Syria and its Crimes Against Humanity (Page 5)

Malobear: asassin_khan says:" one thing that keeps bugging me is how america is so silent on the issue of syria, they seem to always want to avoid the subject. the truth of the matter is that assad is doing for america everything america needs him to do,"
Malo says: I have responded to this and will do so again. Syria has been a part of Russia for years,Syria is on of those "hands off" countries as far as Russia is concerned. Unless the United States wishes to go to war with Russia,it will stay that way and has since 1970. Thats why you will not see a American boot in Syria.

asassin_khan says:"iran is also a big part of americas game, dont let the ayatollahs fool you, they are with america and are just playing their role in fuelling tensions,"
Malo says:"Really?,Thats total change in Iran if thats the case. Irans leadership has made films and openly said they wish the destruction of Israel and the West and promote this thru their proxies in Lebanon,West Bank and Taliban,Al-Quada though out the world.
What you have here asassin is a triangle. Iran ships their weapons and other things to their proxies thru Syria,This makes the Syrian leadership alot of money but the two have a problem now,the rebels. Iran is not going to sit back and watch their trade route go away,plus Assad is their friend so this is the real reason you see the Iranians in Syria. The Russian are not going to get involved because they do get their share of oil from Iran. And the Russians keep the West out.

Np19: malobear i agree your correct and i see where your coming from. cheers for reply

Np19: emadmass says: Thank you very much assasin_khan for supporting the truth .
every thing u said in the your first post is completely right especially the reason of iran supportibg the syrian regime but actually we can't tell that to ppl in frank coz they will call us sectarinas while they ( the regime and its supporters ) are the real sectarinas.
zainab was found in the military hospital of my city Homs with her both hands , a leg and head taken off and skin removed as u mentioned.
and she was raped several times by a group of Shiaa guys who took her from the prison with approval of security forces to a farm near the city and returned her to prison after she died .
then security forces took her to the military hospital and reported the case as a woman was killed by the virtual armed groups which really don't exist.

the truth of the matter is that alot of people dont understand the whole sunni shiaa issue, when one looks into the the whole issue from abdullah ibn saba onwards you will see what the shiaa agenda has always been, im not saying all shia share the same views but what you will find is that when it comes down to it the shiaa will never stand with the sunnis, look at iraq? did you know that in tehran there are churches and jewish places of worship but the sunnis cannot have a mosque in tehran? iran has openly admitted to helping the U.S invade afgahanistan, and now helping the alawi assad massacre the people of sunnah in syria. what they did with zainab is disgusting and im also aware that many other similar attrocities have taken place which have been concealed or just not reported.

pilgrim12: iran is the threat its not so hard to understand why afghanistan was occupied it sits bordering a few countries that are aggressive iran one of them,so all the talk of pulling out of afghan will never be complete there will always be nato troops stationed there its a jump off point for south asia and the middle east so when iran fullfills her nuclear capabilities a strike will be made to stop her firing at israel in fact iran has pulled her production of nuclear reactors back to as far has possible for that event ,afghanistan sits lovely ,russia,pakistan,india,iran and easy for airbourne to go to the middle east from there.

sammy_87: @ nellie77
see you still use your dirty stuff and accuse that I'm an extreme Muslim and I kill people for their right for speech. LOL .

did i say this ? I will kill you.
did i say that u don't have the right to talk ? or the freedom of believe ?

why do u lie front of all the people ? you don't respect you self as an old woman ?



go see the dr he can help ya lol

nellie77: I have studied Mid-East affairs for the past 15 years. I am not an expert in Syrian Politics’ but have devoted 10 of the 15 years study on Syria. 95% or more, of comments, views & analysis of activities unfolding in Syria are in fact bias & frequently sensationalized. We have now witnessed over five months of unrest in Syria & ironically most articles, & reports continue to press the fact that the President an “Alawite”, & his supporters who are also “Alawites” & are a minority, have controlled Syria since the Late Havez came into power. Tv, social media & online articles as such have dominated headlines with “pro democracy” titles, but somehow ensure we are always reminded of the fact the minority Alawite sect controls a predominately Sunni occupied society. One could legitimately argue that foreign media has in fact portrayed the Syrian unrest due to Peaceful protest motivated by democratic reform. But once again never fail to remain us that the President is of an Islamic minority. I personally am not a patron of any non democratic government but I always remain objective & legitimate with my analysis & views. “My professional analysis of the unrest”


1.President Bashar in fact has over 80% of Syrian population support.
2.80% of supporters consist of, Muslims and Christians.
3.There is a legitimate unit of peaceful protectors that are requesting reform & the government has acknowledged the need to press on such reform
4.These same protectors are unaware of & are not in anyway connected with the Extremist Islamic brotherhood who are attempting to create religiously motivated unrest in Syria by committing violent & brutal crimes in the country against, peaceful protectors & security & army personnel
5.June 17th foreign media reported Mass anti government rallies took place, but opted to use a pro Assad rally photo & short video clip, It’s logical to assume you would use photos & video Clips of the Anti government protest, this means either, the anti government protest didn’t take place or it was to small to broadcast. The answer is, It was to small to broadcast.
6.Over 2 million Christians have pledged support for Assad
7. Over 70% of Muslims have pledge support for Assad
8.All peaceful religious leaders have already engaged with the president in talks & are satisfied with the governments proposed reform
9.The Syrian army is in no way divided nor has any personnel rebellious activity taken place
10.We know this due to numerous army personnel who were announced as part of the deflecting group, hours later contacted Syrian authorities & Syrian media & have conducted live interviews denouncing such reports & reject such claims
11.The Main capitals of Syria are the vital organs of a successful or failed government
12.Every main capital has rejected opposition to the government emphatically & engaged freely in pro Assad protest
13.It is highly unlikely that the government will be ousted
14.Over 5, 000 terror suspects have been of which the vast majority have opening admitted on tv to carrying arms & shooting at both innocent protectors as well as government forces
15. Once the Assad government complete their objective & intall complete peace & security to outer cities Syrians will form stronger bonds
16.The government will develop stronger legitimacy & credibility
17.Syrian government will produce evidence of the causes of the unrest & will do this in time
18.Reforms will be adhered

This is an extract from David Michaels, its a political Forum that Joshua Landis put together after he Titled his Article "What do Sunnis intend for Alawis following regime change?" I found this an excellent read.

Joshua Landis Is a professor Of Okhalhoma and is the director of Middle eastern Studies...

Np19: European countries proposing a new UN resolution over Syria have dropped demands for immediate sanctions against President Bashar al-Assad's government.

The draft, proposed by the UK, France, Germany and Portugal and backed by the US, threatens sanctions only if the repression of protests does not end.

The scaled-back version is aimed at winning the support of China and Russia, which oppose sanctions.

Western diplomats say they are planning for a vote by the end of the week.

The draft resolution "demands an immediate end to all violence", according to copies obtained by news agencies.

It says the 15-nation Security Council "expresses its determination, in the event that Syria has not complied with this resolution, to adopt targeted measures, including sanctions".

Last month the US, Britain, France, Germany and Portugal put forward a draft resolution calling for sanctions against President Assad, members of his family and close associates.

But Russia and China have threatened to veto any sanctions resolution against Syria.

Others countries which oppose sanctions include a bloc of key emerging powers - India, South Africa, and Brazil.

Wider crisis

The BBC's Barbara Plett at the UN in New York says some countries fear any outside involvement in Syria could trigger a much wider crisis.

Their position has been hardened by Nato's actions in Libya, which they say has overstepped a UN mandate to protect civilians there, she adds.

One European diplomat told Reuters news agency that they wanted to send "a strong and unified message to ensure that the Assad regime does not remain deaf to the demands of the international community".

Meanwhile, Syrian forces are continuing efforts to suppress protests that began six months ago.

On Tuesday troops stormed the restive central town of Rastan after besieging it for two days, activists said.

The UN estimates that more than 2,700 people have been killed across Syria since the crackdown began earlier this year.

The Syrian government says it is battling "armed gangs" that have foreign backing.

dave3974: It is difficult to know what is realy going on , the last source to trust is assad. Without doubt there have been a large number of civilians killed.
The silence from the arab league is deafening
If assad has nothingb to hide let the media in,.
Many countires

nellie77: Can someone please tell me who the activists are and rights groups are that are reporting these stories of syria?

davidk14: .

Human Rights Group Amnesty International is just one. Go onto the internet and review their reports.

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nellie77: Thanks Dave, i wonder why Amnesty international dosn't have a presence in Syria?

nellie77: I meant david lol

davidk14: .

They don't have a presence because like world media outlets, the Syrian Government won't allow them in. One only needs to wonder why.

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WhiteCloud2: It seems the davidk is part of the Israeli propaganda machine that is stationed in wall street.. ur crimes against the Palestinian people equals and surpass those committed by the nazi ..ur crimes against the american working people r very evident .. ur un ethical practice.. people r losing their homes and jobs.. holding American democracy hostage to the media and money u control is another crime.. America belongs to the world .. u degraded it to nothingness… shame on u.. history never forgets.. justice will eventually prevail

akcharmy: btw,Zainab Al-Husni appeared on TV right after all the talkin about what the security members has done to her..Human Rights Watch admitted that she's still alive,the truth that she ran from her brothers who tortured her...plz be sure of what u say

Lora123: (CNN) -- Zainab Alhusni, the young woman reportedly slain and mutilated while in Syrian custody, appears to be very much alive.

A young woman appeared on Syrian TV on Wednesday and identified herself as Alhusni, whose reported mutilation stirred outrage and condemnation across the world, long angered by the tough government crackdown against protesters there.

Her family confirmed that the woman on TV is indeed Alhusni, but they have not yet been able to speak to her, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch said in a joint statement.

"I saw on TV that security forces detained me and burned my body ... and that they cut it up and handed it to my parents," said the woman, who resembles pictures of Alhusni obtained by CNN.

After that, the woman, who is from the restive city of Homs, said she decided to tell authorities the "truth."

Several sources told CNN last month that the 18-year-old woman had stepped away from her home in July to buy groceries and was whisked away by Syrian security forces to coax the surrender of her activist brother, Mohammed, who often led demonstrations against embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. A neighbor, activists, and human rights groups said she ended up beheaded and dismembered.

They said the woman's family reported her body had been returned to them by the government.

The family held a funeral and buried the body, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch said.

The groups issued a statement saying they regret any inaccuracy in the misidentification of the body as that of Alhusni, and that both organizations regularly verify their information with multiple and independent sources.

Amnesty International said it had spoken directly to one of Alhusni's brothers to confirm the death, and Human Rights Watch later interviewed the woman's mother as well as a brother who washed the corpse prior to burial.

"It now appears that Zainab's family misidentified the body that was presented to them due to the extensive damage to the body," the groups said.

In the Syrian TV interview, the woman said she left home without telling her parents and went to live with relatives about five days before Ramadan, which would have been in late July. She said her parents didn't know she is alive.

"I ran away because my brothers used to torture me and beat me. That is why I left," she said.

She said security forces never detained her or raided their house.

"I want to tell my mother to forgive me and be pleased with me," she said.

Alhusni's family members couldn't be reached by CNN for comment.

Amnesty International said the TV interview clearly raised questions about information it released last month on Alhusni's death and the discovery of a body at Homs Military Hospital.

"The identity of the murdered female victim buried by the Alhusni family remains unknown and Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch called for an independent investigation to reveal her identity," the groups said.

Neil Sammonds, Amnesty International's Syria researcher, said it is important that the issue not obscure the larger problem of widespread abuse, including the deaths of dozens of detainees over the year.

"The big picture is that all sorts of horrendous abuses are going on," Sammonds told CNN.

Sources who reported Alhusni's death told of a chilling sequence of events after her disappearance.

Several days after she went missing in July, security forces called the family and offered to meet them in a pro-Assad neighborhood, where they would trade Alhusni for her activist brother.

On September 10, the family says, Mohammed was wounded in a demonstration. He came back to his loved ones a corpse. The family believes he was tortured to death.

In a statement posted to YouTube, another brother, Yousif Alhusni, describes multiple gunshot wounds to Mohammed's chest and a single shot through his mouth.

The family went to collect Mohammed's body from a hospital when doctors told them another unclaimed body with the label "Zainab Alhusni" had been kept in the morgue's freezer for some time.

When the family received the body, the head and arms had been chopped off. Chunks of the body's flesh were charred, appearing in places to have been melted or burned down to the bone.

Authorities forced Zainab Alhusni's mother to sign a document saying her daughter and son had been kidnapped and killed by an armed gang, Amnesty International said in an online statement.

Asked why she chose to appear on TV, the woman claiming to be Alhusni said, "Because one day, I will get married and bear children, and I will need to register them."

Lora123: So then who was the headless, armless woman?

BassLinesFroMmaRS: Unlike the situation in Libya, Syria is a much more delicate arena in which to go to war and the United States and its allies must deal with it cautiously. Intervening in Syria in the same manner that they have in Libya (that is, dropping bombs) could easily escalate into a wider, regional war. A desperate Syrian government could very well decide to confront Israeli. Do you remember what Sadam Hussein did during the first gulf war??? Once the coalition started dropping bombs on Baghdad, he sent scuds Israel's way. Why??? He wanted to distract and put a wedge in among the overwhelming allied force that was facing him. It was an act of desperation and, thankfully, cooler heads within the Israeli government prevailed and they exercised restraint and did not get involved. Syria's military, although out-dated, is fairly large with a sizable number of tanks and the Golan Heights is a relatively small wedge of territory that could very well turn into a bloody battleground. A war between Syria and Israel could give Islamic extremists a boost throughout the region, slowing, and possibly even reversing the gains made by the democracy movements recently in the neighboring Arab states.

dave3974: cloudy
never make posts when you are drunk , they do not make much sense

WhiteCloud2: Dave K (3974) u changed pic the black peoples strugle to gain their rights as other human beings took lots of brave people to voice their opinions and do something abaout it..Dave K to hide under a balck person image is disrespectfullllll. ur crocodile tears for the syrian people is duly noted..

davidk14: .

You are so off base it's almost funny, I have been davidk14 for years and have never had, made up, or used another identity...ever.

So, nice try.

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WhiteCloud2: it looks like the syrian people have spoken today with a million demonstrators. This at the same time as the working american people r demonstrating wall street and its organizations throughout america..who said there is no soliderety between the syrian and the honrable working american people!!!!

davidk14: .

You're an idiot. The 'Occupy Wallstreet" protesters are made up mostly of 'students' who owe student loans that they do not want to pay back as well as left wing socialists and unionists who hate capitalism. They are not the 'average working American'. And here in America, it is there constitutional right to protest. But in Syria, people who do not like the Syrian Government are beaten, jailed and killed. Don't even try to compare the US to Syria.

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