Should the US intervene to promote democracy? (Page 4)

FogofWar: It is ironic that you claim I do not take criticism as a good thing; when in fact it was you that continually argued with what I intended this topic to be about based on words I never used.

No, what you said isn't entirely true; as arms dealers are private organizations. They are not the US.

FogofWar: The US also passed an act in 1917 called the "Trading With the Enemy Act" which enables them to halt all private trades with a nation in conflict with the US.

Comrade_: You know what I've noticed? that you are a very dishonest guy, twisting words dodging the truth. I've actually started to ignore you, and I'm open to debate anyone else.

Your topic is "Should the US intervene to promote democracy" very simple & nothing to twist there, you twist the topic which btw you claim it isn't your topic but that of another website, what you twisted it to be is: "Should there be an intervention to promote democracy".
I'll excuse your english & your limits are only to google and not understanding.


Btw the US Department of Defense is not a private organization. (think you already know that)
I'll leave you with the last words, I don't like dishonesty and I doubt you are a soldier, respect is earned not given.

Adios.

FogofWar: I am dishonest? That is hilarious. And where is your proof of this?

"I've actually started to ignore you, and I'm open to debate anyone else."

Spoken like a true person unable to provide convincing arguments.

"Your topic is "Should the US intervene to promote democracy" very simple & nothing to twist there, you twist the topic which btw you claim it isn't your topic but that of another website,"

Yes, and it is simple; SHOULD they intervene FOR democracy. What part of that deals with the reality of US arms deals?

"I'll excuse your english & your limits are only to google and not understanding."

Perhaps you should seek an education in English before criticizing others. It is clear that you are unable to comprehend this topic:

Caveman has said the following of this forum title:

"Leaving one country to be the one to "promote" democracy brings serious concern for the method this country will be "promoting" this democracy and questions will arise about their motives, esp. the sensitive issues of Oil"

"That question posted said that ONLY the US were intervening…"

"The US is falling apart economically and can not support a "promotion" of democracy.""



No where does it state that the task of promoting democracy should be left to one country. No where does it say that "ONLY" the US is intervening. No where does it say is the US is financially capable of actually doing this.

For someone who criticizes others on their English; you sure do have a hard time comprehending the written form of it.

"I'll excuse your english & your limits are only to google and not understanding."

I can understand this: I have spoken to people from Afghanistan. Have you? Yet you continually state your 'superior knowledge' on that topic; despite having only learned about it from google.


I love how caveman admits that he cannot respect other's opinions.

Comrade_: "That question posted said that ONLY the US were intervening…"

yes do you know what "ONLY" means?
Only - One alone; single.

Were there other countries posted or ONLY the US were mentioned in the topic?
Are you saying that your debate didn't mean to mention the US as being the ones to intervene? Consider that your debate topic is clear as day.

Dishonesty.

Don't copy & paste statements if you don't paste the entire post it was stated, don't take things out of context Fog, another one of your dishonest traits.

You can take my ignoring you to mean whatever you want, truth? It doesn't matter to me, I've shown to be the bigger man here by just walking away. But you, shhh sit and carry on, must be a lonely life you have. Who knows. You probably need this place to feel alive. Lil pathetic but ey, who am I to judge..

FogofWar: ""That question posted said that ONLY the US were intervening…"

yes do you know what "ONLY" means?"

Perhaps you should look up the definition. While you are at it; you can look at the forum title again too; and see where it states the US ONLY.


"Were there other countries posted or ONLY the US were mentioned in the topic?"

Just because the US is the ONLY nation named in the title; does not mean the US ONLY is intervening. Learn English dipshit.


"Are you saying that your debate didn't mean to mention the US as being the ones to intervene?"

No, because nowhere does it state the US being the "ONE" to intervene. It simply asks if they should. Is Afghanistan not an example of the US intervening? Does this mean they are doing it alone? English..learn it.

"Consider that your debate topic is clear as day."

I agree; you should consider that.


"Dishonesty."

…stupidity.

"Don't copy & paste statements if you don't paste the entire post it was stated, don't take things out of context Fog, another one of your dishonest traits."

Would you like me to paste the entire reply from you? It doesn't change the statement made as mentioned in my previous post. Hate me because you are ignorant all you want caveman.

"It doesn't matter to me, I've shown to be the bigger man here by just walking away."

Then why did you reply?

"But you, shhh sit and carry on, must be a lonely life you have. Who knows. You probably need this place to feel alive. Lil pathetic but ey, who am I to judge.."

Judging other's actions seems to be all you are good at. It's clear you don't have the balls to act.

Outbackjack: The U.S did such a good job at promoting democracy (read propping up murderous dictators) in the Middle East that the people are openly revolting.

Well done USA!

davidk14: You're just uninformed as usual Outback.

Outbackjack: Lets see.

Iran.
The U.S installed the Shah but the people had a revolution in 1979.

Iraq.
The U.S supported Saddam Hussein especially in the Iran-Iraq war (trying to get Iran back) in which millions died.In the end they invaded Iraq to promote "democracy".

Egypt.
Helped install a dictator in 1980 but the people didnt like that form of U.S democracy and revolted.

There are so many more examples David and I didnt even touch on South America.Shall I continue?

The U.S promote democracy???

HA!

davidk14: .

Outback,

Name one non-democratic country where the people have personal freedoms and personal liberties?

N. Korea?
China?
Russia?
Iran?
Cuba?
Venezuela?

Any others? So many examples, should I continue?

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the real slim DEEPy: hell no. if you give an idout democrocy, he will democratically choose oppression. we should work to firmly establish an acceptance of human rights before considering democrocy in ANY society.

the real slim DEEPy: communisms ARE republics, but they are rigged with a 1 party system. most "democrocies" are rigged with a false dichotomy 2 party system, to provide the appearance of democrocy.

FogofWar: "The U.S did such a good job at promoting democracy (read propping up murderous dictators) in the Middle East that the people are openly revolting."

Yes, it was the US that caused the people of Iran to revolt.

"Iran.
The U.S installed the Shah but the people had a revolution in 1979."

Is it 1980? No; in fact it isn't.

"Iraq.
The U.S supported Saddam Hussein especially in the Iran-Iraq war (trying to get Iran back) in which millions died.In the end they invaded Iraq to promote "democracy""

They 'invaded' Iraq in accordance with Resolution 1441. The objective was to force Hussein to comply with UN weapon's inspections that he was denying…part of the agreement made after the US intervened to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait in 1991.


"Egypt.
Helped install a dictator in 1980 but the people didnt like that form of U.S democracy and revolted."

Yes, they didn't like the government; and that's why BAM! 30 years later, they revolted.

"There are so many more examples David and I didnt even touch on South America.Shall I continue?"

You can, but it won't make you any less wrong.


"hell no. if you give an idout democrocy, he will democratically choose oppression."

This is true. We have seen it before.

"we should work to firmly establish an acceptance of human rights before considering democrocy in ANY society."

So you are suggesting that intervention should be for liberty and not democracy?

"most "democrocies" are rigged with a false dichotomy 2 party system, to provide the appearance of democracy."

In Canada; we have four major parties; and countless smaller ones; as well as individual candidates. One could have argued that of the four; only two are real powers; but the last election saw the 'largest' party in Canada take the fewest seats in office.

Outbackjack: Who cares if its 1980 or not?
The U.S spent the next 30 years trying to destabilise Iran because they nationalised U.S assets.A bit like a spoilt kid who has too many toys and wants more.

The people spoke out and overthrew the U.S backed dictator in Tunisia.
FACT!

The people spoke out and overthrew the U.S backed dictator in Egypt.
FACT!

The U.S has a history of backing murderous regimes whilst pretending to preach democracy especially in South America.

Guatemala,Chile,Brazil......shall I continue?

So stop talking out of your arse Fog,that the U.S is some kind of benevolent regime when in fact they have supported some of the most murderous despots on this planet.

And I didnt even mention Asia.

FogofWar: "Who cares if its 1980 or not?
The U.S spent the next 30 years trying to destabilise Iran because they nationalised U.S assets.A bit like a spoilt kid who has too many toys and wants more."

So what you are saying jack; is that the people of Egypt so hated the US puppet instated in 1980; that BAM; 30 years later they revolted after living under him for 3 decades? ….WOW!


"The people spoke out and overthrew the U.S backed dictator in Tunisia.
FACT!"

23 years and 2 months later.

"The people spoke out and overthrew the U.S backed dictator in Egypt.
FACT!"

29 years and 4 months later.

Boy, compelling facts jack. One has to wonder though; how many of those 20 year olds protesting remember what it was like before the US backed 'puppets'. You are hilarious jack.


"The U.S has a history of backing murderous regimes whilst pretending to preach democracy especially in South America.

Guatemala,Chile,Brazil......shall I continue?"

Ahh…here we go again hey jack?

Guatemala is not in South America. It is in North America.

…and yah; we all know how terrible Brazil is hey?

"So stop talking out of your arse Fog,"

One can easily tell you the same thing jack…only unlike you; they would be right.

FogofWar: But don't worry jack; I'm sure 40 years from now Brazil will revolt against their 'oppression' that the US forced on them too.

Crud: No, because it's not democracy if you have to force it on people

memberX: no, there is no democracy message sending trough the voice and sound of arms...

WITH WORDS NOT WITH VIOLENCE.

xubix: havent the USA destroyed enough lives and country's? And what is democracy? Is the us a democracy? nope it is not. people live in poverty. Bus made billions of debt and obama has to pay for it.

davidk14: .

People in the past have lived in poverty. People in the present live in poverty. People in the future will live in poverty. There will always be people that live in poverty anywhere and everywhere on the planet whether economies are good or bad, in democracies or not in democracies. Yes businesses created debt not only in America but in every EU country as well. However, Obama and this administration the dem's who have been in control of the congess and senate have created TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars of debt in just a little over two years. He has lost any credibility, what little he had. His election slogan, "Change we can believe in" has turned into "It's not my fault".

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memberX: ...well, than, take the example from Canada, and instead with guns, fight poverty with financial aid...its quite simple and efective ... isn't it ?...hahahhaahaa

sheewolf: I just wish everyone would get along, but that's too easy..the need to complicate it , by Greed, Religion and Stupidity. its sad really

memberX: mhm...

HardcoreHerbivore: No.No.No.It isn`t real!
Who funds the political campaigns?
.The ultra wealthy,the oil companies the banks .
It is all fake.Democracy is only an illusion.A transparent one at that.
The emperor is naked!!
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!

Bumpa: Democracy is all about freedom of choice, Right?
So if America "intervenes" and "promotes" democracy it is immediately taking away democracy and enforcing its own brand of politics on a country.
There is also the question of who decided "democracy" is the best form of government? This is merely an opinion, not a fact.