Workers rights stripped in Wisconsin. (Page 3)

Wampum6
Wampum6: Sounds like another opportunity for a governmental cost overrun. Maybe it should be handled by the Medicare fraud investigators, a stellar brain trust!
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chronology
chronology: Reading the Wisconsin Union Bashing Posts here reminds me of the old Texas saying; 'now don't get me wrong. It is not because you are a bas@ard, I don't hold that against ya. It is because you are a stupid bas@ard that I don't like ya'.

'Violent Protests in Madison'. What violent Union Protests in Madison? How many Union members have been arrested? The Police in Madison have been praising the good behaviour of Union Protesters.

Fox News is reported to be showing video of 'aggressive Protesters' marching while reporting the Madison Sit in. Look carefully at the Fox video clips, they are not saying 'Wisconsin Union Protests' only 'Union Protesters'. One Fox video reportedly showed some marches walking in streets lined with Palm Trees and Union members wearing Tshirts. 'Tshirts'? in Wisconsin this week, not to mention the Palm Trees. Palm Trees? in Madison.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

On air...a Fox News reporter was physically assaulted...while reporting on air. No way can you spin that Chrono.
*Or maybe you will try…perhaps this took place on the set of the fake moon landing?*

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Wampum6
Wampum6: Or during planning for the 9/11 conspiracy!
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chronology
chronology: David. American Man did land on the Moon. Wampum Bin Laden has Posted Videos and sent tapes gloating over his massacre of New Yorkers, and David, the Wisconsin workers are being praised everywhere for their reponsible attitude.. What Station was it David that had a reporter attacked? oh right Fox, the one you say you hardly ever watch.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

um...Chrono...ya ever hear of youtube.com? Sure you have...even in the cave you live in. If you havn't, let me know and I will be happy to help you.

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Wampum6
Wampum6: Chrono-
I have no need for your attempts to inform me. I have far more reliable channels than you, and keep up with facts far better than you. Thanks, but no thanks!
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chronology
chronology: Wampum. One thing you do have a need for is English lessons. Man your Grammar is appalling. If you are going to be rude, at least be rude correctly.
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Wampum6
Wampum6: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Chrono. You continue to make no sense!
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: Wampum really isnt too bright is he?
He failed to read my statement properly let alone see the irony I was deliberately using in it.

Deep sprouts more deep ignorance:

"Labor unions used to serve a legitimate purpose- improving working conditions in coal mines and steel mills. Today, we have OSHA and labor laws, thus making unions obscelete."

Obsolete??
Maybe you could explain why you have such a downtrodden working poor in the U.S.Some earn a measly $7 an hour.Sounds like you definetely need trade unions.

Just look at Australia where we still have trade union influence.Our minimuim wage is $15 an hour yet I dont know a single blue collar worker who works for that.The average wage is around $20-$35 an hour and like I said thats just blue collar workers.

"Imporoving workers' conditions, however, is not why labor unions bagan."

This has to be one of the most silliest things I have ever heard.I suggest you read about a history of trade unions.In the U.S you had Haymarket,the eight hours movement(Australia was first in the world to acheive this) and Mayday.So have a read about your own countries history before coming here and talking out of your arse.

"Labor unions, in actuality, decended from craft guilds, with the goal of protecting jobs for current employees- to protect them from getting replaced by immigrants and mionority "scabs"."

Today the Australian trade union movement is concerned about the use of 457 visas for migrants.However this only goes so far as making sure that migrants have access to the same pay and working conditions that the average Australian worker has.So dont try painting trade unions as anti immigrant.Trade unions are actually assisting these workers free of charge.

"Labor unions soon became the tools of socialists AND corporatists (more commonly known as facists) to bleed the waste (profit) from the business owners,"

Who are these Corporatists and Fascists.
Sounds like another one of your fairy tales.
In all my time being an active member of various trade unions I have never see a single one let alone have one try to dictate their terms to us.They would get a black eye off the militants.

"to redistribute wealth"

Tell me what is wrong with that?

Workers want more money and better conditions.
Thats the kjob of Trade unions.That is why we pay our fees.

If you dont get a pay rise every year in effect it is a pay cut when you take into account inflation.A seventh grade kid with a basic grasp of maths could work that one out.

"to create class warfare in an effort of obtaining political goals- that being, to preserve the power of the nobility and/or politician."

Class warfare?????

Heres a quote from one of Americas richest men,Warren Buffet:

“There’s class warfare, all right,but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

There you go.Straight from the horses mouth.
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: "Socialism truly is for the rich, as the burgeous class was not that of the nobles, but that of the upper-middle class entrepeneur."

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

Yet you have corporate Socialism in the U.S which gives bailouts to the super rich upper class.

You seem to have a problem with the middle class and wealthy sections of it.Never forget it was the middle class that gave us all the Magna Carta which all of our freedoms (including you in the United States)is based on.

"Russia was able to create the class warfare and redistribute the burgueous' wealth BEFORE they reached the wealth and power of the nobility,"

I doubt that you have any idea about what really happened in Russia.The bourgeois were wiped out and the nobility were actually exterminated (ever heard of the Romanovs?).Russia is a great example of what happens when you combine grinding poverty,a world war and the extreme indifference of the super rich Tsar Nicholas.

"but in corperatist america, the borgeous has succeeded in satisfying both the unions', as well as the owners' greed-"

In Corporatist America they have succeeded by brainwashing gullible people such as yourself.

"with the exception of the steel and textile industries, which were driven out of business by the unions' greed."

I suppose sending all that work to China or Mexico has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Silly me.



"Seeing that the unions exist to redistribute wealth from the wasteful and greedy entrepeneur, what place do they have in the public or non-profit sector? These sectors have not greedy and wasteful owners or executives, they have taxpayers like you and me footing the bill."

Unions exist to get better conditions from any employer government or non government.Why shouldnt public sector workers get good working conditions?

"When the unions demand more than the fair market wage (when you include benefits packages),"

I suppose you think that $7 an hour is a fair market wage??????

"they are not redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor, but are driving the states into debt- they are redistributing wealth from our CHILDREN, from our FUTURE. As far as this "if i cant have it, you cant have it addidude", well, dont forget that we are talking about public SERVANTS"

So its the workers fault that incompetent governments are running up deficits.I suppose it has nothing to do with all those trillions of dollars in bailouts.All those tax cuts for the rich over the last 30 years.Yes thats it.Blame the workers when its the greedy bankers and their stool pigeon politicians who are at fault.

What about all the local governments and states who lost taxpayers money in all those dodgy Wall Street CFDs??.
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: "well, dont forget that we are talking about public SERVANTS, and they are just that- servants. Those who go into social work, public education and civil protection have the benefit of rewarding their conciences, the benefit of "making a differrence" in their locale. They are given the power to shape young minds, to benefit the disadvantaged and to protect the weak. We need not people going into these fields with monetary or other physical compensation in mind, we need those who are willing and ready to put the publics' needs in front of their own, or we will end up with "servants" who abuse their positions and impose themselves on the general population, whom they are supposed to SERVE"

This really sums up your attitude.
You expect Public SERVANTS to be your SERVANT and work for little or no monetary reward.I bet you yearn for the days when African-Americans picked cotton for nothing.
I bet you would like your own slave.
Naaaaaaa I bet your Mummy already does everything for you.


"When you consider the ENTIRE benefits packages of public workers, they make out with some $20,000 a year more, on average, than the public sector employee"

That makes no sense at all?????

"Something is terribly out of balance and the whole situation is precarious when the servant makes more than the master.
And it truly is precarious- as the mastyer cannot afford to pay the servant what he does not have, the differrence is made up through debt"

I dont anywhere where this is the case.More ignorant rubbish.

. These public unions are demanding that we have our children foot the bill of their insatiable greed.

What about the Wall street Bailouts????
Answer me that?

It seems to me like Deep is obviously not one of the workers of the U.S who earns $7 an hour and is obviously insensitive to the poor of America.Most people like that were either born with a silver spoon in their mouth or are lacking intelligence.

The above post shows this for all to see as it is not based oon any fact whatsoever.

Hey David how come you didnt ask for any copy an...errr I mean sourcing facts of the above misguided rant.Dont worry David.Keep the blinkers.I bet you look good in them.Dont worry about me not responding to you either David.When you come up with something original and stop spamming the thread with stuff you ripped off the net.I may respond.
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chronology
chronology: Jack. You are giving me the shivers now. I keep seeing David wearing a pair of horse Blinkers. They look better on a horse than on him.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Outbackjack and you too Chrono,

If unions are so great, wouldn’t it just make sense that more people would want to be Union memebers? However, membership has been in decline for the past ten years where only 12% of the population is in them and their membership is continuing to go down, down, and down.

And here is why more and more Americans are realizing what is actually going on around them…




From the USA Communist Party Web-Site:

I believe with each passing day America is waking up to the ever closer relationship between big Unions and the Communist movement. Communism is “on the move” my friends and is arm in arm with Big Unions so when they march SO DOES COMMUNISM!

On Sunday, December 5, the Communist Party USA gave awards to a pair of labor leaders and a former state legislator and assistant attorney general. Among the recipients was Connecticut AFL-CIO head John Olsen, who not only gladly accepted the award, but garnered “loud applause” when he said he stands with CPUSA.

“Anyone who stands with me for workers’ rights, I stand with them,” to loud applause as he acknowledged the Communist Party and took a strong stand against fear mongering and baiting, including the anti-socialist baiting of President Barack Obama.

“Not that long ago Americans openly rejected socialism and communism,” “Now the communists are holding awards ceremonies and concerts in public high schools and openly honoring state labor leaders.”




I’ve said this before and I state it again, Unions are anti-capitalist and have been and are promoters of redistribution of wealth. And this is out of their own mouths, not mine or Fox News or anyone else’s, right from the horse’s mouth.

So get the hell off the soap box and stop being a cheerleader for a movement that wants to “fundamentally change” the United States of America. You may love it where you live, but the vast majority of Americans detest it and shows in the declining membership numbers of unions nationally.

From the USA Communist Party Web-Site:

I believe with each passing day America is waking up to the ever closer relationship between big Unions and the Communist movement. Communism is “on the move” my friends and is arm in arm with Big Unions so when they march SO DOES COMMUNISM!

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chronology
chronology: David, (do take those Blinkers off Old Chap, you are giving me the horrors). You must be the last McCarthyite in America.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

I KNEW IT!!!! I REALLY DID!!! I KNEW YOU'D PULL THAT LAME ASS McCARTHY BS OUT OF YOUR BUTT ONCE AGAIN WHEN YOU CAN NOT REFUTE THE FACTS!!! I KNEW IT!!!!

Is that the best you can do in response??? Obviously.

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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Personally, I liked the part where Chrono said that no one was being assaulted by protesters- and when the fact that newcasters have been assaulted, he turns around and says that it doesn't count, 'cause its Fox News.

Lol- so assaulting people is okay if you don't like them? Clearly for Chrono it must be
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davidk14
davidk14: .

I like the part where Outback said, “When you come up with something original and stop spamming the thread with stuff you ripped off the net. I may respond.”

Outback, any thoughts about the quotes from the Communist Party web-site? Or do you call what I brought to this thread ‘spamming’?

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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: You answered your own question David.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Outbackjack...The Artful Dodger. Even when the information comes directly from the source, he calls it spam.

To Outback the following must also be spam:

The moon is the earth’s only natural satellite.

Sources:
Nasa: JPL: Solar System Exploration: Planets: Earth
US Naval Observatory: Seasons and the Earth's Orbit: Milankovitch Cycles

Spam…Poor excuse for a response, very, very poor.

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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: How about you Google plagiarism and spam the thread with that.
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davidk14
davidk14: .

Outback stupidly said: How about you Google plagiarism and spam the thread with that.

David responds:

Providing factual, verifiable information from responsible sites is plagiarism?

Providing word for word from the USA Communist from their own web-site is plagiarism?

Providing sources and providing word for word the US Constitution is plagiarism?

Providing sources and providing word for word the Charter of the terrorist organization Hamas is plagiarism, from their own web-site?

You yourself have posted word for word posts from sources yet you do not consider those posts plagiarism?

You are being dishonest and you should be ashamed to accuse me or anyone else of plagiarism in providing factual, verifiable information and sources especially when facts completely contradicts your personal opinions. Maybe, just maybe you could provide a source or reference materials to support your own opinions.

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davidk14
davidk14: .
I’m reposting this again since it is the topic of this thread..


Outbackjack and you too Chrono,

If unions are so great, wouldn’t it just make sense that more people would want to be Union members? However, membership has been in decline for the past ten years where only 12% of the population is in them and their membership is continuing to go down, down, and down.

And here is why more and more Americans are realizing what is actually going on around them…




From the USA Communist Party Web-Site:

I believe with each passing day America is waking up to the ever closer relationship between big Unions and the Communist movement. Communism is “on the move” my friends and is arm in arm with Big Unions so when they march SO DOES COMMUNISM!

On Sunday, December 5, the Communist Party USA gave awards to a pair of labor leaders and a former state legislator and assistant attorney general. Among the recipients was Connecticut AFL-CIO head John Olsen, who not only gladly accepted the award, but garnered “loud applause” when he said he stands with CPUSA.

“Anyone who stands with me for workers’ rights, I stand with them,” to loud applause as he acknowledged the Communist Party and took a strong stand against fear mongering and baiting, including the anti-socialist baiting of President Barack Obama.

“Not that long ago Americans openly rejected socialism and communism,” “Now the communists are holding awards ceremonies and concerts in public high schools and openly honoring state labor leaders.”




I’ve said this before and I state it again, Unions are anti-capitalist and have been and are promoters of redistribution of wealth. And this is out of their own mouths, not mine or Fox News or anyone else’s, right from the horse’s mouth.

So get the hell off the soap box and stop being a cheerleader for a movement that wants to “fundamentally change” the United States of America. You may love it where you live, but the vast majority of Americans detest Unions and it shows in the declining membership numbers of unions nationally.

From the USA Communist Party Web-Site:

I believe with each passing day America is waking up to the ever closer relationship between big Unions and the Communist movement. Communism is “on the move” my friends and is arm in arm with Big Unions so when they march SO DOES COMMUNISM!



So I ask you again the question that you have tried to sleaze your way out of answering…

More and more Americans are realizing what is actually going on around them. Union membership has been in decline for the past ten years where only 12% of the population is in them and their membership is continuing to go down, down, and down.

If unions are so great, wouldn’t it just make sense that more people would want to be Union members?

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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: Like I said David.

I dont see the need to reply to your unoriginal copy and pasted rubbish.
When you grow a brain and actually start writing posts of your own then maybe I might start reading them let alone respond to them.
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davidk14
davidk14: Outback said, and I quote:

“I dont see the need to reply to your unoriginal copy and pasted rubbish.”


David responds: Unoriginal copy. Hummm. Interesting.


Outback said and I quote:

“When you grow a brain and actually start writing posts of your own then maybe I might start reading them let alone respond to them.”


David responds in his very own words, copied and updated from my thoughts from my last post:

I have stated before and I state it again, Unions are anti-capitalist and have been and are promoters of redistribution of wealth.

The Communist movement in the US has stated they are in bed with the Union movement and the Union movement has stated they are in bed with the Communist movement which they have stated on their web-site (see previous post). These comments are out of their own mouths, not mine or Fox News or anyone else’s, right from the horse’s mouth.


So you should consider getting the hell off the soap box and stop being a cheerleader for a hate movement of personal liberty and freedom and that wants to “fundamentally change” the United States of America. You may love it where you live, but the vast majority of Americans detest Unions and it shows in the declining membership numbers of unions nationally.

David continues in his own words:

So I ask you for the third time the question that you have tried to sleaze your way out of answering…


More and more Americans are realizing what is actually going on around them. Union membership in the US has been in decline for the past ten years where only 12% of the population are in them and their membership is continuing to go down, down, and down.

Question: If unions are so great, wouldn’t it just make sense that more people would want to be Union members?

Looking forward to your thoughts.


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