Is it the end of capitalism?

slasian: I know that the idea of communism for Americans is more disgusting and hideous than the picture of Satan but we are suffering from rotten ^imperialist capitalism^. Look at the price of housing, food and fuel cost in America and Europe. Every day people are forced to sleep on the streets to protest as if those blood suckers will change their attitude towards the canon of social Darwinism.

I am not even talking about Africa and Asia were more than ¾ of the human race live and were almost all of them are being systematically exploited.

A single man can have a 100 million dollar summer house while s/he spent the summer in Barcelona or some other sunny country. Whilst millions undergo the misery of… if we cannot decide upon capitalism, the last thing left for humanity is cannibalism.

Maybe the political system of communism might be stained because of the past 8 decades of dark times, terrorism, arrest and torture in USSR, china or the former East Germany. But every thing is open for improvement and can’t we re-right communism and make it practical?

Why would we let some to have all and all the rest to have nothing?

slasian: Americans can change the world by saying no more capitalism. Just think about it, how many middle classes are going down the row to being poor eh? Is it fair for the world to have the present day economic distribution, 90pc of the world’s wealth is controlled by 10pc of its inhabitants while the rest 90pc live on 10pc of the world’s asset, is it health for the future of man kind to live under a system that allows the exploitation of the multitude for the sake of the few under the name of Democracy and free market?
History can be the witness of all our political systems down fall. Feudalism, Tribalism, colonialism, Fascism, Militarism, Monarchical and many other isms had been tasted and failed. Maybe some of you might say even communism but the exact communism had never even been though properly. All those communists were power seekers and dictators. Know history is about to witness the fall of capitalism with in the coming few decades my point shall humanity also fail with it?

slasian: Oky, seems like no one cares and its fine so that you can watch Italy going down the aisle with Greece. Then the entire Europe will suffer the current Euro zone crises. While our rotten cunt like capitalism nibbles through America’s economy even no one has cared to mention it in the NOT GREAT ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement.















Does the government still terrorize the people who even think about communism like the J. McCarty’s era? WELL I KNOW SOME HERE FOLLOWS McCarthyism AS THE TRUE CANON OF AMERICAN MENTALTIY I SAID DATS BU’SHIT

HardcoreHerbivore: I can remember in high school when our "teachers"were telling us how superior capitalism is to communism.I liked the ideals of communism over that of democracy.This was in the 80s when the cold war was at its peak.Our teachers told us about all the things that the Russian citizens couldn`t buy because of their communist society.They didn`t mention the fact that it was our "democratic countries"putting trade embargoes and sanctions on communist countries that screwed them.

Democracy; elected representatives of the people?How many people who weren`t millionaires ever ran for president or prime minister?Millionaires in government are only representing the needs of other millionaires!!" In order for one to be wealthy one must be morally corrupt"-Socrates.

As long as people subscribe to the idea that the "holy dollar" will provide them with the all happiness that they seek;then capitalism,or some form of it,will never die!!!

I am a pinko-commie!!!

slasian: Good points on the economic embargo, but the present economic crisis, does't it a sign that the system we are following is cracking and it might be the beginning of the end of capitalism?

HardcoreHerbivore: Definitely!! I think that it is inevitable that capitalism will fail,and globalization is accelerating its demise.But I think that as long as material wealth is valued,especially by the poor,a new "pyramid scheme" will eventually emerge.Take the avatar sands(oil sands,tar sands)in northern Alberta,Canada, for example.It is a f##king disgrace!!The air pollution,the earth is like a massive toxic desert,many native communities are being poisoned from the fish and drinking water.Why is all this allowed to happen?It`s because the people at the bottom are given good paying jobs and they can buy houses and expensive cars and they are the ones would fight to keep the project running.

slasian: I had seen that place in a documentary and God... you know there are worst cases all over the world than Canada and trust me if we continue like this, capitalism will even put for sell us and the planet to some aliens no exaggeration at all Man, this is really what our so called democrat and capitalist politicians .

slasian: I think the occupy wall street moment could be a nice spot to ask the real nature of capitalism? if people in Europe and North america are demonstrating against economic problems imagine the feeling in Africa, Asia and Latin America. Just think about it more than half the people in these Continent go to bed empty stomachs, had no access to electricity, health centre or pure water yet almost half of the row material in the market is from these continents.

Comrade_: I remember reading a newspaper article on something on this topic. The writer was explaining that we have Capitalism as the zenith of all economic modules as if we have arrived and no need to look for an alternative. In schools it is taught as perfect and good but in reality there are some serious flaws with it that we choose to ignore. He also said that it seemed to go hand in hand with democracy but with China as an example, Capitalism was working without democracy.

In truth I think we've settled with capitalism, strangely it is "working" in the East. Then where did we fail?
On paper capitalism & communism isn't bad, they can work. We never had pure 100% Capitalism but to put an end to Capitalism means you must be prepared to provide a suitable alternative...

Znthnk: Both ideologies have good critiques of the other, yet each one has problems. Now we have the very rich privatizing the profits and socializing the risk/loss (bailouts, subsidies, etc)

This illustrates it perfectly: http://www.markfiore.com/clapper_0

Znthnk: "to put an end to Capitalism means you must be prepared to provide a suitable alternative..."

It is putting itself to an end all on its own.. keep an eye on the Euro crisis..

Comrade_: True a bit.
I'm not an economist but I can only give an opinion: I don't see the Euro crisis as ending Capitalism since it is very much alive and working in the East as well as other countries. I think Capitalism is primitive and we should seek to develop better system one that reflect our growth as humans a humanistic model if that's possible.
The people who fuel Capitalism isn't the bankers or wealthy minority, but instead it is the majority of us who buy and put the labour.

Znthnk: Any system that increasingly benefits a decreasing proportional minority is unsustainable. The impetus for the majority to support it decreases. Not to mention the planet cannot support an economic system that hinges on ever-increasing economic growth. After the tech bubbles and housing bubbles.. now come the bailout bubbles..

There is no pure "capitalism" or "communism/socialism". Unless one argues that everything must be owned, or everything must be shared and can point to a real life example.

slasian: ^^^ “but to put an end to Capitalism means you must be prepared to provide a suitable alternative..”

What more practical and some how better alternates is there for us than social democrats? Other thing is that do you think that the multitude can stop fueling the economy while few elites control every market system? If you really think about the crisis in Euro will soon find its way across Atlantic! Debt, production cost vs revenue, too much money on the economy and in the markets, unemployment, too much financing for those f%^&n wars and still unsatisfied need to buy, man trust me its on its way and the end of capitalism is much sooner than we expect it to end.

Every thing that has a beginning has an end, and capitalism is noting more than an old, full of greed and destructive way of sharing the wealth of the world, and when most become poor and few richer than they can be… I think you do recall Marx, he was even hoping that America would become the first communist party since capitalism had practiced for a long time than Russia.

slasian: Capitalism is like a cat, so nice, warm and smart. But the cat, when becomes hungry, will eat its kitten on their first days. Capitalism, just like the cat will eat all those whose business is young and not strong.

devonshane: Capitalism allows me to live the life I want to live. I want pizza, I buy pizza, I want shoes, I buy shoes. Our system of capitalism allows me the choice to live my life, I don't like anything getting in the way of my choices.

Comrade_: True, we all want to get our choices but there's a bigger picture to Capitalism than your pizza or...you.

devonshane: In my life, there is no bigger picture than my choices. I work hard for my money, I use this money to invest for my future, purchase things to make me happy. Individuals provide me with movies, music, food, housing, computers, you name it, for a profit. I purchase these products, or invest in their businesses for a profit, and these products bring comfort and joy. A life of slavery and servitude to the wider collective is a life of poverty.

devonshane: Enjoying a glass of wine and watching my favorite T.V. show more things that capitalism has provided me.

slasian: Mr Devonshane feudalism, militarism or any ism can provide you your piazza and wine as long as you wark hard. The question is not about pizza its about the price of pizza. Another thing what do you think about the Euro crisis? Even Dollar is beginning to look like it had its fine days behind, so don’t you think that it is the time sentence a capital one on capitalism.

devonshane: Inflation, feudalism, militarism, are caused by half-assed idiots in government, not by free individuals trading in a free market. The Euro and the Dollar are fiat currencies backed by debt, too much cheap credit and government deficits. These currency problems are caused by central bank working on behalf of governments not free individuals. We need a sound currency(gold), and economies based on property rights and liberty , not cheap credit and collectivism.

devonshane: Slasian please read The Road To Serfdom by F.A. Hayek or The Theory of Money and Credit by Ludwig Von Mises, then you will understand the problems with the Euro and the dollar.

slasian: we need gold? I think you are bluffing.

One more thing those half-assed idiots will always be on the haste to make money out us, just think more than 90pc of the wealth of the world is in the hands of the few, big corporations can control every one. Devonshane, the freedom in capitalism is an illusion you are under the power of money. Corporate can even change the world leaders, and have always controlled the policies of any country, what is freedom? Do you think the laws are drafted and ratified by those the majority chooses? They are no other than a veil, a vain mask to the devil behind capitalism, power and control of the majority by the use of resource and capital.

devonshane: Slasian, I hate governments that are corupted by corporations looking for special favors or being protected from competitors. Gold can`t be printed out of thin air like the Euro or the dollar, this ends inflation which keeps prices stable, it also encourages savings which provides capital for investment. Its not capitalism that causes corrupt corporations or governments, it is the lack of individual liberty and property rights. Without propety rights there is no freedom only poverty, and death.

devonshane: Another thing how is the collective dictating how I live my life freedom.

slasian: There is no such thing us collective dictating, some times what we had to know is that we can re-wright communism.

The worst in capitalism is no one can control those who had all the money. And don't you think that it is dangerous for every one to see the world's wealth only in the hands of 10pc of its inhabitants. you know that in capitalism it is very difficult to fairly distribute and in this decade the world is witnessing one its great economic crisis, political uprisings and stuffs like it. Such kind of mayhem in our history are marks of an eras change, and from the looks of it looks like capitalism is about live the building.