Bachmann and 4 other Republicans claim Islamist infiltration in US, McCain fires back (Page 2)

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OCD_OCD: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysis/Outside-View/2012/07/31/Outside-View-Dont-ask-dont-tell-for-Muslim-Brotherhood/UPI-69991343730600/

This is actually a very interesting article.
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OCD_OCD: Excerpt at the end of the article:

"The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 as an extremist group seeking to use violence to achieve its mission of global Shariah influence. Today, it is the world's most influential Islamist movement. Although it later renounced violence, Muslim Brotherhood has been farmed it out to splinter groups -- thus modifying its approach but not its ultimate objective.

Bachmann's critics describe her letter as "sinister." Though well-meaning, their political correctness attacks are what Muslim Brotherhood banks on. Just like "The Shadow's" sinister overtone, a similar overtone attaches whenever questioning of Islamic influence arises, with the focus then shifting to the questioner's intentions and not the Muslim Brotherhood's.

The real issue we need confront isn't Huma Abedin but understanding -- based on its self-declared intentions -- what evil lurks in the heart of an Muslim Brotherhood whose influence permeates so much of Muslim culture, especially as it establishes a foothold in America.

Sadly, political correctness deters us from doing so. Instead, we adopt a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, turning a blind eye to the Muslim Brotherhood even when its blueprint for destroying America is right there in front of us."

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OCD_OCD: I'm for keeping an eye on all of them. Far right, far left and any sort of religious extremist groups...Christian, Muslim, Jewish, doesn't matter. All of them. And political correctness shouldn't keep us from asking the right questions and paying attention to past actions or future agendas.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

West backpedaled so furiously he probably threw out a hip. His statement was unambiguous, and meant as red meat for his audience. He said that they were members of the Communist Party.

Either he believed that statement, or he was flinging bullshit.

Take your pick.



Bachmann's loony McCarthyist accusations do NOTHING to aid in addressing reasonable concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood, and do much to add to the murkiness of the issue. She's a loon.

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OCD_OCD: And again, why focus on the hype instead of the real issue which is whether we should be paying attention to the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood and how it can/will affect our governmental policies. Did you read the "don't ask, don't tell" article?
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OCD_OCD: The Congressional Progressive Caucus was founded in 1991 by Bernie Sanders-the openly socialist then Congressman from Vermont, Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and the radical Washington DC based "think tank" Institute for Policy Studies (IPS).

Many members were and continue to be linked to DSA and/or the Communist Party USA, IPS or other radical organizations.

From small beginnings the CPC has grown to embrace more than 80 members of Congress and three in the Senate - Roland Burris, Bernie Sanders and Tom Udall (NM).

http://keywiki.org/index.php/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Don't throw out the facts with the hype.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

You pick your topics, and others will pick theirs. In this case, the topic was Bachmann, and that idiotic letter sent to State.

As for West, I'm taking his words at face value. Silly me.

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OCD_OCD: OK. I was trying to answer both queries. One about the statement Allen West made and one about why Bachman was concerned. I don't like Bachman either, but that doesn't mean there isn't a reason to be concerned about radical political or religious factions gaining power within our government.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties:

It does mean that if she goes all McCarthy on someone, she should be called for it.

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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: I agree, but as the article above stated, the misdirection about Hillary Clinton's aide was not directly about the aid herself, but about the ties her immediate family has to the Muslim Brotherhood.

If I had family members that were Black Panthers or Ecoterrorists, I'd expect them to look at me a little funny if I held a job with the EPA or the NAACP.
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OCD_OCD: Communist Party infiltration of the Democratic Party

Communist Party USA plans to infiltrate and manipulate the Democratic Party can be illustrated by direct quotes from Communist Party literature.

In 1972, Gus Hall, then leader of the Communist Party USA, wrote in his book, "A Lame Duck in Turbulent Waters," describing what had been the long-time party policy:[10]
Our electoral policy has for 25 years been expressed in the phrase, 'the three legs of a stool'....The stool was constructed at a time when the Party was under sharp attack....a reflection of the Party's response to the difficulties.

The flexibility was contained in the idea that no one leg of the stool was the main leg. Depending on the political pressures, one could choose a particular leg or legs. In fact the concept was built on the idea that when the other two legs, namely, the Communist Party and the forces of political independence, got strong enough, then and only then would the stool sit on three legs. But until that day comes the one operating leg would be the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

Hall, writing this in 1972, at that time claimed that he had decided the policy was wrong. It is apparent, however, from later quotes and actions of top Communists, including Hall, that the policy was in fact been continued and even augmented.
Gus Hall himself said at the time:

We are going to work towards independence, but I think it is clear we are going to work with people who for some time will be 'riding two horses' in the field of political action.
Mitchell on moving the Democrats left

Charlene Mitchell, then Executive Director of the African-American Commission of the Communist Party USA, wrote in the Peoples Daily World June 9, 1983:
To date, most of the debate has centered on the personalities of potential Black candidates and the pros and cons of such a challenge. The thrust of such a candidacy must be to develop the popular electoral base to prevent the Democratic Party from continuing its shift to the right and force a more progressive platform and program in the 1984 campaign.
Mitchell went further in the March 1989 issue of Political Affairs, the monthly theoretical journal of the Communist Party USA;

We see building political independence based on the alliance of labor with the African-American community as the aim for changing the relationship of forces in elected office. The Party Program maintains the ultimate expression of this would be a mass anti-monopoly people's party...

From the standpoint of process, even if it is currently developing primarily through the Democratic Party, the fact that labor, the Rainbow Coalition, and the African-American community are the main generators of the new developments substantiates our policy and our historic approach of basing the building of political independence on the alliance of the trade union movement and the African-American people...

Should the party strive to play a leading role helping those forces gain and consolidate new positions of strength, even inside the Democratic Party or shouldn't it?, I think it should.
How is our party going to develop its all-sided electoral presence? This cannot and should not repose solely on Communist or Left-independent candidates. Not if there is any intention of emerging as an integral component of the overall progressive coalition. especially in view of the fact that the Jackson-led progressive wing of the Democratic Party is that coalition's major organized. component.

http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Communist_Party_USA
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OCD_OCD: CPLAN

In the late 1980's Communist Party USA publications also specifically described a party apparatus for directly influencing the votes of Congress and even Congressional and Presidential Elections. This was called CPLAN, or the Communist Party Legislative Action Network.
This network was organized to influence other mass organizations cooperating with the Communists through the "All Peoples Front" to stimulate telephone networks and letter writing campaigns to influence Congress on legislation and even to reach voters regarding election campaigns.
The May 1987 issue of Political Affairs described CPLAN in more detail:
Every party organization should assign a comrade to be in touch with the legislative and political action department of the Central Committee. This could be a key for rapid mobilization.
The aim is to activate within a day or two all party organizations, as well as our mass movements connections, to pressure their Senators and Representatives. . .
Nationally, CPLAN would be ableto generate tens of thousands of letters, telephone calls, mailgrams, etc....There are few questions on which CPLAN cannot make the difference in how at least 5 to 10 Senators or Representatives would vote...
CPLAN is an important means of strengthening the unity of the independent forces, and this could have a great bearing not only on the l00th Congress but on the 1988 electoral struggle.
The same issue of Political Affairs went on to say:
When account is taken of the Party district and club organizations, as well as the thousands of trade unions, coalitions, and mass organizations on the grassroots, citywide, and national levels that Communists belong to, help lead, are active in, have friends, relatives, and contacts in, then the answer as to how to organize a Party legislative apparatus, as well as the Party's potential for influencing the legislative scene, become clear. . .the basis for an extraordinary legislative action network that could impact on the l00th Congress in a major way.
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OCD_OCD: Running as Democrats
In 2010, in a report prepared for the Communist Party 29th National Convention, several members of the Young Communist League USA wrote;[13]
Currently, the conditions rarely if ever allow us to run open Communists for office. When members do run for office, it is within the auspices of the Democratic Party. Otherwise, we find ourselves supporting progressive (and in some instances not-so-progressive) Democratic candidates. Despite how much many of us would love to run comrades for office as Communists, we all agree that this is how we currently have to function in this political climate.
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OCD_OCD: http://peoplesworld.org/save-the-children-tax-the-rich

Link from the Party Voices CPUSA.org site.

Excerpt:

"The way out of this crisis is to stop blaming the victims and to make the wealthy culprits pay.

It is irresponsible and immoral not to do so. The time has come to tax them.

Tax them for the children

Tax them until it hurts."

Sound familiar?
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OCD_OCD: U.S. Communists plan 29th convention, call to action

Linked from the Party Voices CPUSA.org site.

http://peoplesworld.org/u-s-communists-plan-29th-convention-call-to-action

by: JOHN RUMMEL
january 25 2010
tags: labor, activism

The Communist Party USA is making plans for its 29th National Convention to be held the weekend of May 21-23 at its national headquarters in New York City.

The convention takes place at what has the potential to be a turning point in the history of our nation. Whether or not that turning point is reached, and the hopes of the 2008 elections are fulfilled, will depend on the building of a broad progressive labor-led democratic movement able to defeat Republican obstructionism and the far-right forces of reaction.

Thus this cannot be an ordinary convention. The four months between now and the convention will see a flurry of activity by the party involving both discussion and action whose goal is to help build such a movement.
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: Dang. Sorry. That looks like a crazy poster. LOL Even the excerpts were long.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

OCD,

There are those that just won't believe the whole Muslim Brotherhood threat. They will just think you are as nuts as lori10.

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Sarcastic Dots: "If I had family members that were Black Panthers or Ecoterrorists, I'd expect them to look at me a little funny if I held a job with the EPA or the NAACP."

My Grandma was in the Hitler maidens therefore I'm a Nazi... Even though my grandfather was in the Royal Air Force. Come on. Obviously if your family members were slave traders than you're a slave traders.

If a had access to all your family records, I could name and shame all of you due to the acquittances you and your family have had. It's political pandering to the deluded, paranoid conspiracy theorists who vote on fear.

And while we're at it, it is a distraction from the real issues: the economic issues. It doesn't matter what it is--communists, Muslims or whatever--there is always a sinister force to blame for the ineptitude of our own politicians. It's always easier to blame a group of people, ones that aren't factually linked to policy, because hell, the most logical conclusion can't be drawn: the only people controlling American society are Americans from a variety of backgrounds.

Suddenly, it's the damn Muslim brotherhood sneaking its way into government. Oh yeah, that needs an investigation, but the behamothic lobbyists who strangle policy makers--and do it in broad daylight--are fine. I mean, at least the lobbyists are a bastion of capitalism and the free market. Western values. Not freedom--not religious and political freedom, at least. Western values are how much freedom a buck can buy you, obviously. Yeah right, western values. I bet Bachmann and her cronies are rubbing their hands in glee as her fans defend the indefensible while the lobbyists are pouring money down the mouths of Republicans and Democrats, of all political and religious persuasions, without anyone caring. But obviously, it's not these people at fault: it's the communists or the Muslim Brotherhood.

Thank you Bachmann, thank you internet, for opening my eyes to a grandiose conspiracy I'm clearly too dumb to see.

And I may be accused of grasping straw. I don't care. Maybe if Bachmann's comments made sense, I would address the issues without grandstanding, but that's clearly not how she, and her voters, respond to debates. I'll just make loud noises and aggressively point my finger, both figuratively and literally, at whoever listens.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

If I recall correctly, lobbyists have to register. Everyone knows who the lobbyists are and what they are doing. In the same way, the Bernie Sanders in the government are not hiding their socialist and communist, progressive politics and for those people who just want to dismiss these facts are themselves, hiding from the truth.

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Sarcastic Dots
Sarcastic Dots: Yeah, but that's the most insulting thing. You have groups of people boasting about their influence on policy, and despite a few condemnations to win votes (Hello, Obama), nobody cares about that. You have, right in front of you, a group of people that control your lives and buy their way into government. I have, for the life of me, no understanding why you have to go following a breadcrumb trail when you have people right in front of changing the country gor their own gain. Not yours.

Who's the bigger threat, the one person that covertly tries to influence politics because, if they were made public, they'd be kicked out, or the people who can openly boast about it and have nobody care?
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davidk14: .

Interesting wiki article on lobbying....the good and the bad....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbying

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Sarcastic Dots
Sarcastic Dots: And one last closing thing, ignoring lobbyists: When Iran and North Korea's political system is in turmoil, who do they blame? Do they blame themselves or a global conspiracy to bring down their government?

Now, if you think that is crazy, then this stuff is equally crazy. It is a deflection of failed policy. Nothing more, nothing less. With Iran, it's America and Britain's fault that that things have gone wrong. In America and Britain, thankfully the majority of the population and politicians are capable of critiquing themselves, but Bachmann is definitely trying to pull an Ahmadinejad here.
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OCD_OCD
OCD_OCD: are we to close our eyes to what the Muslim Brotherhood and the communist party have said are their goals?
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