Is the United States a Police State? (Page 3)

davidk14
davidk14: .

Caveman said:

Before this economic situation started with the debt ceiling, this is a brief timeline in one year:

1. Announced Osama killed
2. Announced plans for the US Military to pull out of Afghanistan (other countries plan to pull out too)
3. Announced that the US will not be focusing on nation building in Afghanistan but instead focus on Al Qaeda's safe havens & get the Afghan government to reconcile with the Taliban
4. Debt issue (need to raise the ceiling

David responds:

Oh you are wrong on a few points oh great Caveman. Yes, Osama may he burn in hell for eternity, was killed in the past year. However, Obama during his run for the presidency vowed to get out of Afghanistan, letting the Taliban know they won. The debt ceiling was raised once before during his presidency so the debt issue has been addressed before. He also said that he would balance the budget and cut the deficit in half during his run for the office. But then he made many promises that he has not kept…go figure. This debt issue has been in the making for years and he has not helped one bit, but to the contrary, he and the liberal left in congress and the senate have added fuel to the fire by overspending trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars increasing the GDP to debt ratio to 100% in just a few years.

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Comrade_
Comrade_: I know the debt issue of the US have been one that was building up.

Note that The Timeline is based on 2011, in that order. I didn't see the part where I was wrong.
The US'Government spending habits is not good, and it wasn't good before the present Administration either.


PS, those Announcements were made during this year in that order too.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: PS. Do you think that the wars contributed to the debt? How many more years would they be able to support the army in Afghanistan given the Economic situation that was building (seeing we are aware it isn't a new predicament)?
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caramel lady
caramel lady: no it also means mix up i.e drama im british jamiacan caveman so I should know, thanks neway
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Comrade_
Comrade_: ah I learned something new, I only knew it's used for colourful clothes and dirty dancing.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Those announcements were also made years ago. This is not something new to the year. Poor caveman; you seem to be getting upset.
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caramel lady
caramel lady: But if you must know fog of war I’m not happy that every move I make is being stalked some of these CCTV cameras even look into people houses. Plus any of my personal record can be sold or accessed by government departments or local authorites without my consent which has happened to many people. I am also annoyed that if I have even slightest sign or perception by another of mental illness which the police deem threaten I could be sectioned without my consent( and as a black person this is quite disturbing as the racist way(fact) the mental health department have treated us differently, things have got a bit better) if the government suspected me of terrorism they could keep me without charge (worse in the us with their secret courts and the anti american patroit act-how ironic etc) Tracking devices in mobile phones and cars ( i dont drive) Either way I do appreciate I have more rights and freedoms in this world compared too many other countries. However, the question is when does it stop. In the UK they want to stop strikes and demostrations these are britsh traditions. neway Ur right wing conservative type and even though I’m not a liberal more to the centre. People like me and you probably will not agree on many things lol.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: Announcements made in 2011

1. Announced Osama killed (May 2011)

2. Announced plans for the US Military to pull out of Afghanistan (other countries plan to pull out too) ---U.S. President Barack Obama delivers a televised address from the East Room of the White House in Washington on 23rd June 2011) a Wednesday Night.

3. Announced that the US will not be focusing on nation building in Afghanistan but instead focus on Al Qaeda's safe havens & get the Afghan government to reconcile with the Taliban ---June 2011 ( The White House Office of the Press Secretary. For Immediate Release. Titled "REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON THE WAY FORWARD IN AFGHANISTAN " )

4. Debt issue (need to raise the ceiling)---August 2011



Wasn't this the correct timelines of 2011. My sources are clear, if you believe there is a mix up then I suggest you write to the US, confirm Osama's death and or write a letter on whether or not the US President made those announcements on the respected dates.
As I said, events & announcements that took place in 2011.
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PokerMan
PokerMan: All we wanted was to kill Osama and we got what we wanted. And the Islamic states are mad about this, so what.....they should blame Osama for starting a war with the United States. The United States didn't have to ask Pakistan to go in and take out Osama, because the US knew he was there and knew Pakistan wasnt giving up Osama. Pakistan is pissed and killed those informants feeding information to US intelligence agencies. For the reason they were hiding Osama, we may never know, but we sure got his evil ass. Now we can leave and know justice was served, and any other anti-American world organizations who commit to evils towards America and her people will suffer surely.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Caramel lady: "But if you must know fog of war I’m not happy that every move I make is being stalked some of these CCTV cameras even look into people houses."

This does not state which liberty or right you are being deprived. If you are not breaking the law; then what does it matter if there is a camera watching the street? People standing on the street can also see into your home. You have curtains for a reason. If these cameras are in violation of your privacy rights by seeing into your home; then perhaps you should inform your member of parliament of the breach of the constitution instead of complain on wireclub??


Caramel lady: "Plus any of my personal record can be sold or accessed by government departments or local authorites without my consent which has happened to many people."

Please provide the evidence of this.



…and she gets into racism again….yah…I think we can see what your stance is on equality caramel lady. You have made that clear in the sexism topic.


Caramel lady: "if the government suspected me of terrorism they could keep me without charge"

They can do the same if they suspect you of drug trafficking or murder or any other illegal act; but they need reasonable grounds to suspect you of it before they can take you in; or else they are in violation of your civil rights; and you can take them to court. Perhaps you should know the law a little better?

Caramel lady: "worse in the us with their secret courts and the anti american patroit act-how ironic etc)"

Again, your evidence is where?


Caramel lady: "Tracking devices in mobile phones and cars"

The work of private companies and not the government.

Caramel Lady: "newsy Ur right wing conservative type"

Is that so? Perhaps you too should seek to educate yourself on Canadian Politics before you jump to radical conclusions. It's pretty similar to yours in Britain. Right wing conservatism in Canada is centre.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Caveman said: Wasn't this the correct timelines of 2011. My sources are clear, if you believe there is a mix up then I suggest you write to the US, confirm Osama's death and or write a letter on whether or not the US President made those announcements on the respected dates.
As I said, events & announcements that took place in 2011.


David responds:

It also rained in the last year.
It also snowed in the last year.

The comments you quote were ‘re-issued’ in the last year however they did not originate in the last year.

You might be interested in Obama's speeches especially the one's during his run for the presidency. Perhpas reading his books would be enlightening as well.

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caramel lady
caramel lady: Pokerman please take a leaf out of the Norwegian people book, its not all about revenge and this 'them and us' attitude is very dangerous and results in hard right wing nut job who want to take the law into their own hands on the enemy or the other. I know America i.e U.S was born on violence so I understand that warmonger mentality and I defo know that not all Americans are hardliners or see everyone a threat who disagrees with Americas politics thats what make a democracy. neway I do understand to some extend this hostility to the Muslim world or as you put it anti American, but i have to say you seem stereotypically American in saying what u said lol. no worries
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caramel lady
caramel lady: Listen first you cant post links here and i cant be bothered to prove myself right or wrong for your benefit, ur question on my perception on equality well iam working class, a female and black so I know about equality and inequality more then you may personal know. Either way like I said you defo into the passa passa with ur cut and paste its kinda of amusing. Plus u use the same right wing arguement of if u have nothing to hide pls (im not even goin to address that) But like I said before i'm not letting u bait me. ANd secondly I have a degree in Caribbean stuides and social policy so I m fully aware of my counntries politics and poltical system in the western world and maybe if Canada comes out from U.S shadow I probably know more, plus you dont know what I define as centre, but I know i'm defo not right wing and im not liberal but either way have a nice day.
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PokerMan
PokerMan: Caramel lady says, "Pokerman please take a leaf out of the Norwegian people book, its not all about revenge and this 'them and us' attitude is very dangerous and results in hard right wing nut job who want to take the law into their own hands on the enemy or the other. I know America i.e U.S was born on violence so I understand that warmonger mentality and I defo know that not all Americans are hardliners or see everyone a threat who disagrees with Americas politics thats what make a democracy. neway I do understand to some extend this hostility to the Muslim world or as you put it anti American, but i have to say you seem stereotypically American in saying what

u said lol. no worries"

Its about justice, you call it revenge, revenge is uncivilized. America was civilized for not showing Osama's dead body on national tv. Even though many thought that it should have been shown justice was still served. Its not about warmongering, it's about pride in the United States that many other countries can't share, based because we rebelled against what was wrong and why the United States was founded. Its not Americas fault why there are organizations in the middle east and other parts that are anti-American. Maybe they are anti-American because we are free and they are not.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Caramel lady said: "but i have to say you seem stereotypically American in saying what u said lol"

Caramel lady said: "U are taking the pis$ fog of war, but the sick thing is that they probably be related due to all the rape commited by white men on black women."[1]

But I have to say that seem stereotypically racist in saying what you said….only that isn't funny; so I wouldn't laugh out loud.

Caramel lady said: "Listen first you cant post links here and i cant be bothered to prove myself right"


http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm

I took the liberty of proving you wrong by posting a link to the entire speech of Martin Luther King Jr's "I have a dream". I chose to use this one as you need to learn a thing or two about dealing with your racism.


...although you are right that you can't be bothered to prove yourself right.


Caramel lady said: "ur question on my perception on equality well iam working class, a female and black so I know about equality and inequality more then you may personal know."


Caramel lady said: "U are taking the pis$ fog of war, but the sick thing is that they probably be related due to all the rape commited by white men on black women."[1]

Clearly! So because of your s@& and race that makes you more of an expert on equality? That is a discriminative statement right there; that demonstrates not only your lack of understanding of equality; but also proves my point in the forum: [1]



Caramel lady said: "Plus u use the same right wing arguement of if u have nothing to hide pls"

Please define the principle standings of a right wing conservative in Canada Caramel lady…it's clear you have no idea where I stand on the political scale; nor what it means anyways.


Caramel lady said: "ANd secondly I have a degree in Caribbean stuides and social policy so I m fully aware of my counntries politics and poltical system in the western world and maybe if Canada comes out from U.S shadow I probably know more,"

Perhaps you should go back to school and learn something about Canada's social policy.


Caramel lady said: "plus you dont know what I define as centre"

I was unaware that you created the political scale.

[1]http://www.wireclub.com/Forums/ViewTopic.aspx?ForumId=772986&ParentId=1380280&Page=3
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caramel lady
caramel lady: Ok poker man first why you and fog of war obsessed with the cut and paste thing. Plus if i remember correctly America was built on taking anothers land and enslave another to work that land to make it free. Then up until the 1960s with the civil right act, there was the Jim crow laws and the counter intelligence operation by j f hoover to destroy the black community and that run until the 1970s, I'm sure your forgetten the Asian Americans who were put into concentration camps in your land of free. You have the highest prison rate, the most amount of serial killers and high gun crime, sexual crime etc (we have the higest in europe)theres obseisty, I watched a documentary on Americas homeless crisis which affects blacks and whites of all classes a million people on the streets. (there even saying the original serial killer jack the ripper was a irish america doctor) But no nations stands alone we live in a global village plus I inst China taken over now, before all the right wing types start blaming the liberals it was the right wing governments of the U.K and U.S that freed the marker and laid the foundation for new wave of western immigration. Plus when your elite are ready their not american their rich, that's why Saudi Arabia(biggest open women prison in the world) is their best friends with the west. But I love ur TV shows, ur films, music, literature, fashions and you have hot men there, don't like the sports (im british: FOOTBALL people not soccer )and the politics and racial history of your country well the less said the better and remember with all that bravado other countries are building bigger bombs, even your country dropping the first atomic bomb well what can i say, (you must be so proud!!!

anyway take care
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caramel lady
caramel lady: Nothing to see here. Post deleted by user.
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caramel lady
caramel lady: Ok, you have issues fog of war, neway, what i meant that being from these three groups I most likely have experienced discrimination from all these angles . and why do i need to learn Canadian politics for your benefit why u so special (ur not supremacy type are you lol) Take care, i get what your trying to say but i think your being ignorant to what i am saying, good nite and good bye
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Caramel lady said: "Plus if i remember correctly America was built on taking anothers land and enslave another to work that land to make it free."

And if you remember correctly; it was the British; which you are; that did that.

Caramel lady said: "I'm sure your forgetten the Asian Americans who were put into concentration camps in your land of free."

For free? You mean there was no war going on against Japan in which Japan launched espionage tactics that involved sending spies into the United States to gather intelligence?

…the Imperial Japanese Navy commander; Isoroku Yamamoto attended Harvard after graduating from the Imperial Japanese Naval Academy and earning his commission. [1] But hey….there was no reason at all.

Caramel lady said: "I watched a documentary on Americas homeless crisis which affects blacks and whites of all classes a million people on the streets."

Just blacks and whites? Homelessness does not affect Arabs; Mexicans; Asians, Native Americans, or anyone else? Why do you feel the need to constantly bring race into it? Clearly you do not understand equality.

Caramel lady said: "(there even saying the original serial killer jack the ripper was a irish america doctor)"


There is also a saying he was British. You want to base stereotypes on Americans based on a saying now? Wow!


Caramel lady said: "Plus when your elite are ready their not american their rich, that's why Saudi Arabia(biggest open women prison in the world) is their best friends with the west."

For someone who apparently has an education in social policy; you are pathetically ignorant to the study. Saudi Arabia is Muslim; which does not treat women the same. The women's prison there has NOTHING to do with anything American.




Caramel lady said: "im british: FOOTBALL people not soccer"

Go check out the Football forum in sports on this one….I don't think we need to get into it here.

Caramel lady said: "Ok, you have issue fog of war, neway, what i meant that being from these three groups I most likely have experienced discrimination from all these angles"

And you have contributed discrimination in all these angles as well. Your race and sx^ do not grant you permission to be racist yourself.

Caramel lady said: "and why do i need to learn Canadian politics for your benefit why u so special (ur not supremacy type are you lol) "

You don't…but if you aren't going to find out what my country's politics is; then why are you going to assume you know what my political stance is?

Caramel lady said: "Take care, i get what your trying to say but i think your being ignorant to what i am saying,"

I understand perfectly what you are saying:

Caramel lady said: "U are taking the pis$ fog of war, but the sick thing is that they probably be related due to all the rape commited by white men on black women."[2]


[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto
[2] Wireclub Link: Forums/ViewTopic.aspx?ForumId=772986&ParentId=1380280&Page=3
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PokerMan
PokerMan: Only a stereotypical person would mention being stereotypical.
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PokerMan
PokerMan: Caramel lady says, "Ok poker man first why you and fog of war obsessed with the cut and paste thing."

I'm not copy and pasting, why do you think I'm doing that for whatever reason I don't know.
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PokerMan
PokerMan: Caramel lady says, "I know America i.e U.S was born on violence so I understand that warmonger mentality"

Oh yeah I was born with a machete in my right hand and a declaration of freedom in my other hand.

Lol
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caramel lady
caramel lady: Ok, firstly Britain and american governments both support and work with (i know) the Islamic country of Saudi Arabia despite their women right record but condemn other Islamic states and go war with them. secondly what came first football or american football and the term soccer, thirdly the guy tooting talk is a stereotype that is present of Americans by Americans via ur movies and films George Bush.

it was you original that mentioned Racism Fog of war>>>don't think it's just a case of it being sexist if men do it. I think it's a case of humans have a tendency to put their 'liberties' before everyone else. Some of the most racist people I have ever met were members of ethnic minorities who hate all white people because they are 'racist'. We can see this in examples of almost all discrimination:
Black Panthers movement uses racism to hate 'racism'.)

Like i said before you group all ethnics together (non whites) and whites separately, and are whites not ethnic??????(you dont know your even though it-interesting

The documentary I mentioned actually only showed white and black Americans, Actually there was white middle class couple and a single black man with two jobs> they who they focused on(it was half an hour doc) so thats what I said what but nice try though

I said. plus I'm Black British not Englsih there is a difference. BUT PLEASE DONT SAY IM RACIST CAUSE IM NOT I NEVER DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ANYONE, JUDGE SOMEONE BASED ON THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN(which has happened to me from a early age) I never called a non black person a racist term before, but mind u i ve never dated outside my race but i wont rule against it( would you say the same), But please dont lie on my name, thank you very much. You guys do not know what true sexism and racism is until you have lived. P.S good trolling though
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PokerMan
PokerMan: Caramel lady says, "Plus if i remember correctly America was built on taking anothers land and enslave another to work that land to make it free. Then up until the 1960s with the civil right act, there was the Jim crow laws and the counter intelligence operation by j f hoover to destroy the black community and that run until the 1970s, I'm sure your forgetten the Asian Americans who were put into concentration camps in your land of free."

For one you don't start off a sentence with, (plus) and you say you have intelligence?

Britain still has extreme racism still to this day, and the United States dissolved slavery while Britain continued to have slavery even after the union won the civil war. America wasn't built on taking land, yes we have admitted our mistakes and we made it right in the end by giving land back and making reservations for Indians and guess what those Indians that had there land taken away say they are happy they got their land taken away, because now they are filthy rich from their luxurious casinos. Where is your proof the j f Hoover conspiracy you are talking about. You sound like a conspiracy theorist. Once again your talking about conspiracy theories about concentration camps, where is your proof of this?

Caramel lady The knowledge I have in psychology and sociology, the most certain statement i can describe you as a person being very angry, and confused of what real truth is.
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caramel lady
caramel lady: Firstly I can start a sentence anyway I like this is not an assessment for testing. Why do think I'm angry? and confused with the truth your the one blinded by patriotism. Plus you and fog of war are in constant disagreement with anyone who does not agree with you,I'm sense a pattern guys Where your self assessment??? you dont know me thank you. dont know my life, you need to reserve that speech for your friend fog of war but u agree with him so you have no problems there surprise. And if I was so angry I wouldn't be a 30 year who looks younger than my years anger gives you lines. Also grammar don't demostrate intelligence. Either way I've spent too much time on you two, have a nice life.
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