Is the United States a Police State? (Page 2)

Comrade_
Comrade_: @Fog:
It amazes me that you can't see your own stupidity. This thread has nothing to do with Afghanistan and my statement was understood to Pokerman, as it should be since it was directed to him.

I don't come online and pretend to be a soldier and I have certainly contributed to my country more than you ever can for yours. But you don't know me do you? and you don't know what I have done so why don't you get back to your COD games and leave the debating for others.

Such a dumbass you are, coming into a thread with nothing to add, only because your feelings got hurt in other threads you come here like an idiot to make a fool of yourself....again.
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@ Pokerman:
I was not referring to the negative effect of a positive action. I was speaking about outright negative things. It is your Government and you should be aware of the negative & positive things they've done in order to know how to vote. Someone from another country shouldn't have to come and enlighten you.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: @Fog, I wouldn't comment on your 'school' contribution, because it should be an insult to the people (civilians) who lost their lives & relatives that they can look forward to more physical buildings after years of war. A school is more than a building. Takes only a moment to remove it too.

And if you measure a person's contribution to the world by his use of a weapon or his participation in war then you can write off alike of great men & women who have done more to contribute to several countries that in the next 10 years their contributions will matter while yours will be buried as another costly war. Honestly ask yourself in the next 20yrs (if so much) what have I contributed to that country and at what cost?




Now this thread isn't about Afghanistan or other wars, my comment to Pokerman was nothing based on that, simply pointing out to him that he should be more alert to Politics in his country. If you want to debate on the war in Afghanistan than I suggest you make another thread and don't get emotional in this one.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: Just a correction Pokerman, this is the definition of a Police State:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_state

I think you might need to change your argument/ the heading.

Technically the US isn't a Police State...you meant to say "World Police"?
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PokerMan
PokerMan: In a sense world police is correct, but I wanted to bring the title into a different light.

The United States acts as if they are a police state to the world economy.
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PokerMan
PokerMan: But I think I made a good presentation on the bottom of page 1 in reference to the talk of negative political governess.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Caveman said: "I don't come online and pretend to be a soldier and I have certainly contributed to my country more than you ever can for yours. But you don't know me do you? and you don't know what I have done…"

You know; you make it really easy to point out the hypocrisy in your statements when you do it for me. Thanks for the help caveman.

Caveman said: "Such a dumbass you are, coming into a thread with nothing to add, only because your feelings got hurt in other threads you come here like an idiot to make a fool of yourself….again."

I fail to see what this has to do with the topic either. Why the double standard towards yourself caveman? You are no better than anyone else….although you do get extremely agitated when someone does the very thing you have done to everyone right back at you don't you?

Yes; how dare we take pride in rebuilding what the Taliban took from the people of Afghanistan. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

I guess that is why children in Afghanistan don't run up and hug you for helping them hey?


"And if you measure a person's contribution to the world by his use of a weapon or his participation in war then you can write off alike of great men & women who have done more to contribute to several countries that in the next 10 years their contributions will matter while yours will be buried as another costly war."

Actually; I have never undermined anyones peaceful contributions. You on the other hand constantly undermine the contributions of the soldiers who risk their lives so that those peaceful agencies can do such work without being murdered for it. You undermine the efforts of soldiers who trained the police to protect those people. Your idiocy on the subject is laughable.

The fact that you think all a soldier does is use a weapon just goes to show how little you know child. How about you go to Afghanistan 30 years from now and ask if anyone remembers our contributions? Why don't you see what they have to say instead of some anti-US, anti-war moron in Trinidad who has never seen the horrors these people witness on a daily basis.

Caveman said: "Now this thread isn't about Afghanistan or other wars, my comment to Pokerman was nothing based on that, simply pointing out to him that he should be more alert to Politics in his country"

Yes, and we are not dumb caveman. We all know what you think are the negative aspects of the US government. Funny still that you never manage to acknowledge the good that the US does. Why is this?
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PokerMan
PokerMan: FogofWar, your right he didn't point out any positives about the US, but that's OK though. Does he really know of any positives about the US? I don't know, because he hasn't pointed out any yet. There is a cause and effect for everything the US does and sometimes things don't go the way we expect them, such as innocent people dieing, or schools getting blown up. Sometimes people don't see any good when there is moslty negativeness all around, such as the people in those war torn countries. One day we will see everything start to come together, right now there is alot of chaos in Afghanistan and Iraq, but one Democratic Islamic state could possibly be the start of an entire Democratic future in the middle east, it may not be in our lifetime, but I'm sure its possible.

I could go as far to say the Islamic leaders in the middle east suspect the US of purposefully doing this
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Comrade_
Comrade_: @ Pokerman
I have not pointed any negative or any positive of the US in this thread.
I believe it was FogofWar (who I strongly suggest to get psychiatric help, all seriousness) who entered the thread carrying feelings as usual.


Was the intent of your thread to solicit praise to the US Government?

And concerning your above comment, you must understand the culture of the people of Afghanistan and know that their war history goes before the Foreign Troops entered (if it as Fog said their purpose was to build schools) I believe it was Obama that pointed out that they're not focusing on nation building, and the troops will be moving out. A lost war that different countries that got involved are regretting.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: @Fogofwar

You know nothing about me or my life, so why don't you continue as everyone who don't praise the US Government are anti-american and anyone who points out the blatant wrong done by that Government are anti-war. I suggest you take your little ass and shut it because you think you got hugged by some Afghan kid that your life is fulfilled? Is that why you come online in search of some praise? and try to convince everyone of how much of a humanitarian you are and how you should be worshipped? Wake up man, nobody cares, those kids in the next 10 years have what to look forward to? If you want praise then go on Opera or some Talk show.
To me you are a piece of shit, your personality shows me this, nothing you've done in your life matters to me and you know nothing of what it is to have a hard life. So what? You've been to Afghanistan and now you have the world of problems? I've seen more hell than you will in your life put all together, if you want someone to pat you on the back and praise you then you'd not get that shit from me, grow up and kindly piss off.

We both know the situation in Afghanistan is messed up, the Governments knows it, why do you think they're planning to pull their troops out? You think they won anything? A world in an economic crisis and all you want is to play some COD

Gracias.

What a spoilt brat.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: ...and caveman knows all about the history of the people of Afghanistan don't you caveman? You are aware what the Loya Jirga system is right? ...didn't think so.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: Point proven, waste of sperm and time.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Caveman said: "You know nothing about me or my life…"

Can the same not be said about you? Practice the words you preach child.


As for me thinking anyone who doesn't support the government is antiwar; hardly. The reason I state you are antiwar; is because you have, time and again, stated that war is wrong.

Caveman said: "I suggest you take your little ass and shut it because you think you got hugged by some Afghan kid that your life is fulfilled?"

Is it the fact that we get respect from the people we serve; or the fact that you don't get respect for not taking action that bothers you the most? You seem very upset at the fact that even children in Afghanistan are smart enough to see more than you.

"Is that why you come online in search of some praise?"

I am not the one seeking the praise caveman. Is that why you come online?

"and try to convince everyone of how much of a humanitarian you are and how you should be worshipped?"

Try? By presenting facts? Would you like me to post the links to documented numbers of hospitals and medical centres Canadian Forces have contributed to Afghanistan? I don't come here to 'try' and convince…I come here to provide evidence against morons that run their mouths about us doing nothing despite the compelling evidence; both on paper; and in the voices of the people from Afghanistan.

"Wake up man, nobody cares, those kids in the next 10 years have what to look forward to?"

They had ten years that they wouldn't have had had we followed your 'humane' ideals.

Caveman said: "To me you are a piece of shit and you know nothing of what it is to have a hard life."

Insults are the tool of a fool who cannot win a debate on facts. Such hatred from someone who claims to oppose it.


Caveman said:

"And concerning what I said, if you disagree then fine go ahead, but I see you could come up with nothing but a personal attack rather than to find fault in what I typed to Pokerman."

"To me you are a piece of shit and you know nothing of what it is to have a hard life."

…desperation is an ugly suit caveman.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: I already told you that you are ignored. Now if you feel hurt over it, go to the corner to the left and cry. Continue typing all you want, I said what I had to say. You have some problems that I suggest you talk to a professional with.
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PokerMan
PokerMan: TheCaveman says, "Was the intent of your thread to solicit praise to the US Government?

And concerning your above comment, you must understand the culture of the people of Afghanistan and know that their war history goes before the Foreign Troops entered (if it as Fog said their purpose was to build schools) I believe it was Obama that pointed out that they're not focusing on nation building, and the troops will be moving out. A lost war that different countries that got involved are regretting."

This thread was intended to bring out discussion and talks of truth. The only main reason we are backing out because of our debt crisis in America.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: ...desperation is still an ugly suit caveman.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: And you wear it well, Fog. Go back to COD.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Childish insults do not add to your character caveman.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: If you focus your entire life on negativity; then you will find only negativity. Try seeking the positive; and you may see it. Perhaps that is why you are unable to see any of the good the US has done; and resort to childish namecalling and insults over it. I am really starting to pity you.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: Are you sure that is the main reason, Pokerman? Ok sounds reasonable.
Before this economic situation started with the debt ceiling, this is a brief timeline in one year:

1. Announced Osama killed
2. Announced plans for the US Military to pull out of Afghanistan (other countries plan to pull out too)
3. Announced that the US will not be focusing on nation building in Afghanistan but instead focus on Al Qaeda's safe havens & get the Afghan government to reconcile with the Taliban
4. Debt issue (need to raise the ceiling)
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caramel lady
caramel lady: Hasn’t that nations made a living out of criminality, More crime more law enforcement and civilan job. plus post 9/11 they had many of their freedoms taking away from due to fear imposed on the American people which kinder of ironic in the land of the free, (post 19th century anyway for black people didn’t have that right to freedom) neway the U.K or at least London is defo a police state with have more cctv cameras in London alone then anywhere else, but the government has admitted it doesn’t not stop crime. Thankful we have some sense in the U.K and proudly we not that much of a sheep nations so the I.D cards got rejected by the public. I think like America not as bad, police just have to say they suspect terrorism and you’re done for not matter what race you are even more probable being non white ob. People just need to wake up and stop being so scaried of the other. Its ironic that cult leaders keep their members through fear. The governemts of the U.S and the U.K and the media have been very clever in making us surendering our freedoms and rights; considering american had the civil war which resulted in black people having freedom and in the U.K with two wars fighting for freedom. Crazy
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FogofWar
FogofWar: The date was set in 2001 when to begin phasing troops out of Afghanistan. This isn't something Obama pulled out of his ass this year. 2011 was the scheduled date to withdraw our troops since Operation Enduring Freedom was laid out into strategized ops.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Please list the rights and freedoms which have been taken from you caramel lady.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: Did I say he pulled it out his ass in 2011, I list the events of this year, please stay quiet for your sake.
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caramel lady
caramel lady: OK, lol like i said in my previous post u seem to like passa passa( a patwa word) i am not going into it with you.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: passa passa is a Jamaican dance! ahh jah
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