The Holocaust and those who want to re-write history (Page 2)
AretoNyx: Denialists of birds to diseases exist but yes there are those that deny such things as slavery ( humantrafficking) to halocaust exists too.
I follow Myles Power debunking denialists on youtube...hate twitter though even though it is same as other social media in many ways.
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AretoNyx: Just realized how old this thread is. Still valid to bring up though. Also it was suggested on list.
I can see how some would be denialist of reality. Though biases and agendas for so even in evidence and cherry picking ...among other fallacies. I expect as long as humans exist many will deny reality or come up with bs conspiracies in excuses to be violent and destructive.
Also evidence of that in recent events.
adamsouthworth: Is it only wicked to attempt to destroy one race/ethnic group? Jews were the single largest group killed in the holocaust; but more than half the victims of Nazism were non-Jews, including millions of Poles and Russians. This was also a concerted effort, not just to destroy the Polish identity through the massacre of their aristocracy, the abduction of children and extermination, but a form of demographic invasion: an attempt to replace Polish people in their heartland.
If we think this was a bad thing for the Polish people, why do we not think the same when this happens to other European groups? Is the way a group is displaced, outnumbered and destroyed the crucial thing if it takes place against the people's will?
AretoNyx: There are many that want to deny all sorts of history and facts. Saying how space and birds do not exist, how diseases do not exist, and just how all sorts have been though things ... even deny slavery still exists. There are those that try to justify forced marriage of children to how being hateful to point of murder is ok because freedoms. The thing of how people try to compare themselves to holocaust or Japanese Consecration camps...it is all different and no they are not a Rosa Parks on the bus where it was a law how people are treated. Sure people with do oppression Olympic but that is not helpful nor does it change the facts of any of these things. White supremacist exist and still murder people, burn churches, and not to long ago other terrible things. The history of these things are there to see but in the end it is up to individuals to face reality.
AretoNyx: Adam keep the we to yourself. I think each thing done is terrible by any groups causing atrocities.
adamsouthworth: @AretoNyx Would the attempt to cleanse and demographically invade Poland have been acceptable if no "atrocities" took place? Would it have been better if this took place in accordance with laws which ignored the will of the Polish people, especially if those laws were framed in terms of "equality" and "human rights"? Would the fact they were framed this way make the person who supported those laws less insensitive to the people they effected? Would it have been acceptable if these laws simply permitted Germans to migrate to Poland once the ethnic-cleansing was done? What is it about the lebensraum policy that was so objectionable? This is what I want to understand. If atrocities are the only objectionable thing, do you object to peaceful cultural imperialism which leads to the destruction of human cultures? Suppose the Nazis had simply occupied Poland and imposed a soft form of ethnic-cleansing which entailed no violence, would you have found that acceptable? Suppose there had been no atrocities or conscious intent to destroy the Polish people, would the end of the Polish people then have been good or indifferent?
AretoNyx: Why would you effort to ask something that has not happened if you do not plan it yourself? Why would you think I want anything terrible to happen to any one when I just stated how it is not good terrible things happen to others? Why do you wish to make a debate where there is none and try to do a " suppose this happened" when it is not happening and has not with begging the question on such things you are asking " what if"? I think it is best to just go with what facts we have now and even " place label" here of groups, tribes, ect. ...just understand how suffering ( see dictionary if confused) of others is bad as enough.
I am not going to engage with some one whom is not looking at what was already stated on facts, and chooses to ignore what was already said of opinions.
wolfen2dogs: All of history happened. It should not be erased ever.Wars happened genocide happened good things happened,Trump happened .What happens just happens like it not
adamsouthworth: @AresoNyx It is happening to western European groups, AretoNyx. Western European groups are in the process of destruction. I realize this is not a simple issue for most people (it certainly wasn't for me). Still, I don't think someone who purports to care about human beings can not care or lie about something which effects so many people.
Fractured fairy tale: Yeah Exactly I certainly hear What you are Saying , People Don"t Understand it even tho Its right before there eyes So Dismiss it Through Arrogance ( like see Dictionary if your confused)
or indifferance or wright it off as a Consparicy Therory or Some thing