How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline (Page 5)

dave3974: we do not have any" palestinians "in the government in the uk either , where would these "massive " numbers of africans be imprisioned in such a small country and how are they getting there in the first place if the immigration laws are so stric t , , you are making it up as you go along pra

yawaar: U.N. Panel Says Israeli Settlement Policy Violates Law

GENEVA — Israel has pursued a creeping annexation of the Palestinian territories through the creation of Jewish settlements and committed multiple violations of international law, possibly including war crimes, a United Nations panel said on Thursday, calling for an immediate halt to all settlement activity and the withdrawal of all settlers.

Presenting their findings in Geneva after a nearly six-month inquiry for the United Nations Human Rights Council, a panel of three judges, led by, Christine Chanet, of France, said Israel’s settlements had clearly violated the Geneva Conventions, which prohibit a state from transferring its own civilian population into territory it has occupied.

Asked if Israel’s actions constituted war crimes, Ms. Chanet replied that its offenses fell under Article 8 of the International Criminal Court statute. “Article 8 of the I.C.C. statute is in the chapter of war crimes,” she said at a news conference. “That is the answer.”

Israel’s Foreign Ministry quickly dismissed the report as “counterproductive and unfortunate” and said it provided a reminder of the Human Rights Council’s “systematically one-sided and biased approach towards Israel.”

Israel “must cease all settlement activities without preconditions” and start withdrawing all settlers from the occupied territories, the judges state in their report, which is due to be debated in the Human Rights Council in March.

The panel drew on 67 submissions from a cross section of academics, diplomats, Israeli civilian organizations and Palestinians, Ms. Chanet said. Israel refused to cooperate with the investigators, who as a result were unable to visit the West Bank and went instead to the Jordanian capital, Amman, to take testimony.

The council’s decision last March to investigate the effect of Jewish settlements on Palestinian rights prompted Israel to break off cooperation with the council, castigating it as a political platform used “to bash and demonize Israel.” The panel’s report came two days after Israel boycotted a council review of its human rights, becoming the first country to withhold cooperation from a process in which all 193 United Nations member states have previously engaged.

The United States has condemned Israel’s settlement policy as unhelpful and an obstacle to achieving a two-state solution to the Palestinian issue, but it also opposed the creation of the fact-finding mission, saying at the time that it was an example of the council’s bias against Israel, that it did not “advance the cause of peace” and that it would “distract the parties from efforts to resolve the issues that divide them.”

The panel noted that Israel had established about 250 Jewish settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem since 1967, with a combined population now estimated at 520,000. It said the settler population was growing much faster than the population of Israel outside the settlements.

The report quotes the Israeli finance minister, Yuval Steinitz, as saying in November that the government had doubled the budget for West Bank settlements “in a low-key way because we didn’t want parties in Israel or abroad to thwart the move.”

The result is “a mesh of construction and infrastructure leading to a creeping annexation that prevents the establishment of a contiguous and viable Palestinian state and undermines the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,” the report concludes.

These actions fall under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, the panel noted, and if a future Palestine state ratified the Rome Statute, which created the court, Israel could be called to account for “gross violations of human rights law and serious violations of international humanitarian law.”

The report was welcomed by Palestinian officials and some settlement opponents in Israel. Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization, said in a statement that it documented “illegal Israeli practices without any ambiguity.”
Frances Raday, an Israeli professor of law and a human rights advocate, told Israeli television that the report “gives unusual encouragement to attempts that already exist to boycott settlements and Israeli institutions and Israel as a state because of the settlements.”

According to the report, Palestinians’ rights to freedom of movement and expression, as well as their access to places of worship, education, water, housing and natural resources, “are being violated consistently.”

The settlements are maintained through “a system of total segregation” between the settlers, who enjoy a preferential legal status, and the rest of the population, the report concludes. The settlements have resulted in the creation of legal zones in which settlers are subject to Israeli laws but Palestinians come under a patchwork of military orders and laws dating back to Ottoman and British rule, the report says.

The panel also expressed its grave concern at the high number of Palestinian children who were detained, some for minor offenses. They were “invariably mistreated, denied due process and fair trial,” the report said, and many were transferred to detention centers in Israel, also a violation of international law.

The report took note of an increase in reports of settler harassment of Palestinian children since 2010 and criticized acts of violence and intimidation by settlers, including burning crops, vandalizing olive trees, preventing Palestinian farmers from accessing land close to settlements and taking over the farmers’ land.

Six months ago, an Israeli government-appointed commission of legal experts published a report saying Israel’s presence in the West Bank was not occupation and recommending that the state grant approval for scores of unauthorized Jewish settlement outposts there.

The three-member committee, led by Edmund Levy, a retired Israeli Supreme Court justice, confirmed a position long held by Israel: that the territories are not occupied, since Jordan’s previous hold over them was never internationally recognized, and that their fate must be determined in negotiations. Still, fearing international censure, among other things, the Israeli government has not formally adopted the Levy commission’s conclusions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/01/world/middleeast/un-panel-says-israeli-settlement-policy-violates-law.html?_r=0

Eagster: Screw settlements, that's peanuts. Tell me how a one state solution for Palestine isn't fair to jews (who really don't deserve anything) << not anti semetism

dave3974: my be not anti semitic but certainely you are very stupid and a bigot

GeraldTheGnome: People of both sides shatter truces, besides Hamas members aren't saints, not even in this story. Leading to ? Each to their own. I'm more for reality myself.

davidk14: .

Anyone who wants a one state solution is in reality, is calling for the end of the Jewish state known as Israel.

They say it is only fair. If the one state solution takes effect, the non-Jews within just a few years if not months, will be able to vote into power Hamas. Then, all Jews will be forced out of government and laws enacted against the Jewish population. Sharia law will take effect and as in Egypt with the persecution of Christians, Jews would be prosecuted and worse.

Remember, the Hamas charter calls for the extermination of the Jews.

That is why a one state solution will not work and for this reason, will never happen. Anyone calling for a one state solution is calling for the extermination of the Jews.

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GeraldTheGnome: Oh , why do I have the feeling that the one state solution is aimed at me since I am an advocate of it ? I can't see, no matter what happens, that Hamas taking over all of the contentious area.

Israel didn't shatter any truce, Israel is a country, not a person after all.

As much as I hate Hamas I just wonder if it really is just going to do as much to the Jews as you claim, if given the chance ? I'm not asking or calling on the extermination of all Jews, most Jews or even 1/2 of the Jews.

davidk14: .

Gerald said:

Oh , why do I have the feeling that the one state solution is aimed at me since I am an advocate of it ?

David responds:

Ahhh…



Gerald said:
I can't see, no matter what happens, that Hamas taking over all of the contentious area.

David responds:

Then you do not understand that Hamas wants the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews.



Gerald said:

Israel didn't shatter any truce, Israel is a country, not a person after all.

David responds:
Israel is a Jewish state and represents anything that Israel’s elected officials do



Gerald said:


As much as I hate Hamas I just wonder if it really is just going to do as much to the Jews as you claim, if given the chance ?

David responds:

Well, lets see....Hamas fires rockets into Israel to kill Jewish men, women and children. Hamas has stated for years they want to see the destruction of Israel and the death to all Jews. Hamas is supported by Iran who also has stated that they want the destruction and death to Jews.

So, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and looks like a duck…


Gerald said:

I'm not asking or calling on the extermination of all Jews, most Jews or even 1/2 of the Jews.

David responds:

Lets dissect that last a sentence…

I guess you are ok with the extermination of 49% of all the Jews.

I certainly do not think you meant what you say but what you said is disgusting.

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GeraldTheGnome: The Duh isn't on me or towards me, the Duh is on you, no one even implied disgustingly that even 49 % of Jews should be exterminated is okay with me except you. To think that I would think that is okay is disgusting. The other duh moment is thinking that Hamas will just take over Israel proper if a one state solution is ever made, I really don't think there is even a chance in hell that Hamas will be in that position. Your fear is overruling any logic there. There is always one murderous person on each side that deserves to die. Hamas may want this and that but are you giving them too much of a build up ? Do they really want destruction and death to all Jews ?

I never 'said' anything on here for a start and what I did type did not mean anything like 49 %, do not read too much into things that are not there, even about Hamas. Leave the ones that read too much into things on a regular basis to come up with conspiracies and/or sheer yet untrue speculation with what you or they think that I come out with. I'd be going sorry to me right now if I were you.

I know what Hamas do, I'm not not denying or supporting what they have done, I want every member of Hamas executed after all, yes I even do agree that Hamas do break ceasefires, many sides do for valid or invalid reasons.

The old 'destruction of Israel' is a propaganda tool pumped out to the masses, even through the media to a nauseating degree. Show one of the Hamas leaders actually using those words then I'll believe you, not one of those 'specially adjusted' translations, where the translation really didn't match what the guy was really telling people. Hamas are a bunch of murderers though that do get a kick out of killing any innocent Jews or other people, but I think you overestimate how far Hamas can stretch it's power and that of what they can and will do.

GeraldTheGnome: Bouncing from one spot to the next last night because of some Moles is off-putting, yes originally I was going to mention that 'I'm not claiming that Hamas is asking for ...' but instead I put 'I'm not asking or calling..' , still more than one innocent Palestinian or one innocent Jew dead by anyone of any side is one too many, no I never claimed 49 % executed is alright by any side to the other. Stuff any further ceasefires if it means sucking up to Hamas. No deals.

jelapi23: It is Israeli soldiers who used women and children as human shields in their 'sieges'. Only its not their own women and children, so I guess that makes it honky dory

jelapi23: And because the General's Son speaks truth this 'david' calls him a moron.

GeraldTheGnome: Every member of Hamas should be killed, some Israelis soldiers may or may not use human shields, after all the propaganda machine works well on both the Israeli and Palestinian side, so let's not come out with human shields being used by the Israeli soldiers during 'sieges' or during any other time unless it can be proven beyond all doubt. Even if there are some Isreali soldiers that use these 'human shields' for any reason then it is only that of the minority of them, not the majority or 1/2 of them as made out on this forum by a minority of people.

Which General's son speaks the truth and why does David call him a moron ? I lost what you meant there. The mention of all, most or half doesn't mean that anyone can jump to conclusions on here what I mean, unfortunately at least one person did do it.

jelapi23: Gnome, there is video documentation of that.. israel soldiers used Palestinian children for human shields, and women. period. often they use them for target practice too . u need to see more. Gnome, the meaning of what I was talking to 'david' about is in the thread. Gnome, why dont u criticize David for saying Hamas uses human shields. Not ALL of Hamas does that,and ive never seen them do that once , not once.
thas lies that they hide in schools and shoot rockets from them, just more Israeli lies.

GeraldTheGnome: Hamas, uses all unethical means available to get their way, period. They always did, with or without video documentation to prove so, 1/2 of Hamas is still made up of Terrorists, the other 1/2 are made up of former terrorists and/or pro-terrorists funding the Terrorist wing of Hamas. No matter if there is even one Israeli soldier doing what you claim, even if it is true, then you can't tell me that Hamas is better than the worst Israeli soldier.

If the claim or not is true then I very much doubt that your target practice theory is though, it is just another roll out story from the propaganda machine, not that I'm claiming that the propaganda machine from the Israeli side doesn't exist either. It is more than just one side after all that is into gross exaggerations. But hey, it's exactly what I suspect as soon as a story about the Middle East is brought up, the Middle East and those that hear and see anything about the Middle East are prone to it.

Not all of Hamas do certain things, it still doesn't make them good or worthwhile to leave alive. I don't know if they hide in schools and do that or not, yeah it might be a lie, it also might not be, but some Hamas members aren't shy at deliberately shooting at innocent unarmed people, even if those people are kids in school buses. There's a lot of scum in Gaza, the scum needs executed or jailed depending on the severity of the acts of the individual, even in Israel proper the scum from all sides within it should be executed or jailed if the severity of the individuals acts isn't enough for them to be worth executing.

jelapi23: u really need to find out what really goes on over there

GeraldTheGnome: I know what's really going on over there, all the members of Hamas are being arseholes, Fatah are being arseholes, a minority of Palestinians are being arseholes, some of those in the Israeli Government and some of the Israeli military are being arseholes as well as a minority of Israelis and a minority of others are being arseholes. It's really not that hard to understand. So let's not make excuses for any of them. Sure some people from the various sides may swallow the propaganda of a certain side but I won't and I never will. Oh and everyone that feels the urge to put this message of mine into ' ' in their own message, please refrain from doing so. I think everyone knows what I mean without the message being repeated by someone else after all. So yeah, surprise me there, for once.

jelapi23: Im not on any side, I just take the time to find out what is reallygoing on there and what has gone on there

GeraldTheGnome: Really ? Well what is really going on there is what I showed in my last message without the taking of any side.

GeraldTheGnome: I'm not using excuses either.

jelapi23: Israeli Journalist Amira Hass Sparks Furor at Home for Defending Palestinian Right to Resist

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/10/israeli_journalist_amira_hass_sparks_furor

GeraldTheGnome: And I'm sure that there's just as many horror stories from both sides despite any one eyed far left or far right winged crap that frequently shows up on these forums way too much.

jelapi23: Did you even watch the interview with this Israelie journalist? and there r so many other Israelies who r for the rights of the Palestinians , and who know what actually is going on there.

GeraldTheGnome: Yeah there are a lot of Palestinians, Isrealis and others that know what are going on other there, there's also a lot of Palestinians, Israelis and others that don't, that is what I am seeing here.

yawaar: