How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline (Page 6)

yawaar:

GeraldTheGnome: Ha, ha, ha ! Jimmy Carter ! The one who sold his soul to the Devil years ago. Both of the videos are partially tripe and both are partly bull$#!7 ! Yeah, only the Palestinians suffer, for starters some Palestinians are treated like crap by some Israelis and other Palestinians. Those no 'road map', Hamas are still made up of cold blooded killers. Some Israelis have been treated by some Israelis and some Palestinians as crap. Most of Carter's words are just bs, so leave your overly biased propaganda off here. Come back with stuff of substance, not just some one-eyed conspiracy theory tripe you found on youtube.

davidk14: .

yawaar quotes the worst US President in a hundred years. Figures.

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GeraldTheGnome: Yep, also showed the word terrorists being used out of context as well as showing a large number of other lies. Israel and the West Bank was under Turkish control, West Bank then they were under Ottoman control, then the British created the Mandate of Palestine in those places, it was not a country by the name of Palestine, then it fractured by to certain controversial processes which as I can see is a burning issue with a number of people. The West Bank fell under the control of Jordan. How many locals complained about it being taken over by Jordan ? Did some of them become Jordanian citizens ? If so then can these and do these citizens that did that renounce or did renounce their Jordanian citizenship which would make them Palestinians that are Jordanians even by the way of citizenship, not just that of a resident ?

Who shattered what truce and why ? Does the heading of this forum tell us the truth or does it lie to us ?

GeraldTheGnome: No, but you are a bigot and Israel is a country though, not a terrorist anyway. A country isn't a life form.

jelapi23: someone says what u dont want to hear,, like carter did,and u cant 'hear' it cause and ONly because you dont want to see reality

GeraldTheGnome: Reality is what it is and reality is that the government is not a terrorist one.

Eagster: Apartheid isn't terrorism per se, Don't think the former Pres was implying Israel is a terrorist state, but that Israel has segregationist like tendecies i guess. somebody correct me if I'm wrong

GeraldTheGnome: It is not a terrorist state, Apartheid was not terrorism but something awful in another way, in some ways some of those in Israel, not Israel itself has segregation like tendencies but not in an Apartheid like manner so please don't insult people from South Africa.

Eagster: Hey tell Carter that not me.

GeraldTheGnome: Carter was and is an idiot and this is about Israel and Gaza, not about Carter so much.

Eagster: You can't criticize Israel for being unfair and or unreasonable without condemning certain Palestinians for not being willing to negotiate, and the people for voting in unreasonable political organizations who have no interest in settling this neverending dispute. Yes,I just defended Israel

GeraldTheGnome: There are some from all sides that aren't willing to negotiate. Negotiation should however not be done with Fatah or Hamas or with anyone of their kind. Israel can't be criticized nor defended, the place is just a country after all. All those that are reasonable on all sides should find a way to resolve things that will make things good for most, Hamas, Fatah and the like and anyone bad from the Israeli side, should be jailed or shot dead depending on each circumstance of each side.

When political parties that can be voted for are made up of three evil groups rather than include one or more reasonably good political groups or others then unless voting is not compulsory puts all voters into 2 decisions, either Donkey vote or choose one of the political organizations even though all are unreasonable. Since in the case of over there there was also threat of militant force on the voters I feel that the voting decisions of most were made by fear for their lives and with the remainder mainly just because they were brainwashed by a certain group.

I support the majority of people from all sides, not that of any government or terrorist group or any one or political party tied with terrorists groups or have ex ones in their ranks.

Eagster: Arguably a country lol.

GeraldTheGnome: What is a country is a country no matter what means were used for making it so.

GeraldTheGnome: Countries aren't people, it's just a place people inside a political boundary are in of opposing ideas, so a country can't be arguably anything.

Eagster: Well if I say tomorrow I'm gonna start my own country in Southeastern Pennsylvania (Where I currently live) and somehow the UN grants me legitimacy by recognizing my country as the real deal would that necessarily make it real? What gives the UN the right to decide who gets a country and who doesn't, that was a rhetorical question i don't expect an answer.

GeraldTheGnome: Certain methods after that would, not just a claim that it's a country and I am of the way of thinking that I don't like the way Israel was created. I never liked the mythology of 'The Promised Land' by anyone of any religion or race or what have you.

GeraldTheGnome: Also I didn't like what the UN did or that of some of the opposing forces in the area before and after that.

GeraldTheGnome: Forces, not just as in the army etc but that of armed individual and unarmed aggressive and sometimes physically violent people.

Eagster: I think we're in agreement to some extent Gerald, I am unequivocally against the idea that Israel "has a right to exist" while you subconsciously think the same thing.

GeraldTheGnome: Israel can't exist or not exist, it is not a life form. Those that are alive in any part of the world from any side that were pushed out of anywhere have the right to live where they once lived, this could make for awkward situations, I understand. For someone that was born there since then also has the right to live there. But those that are alive that deliberately pushed someone out from where someone lived should be punished if those that left left the place by force or other means of coercion. If the person wasn't born there but deliberately pushed someone out then they should be punished.

Eagster: There's a difference between a nation existing and people existing, The nation of Israel is not entitled to exist but obviously living beings are. What I'm saying is that when you take on this idea that Israel the nation has a right to exist you're essentially saying the nation must come into fruition at all cost, even if that means an international body of existing nations acknowledges your legitimacy, Needless to say I don't agree with that way of doing things. The Arabs and the Jews msut discuss how they'll coexist, or if they'll coexist at all.

GeraldTheGnome: Nations don't exist, they are created. So Israel can't exist or not exist. Saying is a vocal expression though it loosely is interpreted these days as other things. So I'm not literally saying anything. Don't claim I believe what I don't believe. Not once did I show 'at all cost', that is the problem with people like you, you have a chip on your shoulder and believe that others want something at all costs because you jump to conclusions and assume that that is so. In fact I showed the opposite of what you are accusing me of. The legitimacy of where ? Referendums are needed, not what most are thinking of doing about it all in that area.