TERMINATOR DRONES: Rise of the New World Order. (Page 2) Outbackjack: Obama personally authorises these drone strikes and if you are unlucky enough to be in a group like say a wedding party or a childrens birthday party then they can target you and cause mass casualties with little accountability. Obama needs to be stripped of his Nobel Peace Prize. darksomewayside: Here would be an illustration of what the U.S. is doing in Pakistan with its "Terminator Drones". It is aiming at, and getting, terrorists and murderers, who are the enemies of the host (so to speak) country as much as they are of the United States, and of all civilized people. "A U.S. drone strike has killed a senior al-Qaida leader in Pakistan's tribal region near the Afghan border, Pakistani intelligence officials said, in the latest blow to the global terrorist network. Sheik Khalid bin Abdel Rehman al-Hussainan, who was also known as Abu Zaid al-Kuwaiti, was killed when missiles slammed into a house Thursday near Mir Ali, one of the main town's in the North Waziristan tribal area, the officials said. Al-Kuwaiti earlier this year replaced Abu Yahya al-Libi, al-Qaeda's second in command, who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in North Waziristan in June, the officials said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media. But al-Kuwaiti appeared to be much less widely known and was not part of the U.S. State Department's list of most wanted terrorists, as al-Libi had been. Covert CIA drone strikes have killed a series of senior al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders in Pakistan's tribal region over the past few years. But the attacks are controversial because the secret nature of the program makes it difficult to determine how many civilians are being killed. Pakistani officials often criticize the strikes as a violation of the country's sovereignty, which has helped make them extremely unpopular in the country. But senior Pakistani officials are known to have cooperated with strikes in the past, and many people believe they still do. Al-Kuwaiti's wife and daughter were wounded in Thursday's drone attack, according to the intelligence officials. His wife died a day later at a hospital in Miran Shah, another main town in North Waziristan. Al-Kuwaiti was buried in Tappi village near Mir Ali on Friday, the officials said. A Pakistani Taliban commander who frequently visits North Waziristan said he met some Arab fighters on Saturday who were "very aggrieved." The Arabs told him they lost a "big leader" in a drone strike, but would not reveal his name or his exact position in al-Qaeda. The Taliban commander spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of revealing his identity to the Pakistani government. Al-Qaeda's central leadership in Pakistan has been dealt a series of sharp blows in the past few years, including the U.S. commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad last year. A significant number of senior al-Qaeda leaders have also been killed in U.S. drone attacks in the country. But the terrorist group has metastasized, and many analysts believe the biggest threat now comes from al-Qaeda franchises in places like Yemen and Somalia." © The Associated Press, 2012  Eagster: This is why i almost hate my Government, nobody in that country should have to live in fear of being killed by a flying machine. Sad, so damn sad, Great forum though. Eagster: Reminds me of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, totally unjustified but folks who favor bombing mass amounts of humans are gonna make a weak argument that hey we are at war so bombing innocent civilians is totally okay, so long as war has been declared. Smh, Lame sauce darksomewayside: I don't know about TOTALLY unjustified. A war was ended by them. Many lives were saved that would otherwise have been lost.  Illuminatist: If Japan's message of surrender would have gotten through to the proper ally channels, then it would have been unnecessary to bomb them OR invade, as the americans first plans were..  davidk14: . Ummmm....hello....The first nuke was not enough for them to surrender. Hello??? Tens of thousands killed....And they did not surrender. Had every opportunity....It took a second nuke to finally change their minds. You really think they would have surrendered on their own??? Seriously? In every battle, not a few, but every battle, the Japanese would rather fight to the death, which they did, than surrender since surrender was the most cowardly thing to do. Remember, it wasn't the first nuke that changed their minds to surrender, it took the second nuke for them to surrender. .  OCD_OCD: I don't remember getting an apology memo about Pearl Harbor, which was designed to kill as many people as possible and disable our fleet. They wanted the US in the war and, unfortunately for them, they got it.  In the years since, however, The US went to great lengths and expense to build Japan back up and they are now a formidable ally and trade partner. OCD_OCD: One mass murder started it, and one mass murder ended it. I'm not sure I'd call it Karma, but there was a certain sick sense of logic, if you want to call it that. Eagster: The very fact that Humans are using bombs against one another shows humanity hasn't really grasped the whole using logic thing. War is not inevitable but stupid people will start and sadly (at least in America and Israel) support it. Rant over* Eagster: Im not even gonna go there, too tired tonight, Maybe tomorrow I will enlighten you on israel. OCD_OCD: Unless you have done more than read about Israel, there's not much you will probably be able to enlighten anyone on. Eagster: Before i go back to my forum answer this one question, If your land was suddenly given away due to a mandate would you be okay with that? OCD_OCD: It was not "their" land. It had belonged to the British Empire since the Ottoman Empire. There was no nation of Palestine, Eag. Illuminatist: davidk14: . Ummmm....hello....The first nuke was not enough for them to surrender. Hello??? Tens of thousands killed....And they did not surrender. Had every opportunity....It took a second nuke to finally change their minds. You really think they would have surrendered on their own??? Seriously? In every battle, not a few, but every battle, the Japanese would rather fight to the death, which they did, than surrender since surrender was the most cowardly thing to do. Remember, it wasn't the first nuke that changed their minds to surrender, it took the second nuke for them to surrender. . 1 hour ago • Report You should quit watching fox news and t.v. in general, and read once in a while- fact. Fact- Japan tried to send a message to the allies. The following excerpt was taken from a book called- "The Military History of World War II: Volume 9 Asiatic land battles: Japanese Ambitions in The Pacific" The Surrender It was clear to the Japanese government that their nation had been defeated, but the idea of surrender was very distasteful to them. While leaders were debating whether or not to accept the Potsdam Declaration, they tried to make contact with the Allies through the still-neutral Russian government. Russian dictator Stalin did not pass the message on, however. He was preparing to join in the war against Japan, in order to increase Soviet prestige and power in East Asia. As you can see, Japan DID send a message to contact the allies, but it did not go through. Also, it says "While leaders were debating whether or not to accept the Potsdam Declaration"- in other words, they weren't going to necessarily fight it out with the allies; they were considering surrender as a viable means to finish the war. (Some leaders wanted to keep fighting obviously, but others didn't; it's hard to have a 'debate' with a group of people who all see eye to eye; the fact it uses the word "debating" indicates that there were some wanting to surrender) | Politics Chat Room 36 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
