Tea Party hosts ‘Machine Gun Social’

Outbackjack: A Tea Party group hosted a “Machine Gun Social” in Brevard, North Carolina, last Saturday with supporters paying to fire automatic weapons.

The Tea Party plans to use the money to fund political advertisements, but the fundraising drive stirred up a lot of controversy in the town, with many residents saying it was in extremely poor taste and made the entire town look bad.

As reported by local ABC affiliate, WLOS, “We live in a free country, we have the right to do many things that other people don’t have the right to do,” resident Ann Dergara said. “But, yes, I was shocked. Go join the Army if you want to shoot a machine gun. You’re not going to shoot it around your house.”

“I understand Second Amendment rights and that but I think, again, we need to do a little bit more to control guns in America,” resident Howard Johnson opined.

chronology: Jack, don't get angry with me you fine fellow you, but I agree with the Right of Americans to own hand guns. But I agree with you in that there seems no justification at all for any Private Citizen to own automatic weapons of any kind. Machine guns are not designed to kill individuals, they are designed to kill groups of people indiscriminately. Even on single shot mode they are hopelessly inaccurate after 10 metres. One of the reasons the Police had so much trouble containing Michael Ryan was that he was carrying an AK47 which meant they could not risk even approaching him from a distance.

StuckInTheSixties:

"Machine guns are not designed to kill individuals, they are designed to kill groups of people indiscriminately. Even on single shot mode they are hopelessly inaccurate after 10 metres."

But you also say:

"One of the reasons the Police had so much trouble containing Michael Ryan was that he was carrying an AK47 which meant they could not risk even approaching him from a distance."

Those two statements are hopelessly contradictory (which should surprise no one, since they were made by you).

But what the hell, let's look at two very common machine guns. First, the standard firearm used by American military troops, the M16 (which has many variants).

Effective range 550 meters - point target / 880 meters - area target

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle



And let's look at the aforementioned AK-47 (many variants).

Effective range: 400 meters - semi-automatic / 300 meters - full automatic

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

chronology: Can you provide more details, not just links SITS. You are really commited to this subject, so let's read what you have to say.

StuckInTheSixties:

I'm not at all committed to this subject. I simply read Jack's post, then yours, and saw the obvious (and typical) bullshit in your post. If your statement was true, then millions of foot-soldiers worldwide would be carrying weapons that "are hopelessly inaccurate after 10 metres."

OBVIOUS bullshit.

So I thought I'd point that out.

You know the drill, John. You post bullshit, and I point it out, utilizing credible references in doing so. Then you get all pissy-pants about it.

Now, let's read what YOU have to say, Nazi-Boy.

chronology: The impression I am finding here SITS is that you have experienced some vivid personal impressions with firearms. One naturally wishes to tread carefully around experiences which are personal to another person, so I think I shall leave it here Old Chap.

StuckInTheSixties:

John, the Nazi-Boy says:
"The impression I am finding here SITS is that you have experienced some vivid personal impressions with firearms."


I have no idea what "vivid personal impressions with firearms" is supposed to mean. My best guess is that you think I have substantial experience and interest in firearms.

Um ... nope. Not really.

I have very marginal firearms experience. I used to do the father/son hunting/fishing thing when I was a kid. Since then I've done just a little bit of recreational target shooting - you know, shooting aluminum cans sitting on a log out in the woods, that sort of thing - but not for many years. I've also done some skeet shooting (I was pretty good at that), but again. not for many years. I have not owned or possessed any firearm since I was a teenager ... let's call it forty-something years ago.

Very marginal firearms experience.

I'm not particularly interested in firearms, either. I am, however, interested in history, politics and military affairs, so I suppose some information rubs off on me that way. I also just pay attention to the world around me.

Mostly what I have is a little common sense, and the knowledge that nearly every post you ever make contains some sort of bullshit. It's just something you do for some reason. You just post stuff that is bullshit expecting that people will accept it, I suppose. Why you want to do that is anyone's guess.

So while I'm lacking in "vivid personal impressions with firearms," I have no lack of "vivid personal impressions with" your bullshit.

I have a fair amount of experience in detecting your bullshit. Over some four years or so I've exposed your bullshit posts more times than I can remember, dozens of times, for sure. You make it so easy to do, and because you're such a schmuck, it's worthwhile, and kind of fun.

You post bullshit that is so OBVIOUSLY bullshit, and I spend a few minutes Googling up a few references, and I refute your bullshit in posts that follow yours.

In this case, you posted the OBVIOUS bullshit statement that machine guns "are hopelessly inaccurate after 10 metres."

That would be kind of like saying: "Automobiles are hopelessly unsteerable over 50 kilometers per hour" or "bananas are hopelessly toxic if more than one are eaten per week" or any other totally bullshit statement.

So feel free to "leave it here Old Chap."

Or feel free to respond.

dave3974: nice to see 2 americans that know about firearms having a professional discussion

StuckInTheSixties:

chronology/John/Nazi-Boy is, I'm pretty sure, a Brit (and a twit).

His knowledge of firearms is obviously pretty much non-existent.

My knowledge of firearms is marginal, as I've already asserted. You really don't need to have intimate knowledge of firearms to know that modern-day soldiers carry machine guns, and that their firearms aren't "hopelessly inaccurate after 10 metres," as John/Nazi-Boy has asserted. All one needs to know those things is a modicum of awareness of the world around us, and a little common sense.