Is the United States a Police State? (Page 5)
caramel lady: Yes but you and fog of war were been very nasty with personal comments towards me becuase i mentioning race then there's you mentioning race. the same thing you were both having a go at me for. And i bet you fog of war will say nothing to you for quoting figures based on race. He has issues with me wow. No problem just a bit hypocritical, But i do get your points that no group should get preference over another or that we should be grouped together in the first place. And like I said I am not anti american otherwise im a big hypocritical lol
You let your political view cloud your arguments, you are still angry that I pointed out that the crisis America is facing extended beyond the current Administration. I said events & announcements that were made in 2011, that has nothing to do with Obama or any American political party. Get over yourself, I honestly don't care about the politics in another country, only when it affects the world that they can't contain their spending habits.
caramel lady: I Gotcha You-Pokermen with your hypocritical statements calling me racist for mentioning race but you did the exact same thing and where fog of war criticism of you for mentioning race and all the hate lol. He probably taking his knickers out of twist. What is it about me that got him in a spin I wonder.
Comrade_: PokerMan -"All we wanted was to kill Osama and we got what we wanted." - I believe the US went into war in Afghanistan for more that Osama. (How can you settle to think all those lives and money was worth the death of 1 man, be it revenge or justice, and you're satisfied then good for you. Even though you are ignorant about the details, I'm not surprised that that little thing satisfied you, had you question your Government you'd probably find the full details that it was to be more than to kill Osama...but na that'd make you an anti-American right.)
"Its not Americas fault why there are organizations in the middle east and other parts that are anti-American. Maybe they are anti-American because we are free and they are not." -envy? You think that the dislike of the US-Government by some middle eastern organisations and other parts came from simple envy? There are other "free" countries (there are more than your probably think).
"Well while Einstein was working on the 'Manhattan project' to create an atomic bomb, it showed the United States how much intelligence we had to create something of such a magnificence at the time." -note that Einstein and other important scientist to the project were not born/ taught in the US
Caramel Lady, don't waste your time. Pokerman, Fogofwar & Davidk will go at anyone who doesn't praise the US or look on the "positive". Sitting and looking at your positives instead of holding your government accountable (whether it is the party you support or not) is what have the US in most of their woes. No demanding transparency or accountability while your politicians continue to rob you.
It is the habit of other people in the world to demand things from their Governments and to point out the negative in it. The US Government is no exception so if you don't like someone pointing out the wrongs then perhaps you should wake up and do it yourself.
You say that someone is anti-American because they point out the flaws instead of laying back and listing the positive, but you don't see your bias remarks on other countries. Look, I'm not wasting time on people who are sensitive, that you can't make one simple comment without some emotional involvement from another thread coming in.
Since the word racist has raised its ugly head..once again…three questions:
If someone said that the President of the United States is ‘white’, would that be a racist comment?
If someone said that the President of the United States is ‘black’, would that be a racist comment?
If someone who disagrees with the management style, personal beliefs, and direction of the country of the President of the United States, does that show racist tendencies?
PokerMan: Caramel lady says, "Lol which Black people did Hitler talk to the parents of the mixed race children"
Racists acknowledge color and race difference. Fact!
Non-racists don't mention racism or color difference. Fact!
You mentioned 'black' and 'race'
Its the truth.
This was in another forum.
chronology: Racism is more a culture of 'history' in politics. You mention Hitler Pokerman. If Hitler was ever in a room with Churchill he would probably be blushing with embarrassment at the words Churchill used to refer to Black people, or Arabs or Indian people. But no doubt Hitler would have warmed to his guests views on the Russian Revolution being a 'Jew' takeover of Russia (which Churchill believed it was)
Churchill was a blatant Racist, but only because of the times he lived in. Again, Sir Winston was not an 'evil' man, just a man of his times. But it seems Mr Obama could not help but remember Sir Winston's colourful choice of words. Condi Rice seems to have been unfazed by the Bust of Sir Winston in the White House, she may have put Sir Winston's words down to being over-served with his favourite Brandy and cigars (Sir Winston put away about 20 Units of alcohol every day)
PokerMan: Lets start off talking about what I said.
All we wanted was to kill Osama and we got what we wanted. And the Islamic states are mad about this, so what.....they should blame Osama for starting a war with the United States. The United States didn't have to ask Pakistan to go in and take out Osama, because the US knew he was there and knew Pakistan wasnt giving up Osama. Pakistan is pissed and killed those informants feeding information to US intelligence agencies. For the reason they were hiding Osama, we may never know, but we sure got his evil ass. Now we can leave and know justice was served, and any other anti-American world organizations who commit to evils towards America and her people will suffer surely.
PokerMan: Yes its wrong that the United States shouldn't have went into Pakistan without their permission. But if you logically think about it the United States intelligence agencies knew Pakistan wouldn't allow the US to conduct a covert mission on its soil. But what did Pakistan have to hide if anything? Pakistan knew the US has been looking for Osama, for ten years, and knew he was responsible for killing 3000 innocent civilians, justice has been surely served. Pakistan is supposed to be our friends, but was Pakistan really trying to hide Osama? Maybe or not we aren't too sure of that, but does it really matter or does it? We got Osama isn't that all that we really wanted here in the United States? Now its time to pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, justice has been served for the 3000 dead United States of American citizens and the families of those 3000 dead people can finally feel justice has been served.
caramel lady: Thanks Caveman so true,in this point in my life i should hold back from the negative and the negative people. And it was fog of war pokerman who started to mention racist, I just talked about race!!!! There is a difference.But you guys have a point to prove and your total dismissing anything I say ????so lets leave it alone you guys seem to total reject any opinions or discourse that contradicts your own view and side with does of the same political view, shame I thought people would be on a international social network site to take on different points of views Anyway have a nice day.
Caveman I did once go and see a MP but she didn't give a $hit, plus i all about writing letters, i'm fully aware of my legal rights.
In the age of globalisation, migration and global communication is it less about nationality and more about being a citizen of the global village, as i live in the second most diverse city in the world after NYC, I defo see myself apart of the global village, after all the butterfly or domino theories proves that all countries economies are interconnected. For me no country can stand alone without its citizens being greatly affected.(just ask the north Koreans etc.
As for the original question on this post- America is less of a police state than say China that but after the patriot act (pls see other peoples posting for that info or search it urself)well you could argue once a government can interfere with your life without ur permission and with little proof of wrong doing then its moving in the wrong direction in retaining the principles of democracy and freedoms of the people.
Comrade_: Caramel Lady, I didn't post anything on 'race or racism'.
It is a serious topic and stupid when people come online and debate on it as children.
Aryaa: Yes, it is general opinion of people other than USA, that it is a police state.
There is NO such word as 'Charity' or 'Noble Cause' in International Politics.
If any country claims that it helped some other country just for noble cause or charity, I don't buy it.
USA helped Afghanistan because it is strategically located. USA wanted a base there to counteract any possible threats from China and Russia.
Aryaa: Now its time to pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, justice has been served for the 3000 dead United States of American citizens and the families of those 3000 dead people can finally feel justice has been served.
-Only 3000 US lives matter to you?
PokerMan: Aryaa says, "If any country claims that it helped some other country just for noble cause or charity, I don't buy it."
I completely agree with this statement. There has to be something at stake or wanted in terms of a country getting involved or helping another country. Something worthwhile that makes a gain for the US.
PokerMan: How many lives have to be lost before something is done to stop terrorist attacks? Is 3000 enough, I'd say so.
the real slim DEEPy: the united states is not a police state in all ways. federal law has no authority over states, or state law. if you live in california, the local police are NOT obligated to arrest you under federal law, onbly federal officers are allowed to do so. if federal law confilcts with state law, local officers are required to enforce the LOCAL regulations.
the federal government has NO power to force local police men to enforce a federal law- so, if a state refuses to make a local offense complimentary to a federal offense, ONLY FEDERAL OFFICERS can post federal charges in that state. for us to be a true police state, the federal goverment would have to have more authority over local law officers- as it stands, local officers are only required to enforce local law. (hence, the need for local immigration laws and such as was tried in arizona)
PokerMan: Deep, you make a great point there. But as compared to the US influencing its power over other countries in its efforts. I'm more or less talking about the US being a policing country in the world. What is your point of view on this?
the real slim DEEPy: no shit, the world is policed by the us. i would say tho, that the world is taking advantage of us, and benefitting far more than we. we have many allies, and most use our army as pawns...
Comrade_: The US' allies use their army as pawns or is it the US Government that use their army as pawns?
Look where the combat troops are located, are you saying that US' Allies have control of the US troops?
...somehow I see it the other way around.
caramel lady: Hello, I think that puppet film Team America say it all. The issue I have is that a million British people marched against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but Tony Blair had already made a deal with America (Bush) and then lied to the British people. So I think that American governemts do have influence over other nation and that in that instance it was for the benefit of America not the U.K for the invasion, after all our terrorist attack happen 5 yrs after 9/11.
the real slim DEEPy: the intelligence on the WMD"" was british, i seem to think that blair was the one manipulating the situation. britain also used WWII as an excuse to make a bad deal with the palestinians, without the world saying anything against it. WWII also created the easterna block and NATO, and NATO is where our troops are most concentratedin peacetime, that, and in allied countries that were/are in danger of being overtaken by communism. the treatiers which endede the world wars created a situation where the world DEMANDED russia, britain and america of policing palestine, eastern europe, NATO. if you want to know who is pulling ths sdtrings, i would say look at who had influence over or benefit fron, the treaty of versaii and the other treaties which ended the world wars.