said on prior page (which responded to your nonsense):

The big picture is that Israel is correct regarding the document the US signed with Iran.

The US administration sent a high level military commander to Israel after the deal was signed to calm them with promise of weapons to defend themselves and also threw in the spy as part of the calming deal. I would not be surprised if Israel told the US behind closed doors that they will absolutely attack Iran if they produce a bomb.

Filth responded:

You forgot to add:

"I believe that..."


David now responds:

Calling me a liar?

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SWlNE:
The question: Since we know now that to you it doesn't matter what a person say. Do you have a generalised view that what persons say is fact or what they say is opinion? -Which one do you tend to go with.

Are you stating that your answer to the above is: Yes, you have a generalised view that what a person say is fact.

SWlNE:
Keep in mind you said "Does not matter what I say. Does not matter what the president is saying."

So it can be equally said that you can say the world is flat and so does the President.

In your view this will be a default 'fact', since it doesn't matter WHAT is said, you just place all things said as either fact/opinion.

davidk14: .

Filth said:

The question: Since we know now that to you it doesn't matter what a person say.

David responds:

That is a lie.

Filth said:

Do you have a generalised view that what persons say is fact or what they say is opinion? -Which one do you tend to go with.

David responds:

I fact check. Then make my determination.

Filth said:

Are you stating that your answer to the above is: Yes, you have a generalised view that what a person say is fact.

David responds:

Generalized view?

Filth said:

Keep in mind you said "Does not matter what I say. Does not matter what the president is saying."

David responds:

Correct. It matters what the words mean. It does not matter what I say…or anyone for that matter. It matters what the words mean. Are they truthful or un-truthful (ie: lie)

Filth said:

So it can be equally said that you can say the world is flat and so does the President.

David responds:

I would respond that the above statement is a fact.


Filth said:

In your view this will be a default 'fact', since it doesn't matter WHAT is said, you just place all things said as either fact/opinion.

David responds:

Default fact. The world is round.

Correct. Does not matter who said it. It is fact.

davidk14 restates a fact:

The US administration sent a high level military commander to Israel after the deal was signed to calm them with promise of weapons to defend themselves and also threw in the spy as part of the calming deal. I would not be surprised if Israel told the US behind closed doors that they will absolutely attack Iran if they produce a bomb.

davidk14: .

oh....fyi...

Just out today....

Israeli spy Pollard to be paroled in November (Pollard's lawyer)


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SWlNE:
Filth said:
The question: Since we know now that to you it doesn't matter what a person say.

David responds:
That is a lie.

Requoting your response to my statement when I said that what is said, matters.: "Does not matter what I say. Does not matter what the president is saying."

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Filth said:
So it can be equally said that you can say the world is flat and so does the President.

David responds:
I would respond that the above statement is a fact.

CHECK: The world is not flat. Davidk. Your opinions are acknowledged as with your opinion that Israel is correct.

davidk14: .

And we come full circle to your nonsense.

It is not my opinion I posted. It is fact.

You still have not posted anything to prove that it is not factual.

Therefore, until you do....moving forward...just believe I have told you the truth.


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SWlNE:
We came learnt a few things:
1) What is said matters.
2) Your question: When the US President says something...do you accept his words as fact or opinion? was pure childish bullshit.
3) Your inability to accept that what is said matters in knowing if it fact or opinion shows how serious I should take you.


4) Your belief that Israel is 'correct' is acknowledged.

davidk14: .

filth said:

We came learnt a few things:

1) What is said matters.

david responds:
True.

Filth said:

2) Your question: When the US President says something...do you accept his words as fact or opinion? was pure childish bullshit.

david responds:

That is your opinion not supported with fact.


Filth said:

3) Your inability to accept that what is said matters in knowing if it fact or opinion shows how serious I should take you.

david responds:



Nice try.

Filth said:


4) Your belief that Israel is 'correct' is acknowledged.

david responds:

Thank you for not lying.

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SWlNE:
Your question: When the US President says something...do you accept his words as fact or opinion? was pure childish bullshit.


Then why don't you answer it right now. Plainly using one of your choice words:

a) Fact
b) Opinion

davidk14: .

Obama states fact....as he sees it. Its just like when Clinton said that he did not have sex with that woman. He believed it as fact knowing it was a lie. It was not an opinion. Obama lies to please his constituents as well as most politicians lie to please their constituents, their lobbyists and their fund raisers.

That is one of the reasons that Trump leads in the polls. He is financially self sufficient and does not need to beg anyone for funds. Fact...not opinion.

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SWlNE:
Then your answer to the question: when the US President says something...do you accept his words as fact or opinion?

Your answer to your question is: I accept it as Fact

SWlNE:
Yes?

davidk14: .

Yes.

The question is do I accept what he says as fact or opinion? Fact.

However, in the same breath, what the president says many times is untruthful but he considers the fact as truth and wants you to also consider the proven untruthful as fact.

Therefore....he lies through his teeth.

He's a lawyer.

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SWlNE:
There's a misunderstanding on the meaning of the words: opinion, fact and lie.

A fact can not be a lie.

I'll give you an example:

When Clinton stated he didn't have sex with the woman, that was not an opinion or a fact. It was a lie.

When Clinton later admitted to having sex with the woman, that was not an opinion or a lie. It was a fact.

[The overall fact is he had sex with the woman. That fact was there even before he commented on it. The moment the act was done, it became a fact.]

When some said "It's correct that Clinton didn't have sex with that woman" or "I believe that Clinton had sex with the woman", prior to his admitting to it. That was not a fact, or a lie. It was an opinion.
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I wouldn't settle on stating that when the US President says something, as an individual, it's accepted as a fact.

On certain statements, what he (or anyone) state can be a fact. On certain statements, it can be opinions and on other statements it can be (and most of the times with politicians it is) a lie.

Always make that decision based on what is said and how much information that individual will be privy to on the matter.

davidk14: .

Filth said:

There's a misunderstanding on the meaning of the words: opinion, fact and lie.

A fact can not be a lie.

I'll give you an example:

When Clinton stated he didn't have sex with the woman, that was not an opinion or a fact. It was a lie.

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David responds:


We learned after he said the statement that the statement was a lie.

I was watching TV when he pointed his finger at me and said that he did not have sex with that woman, damn, I believed him. What balls. What a liar. However, when he said what he said, I accepted his statement as fact…not an opinion, and also not a lie.

Filth said:

When Clinton later admitted to having sex with the woman, that was not an opinion or a lie. It was a fact. [The overall fact is he had sex with the woman. That fact was there even before he commented on it. The moment the act was done, it became a fact.]


David responds:

The fact was that had lied.


Filth continues:

When some said "It's correct that Clinton didn't have sex with that woman" or "I believe that Clinton had sex with the woman", prior to his admitting to it. That was not a fact, or a lie. It was an opinion.

David responds:

I do not agree. Clinton did not state an opinion. He lied wanting you to believe his lie was actually a fact.

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opinion
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1.a belief or judgment that rests on grounds
insufficient to produce complete certainty.

2.a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

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Filth continues:

I wouldn't settle on stating that when the US President says something, as an individual, it's accepted as a fact.

On certain statements, what he (or anyone) state can be a fact. On certain statements, it can be opinions and on other statements it can be (and most of the times with politicians it is) a lie.

Always make that decision based on what is said and how much information that individual will be privy to on the matter.


David responds:

I agree that before making statements that they should be supported with fact through honest research on the topic.

This president is very good as making shallow statements. This president is also very good at sidestepping controversy such as the Benghazi debacle. Statements were made by numerous administration officials that were less than truthful and many were out and out lies.

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yawaar: extremist in israel are killing gays and palestinian kids

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/31/israeli-military-says-child-killed-in-west-bank-attack-by-suspected-jewish/

davidk14: .

Once again, you are being a racist.

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SWlNE:

Davidk14: "The fact was that had lied."

The response to the above: The fact is he slept with the woman, the lie is his saying he didn't. Simple. Very simple. What you 'accept' or don't 'accept' does not govern what is a 'lie' or the 'truth'. There are some who accepted what Clinton said as a lie, some as the truth. The moment he said the words that he didn't sleep with her, those words were a lie, regardless what you thought.


Davidk14: "I do not agree. Clinton did not state an opinion. He lied wanting you to believe his lie was actually a fact."

The response to the above: Reread what I stated: 'When some said' <-- meaning persons like you and me or anyone who didn't have insight on the matter made a comment on the event we all stated our opinion. When persons said at the time, "he didn't do it or he did it" before knowing the truth or before having solid evidence. That was an opinion.

SWlNE:
Read about that one, Yawaar. A 18 month old and his four year old brother. The killing of any child or babe is really messed up.

"According to the Israeli military, the [suspects] entered the village of Duma, near the city of Nablus, where they set the homes ablaze and scrawled graffiti in Hebrew, including "Long live the Messiah," ''revenge" and "price tag" and then fled the scene."

I'd expect jewish extremist as I'd expect muslim extremist but it says something when persons like Davidk14 condemns the highlighting of the events, the reporting, instead of condemning the actions of the extremist. Childishness again.

yawaar: david it is not being racist, it was to remind you that your crooked theory of 1% muslim extremist is flawed. the extremist have no religion. i'm jew and i think burning a child alive and stabbing the gays does not represent the religion i belong to..
i agree filth.. the extremist are extremist they are neither muslim, nor jew, nor christians