The poor are being made to pay for the Financial F*ck ups caused by the greedy Fatcats. Outbackjack: Its the worlds biggest swindle and you have all been conned! In the U.S the Republicans have used their numbers to force an extension of tax cuts that benefit only the richest 2% of the population there.The only concession Obama could get is that it would be extended to middle income earners.It is estimated that the tax cuts will cost around $700 billion. This is all despite a $13 trillion dollar debt that the U.S owes. Obama has recently announced huge welfare cuts and state authorities are cutting back on education. The Republicans whilst smugly giving their rich mates more money(how much money do they need!)have signalled that they will do all they can to stop the poorest section of the population accessing health care. I am sure the Donald Trumps of the world will be wondering if they need another private jet whilst the poor die in the gutters after being rejected health care. In the U.K the Thatcherite Coalition government under Cameron has announced huge cuts to welfare and education.A million jobs are expected to be lost through a knock on effect of a loss of public service jobs. University students are expected to stump up three times as much for their education.Any wonder they are rioting in the streets. In Dublin the Irish government announced cuts to welfare that will see pensioners and single mothers thrown on struggle street.As if it isnt hard enough for them to survive on a pittance! All across the Europe the same thing is happening. The Fatcats who created this crisis,instead of being jailed,are actually being rewarded. WHY? Because the governments of the world are ruled by the Super rich and they know that most of you will sit passively back and literally take it!!!!!!!!  davidk14: . Outback said: In the U.S the Republicans have used their numbers to force an extension of tax cuts that benefit only the richest 2% of the population there.The only concession Obama could get is that it would be extended to middle income earners.It is estimated that the tax cuts will cost around $700 billion. David said: Perhaps that’s why the American public came out and voted to remove the Democrats from office not only in the Congress but also in the statehouses. Close to 700 democrats were voted out of state government jobs because of the poor work they did over the last 2 years not only their state debt like in California but also increasing the national debt by $4 trillion dollars. Unemployment went up significantly and held over 9% for the entire time the dems were in power, and specifically states run by democrats…up to 18.5% unemployment. The tax cuts you speak about will not cost $700 billion. They will not cost a single dime. It’s amazing that the democrats in the lame duck session in the US are still not listening to the reasons that the American public who voted them out of power last month. ______________________________________ Outback said: This is all despite a $13 trillion dollar debt that the U.S owes. David responds: Increasing taxes is not the answer as we have seen in Europe. Increasing business is the answer. ___________________________________ Outback said: Obama has recently announced huge welfare cuts and state authorities are cutting back on education. David responds: Europe has seen what happens when social programs get out of control. 80% of American spending is on Welfare Programs and defense. These programs have got to be cut. __________________________________ Outback said: The Republicans whilst smugly giving their rich mates more money(how much money do they need!)have signalled that they will do all they can to stop the poorest section of the population accessing health care. David said: That’s not true. Every American can receive healthcare when needed. The issue is preventive healthcare is not available. Unfortunately, funding these programs currently has led the US into deficit spending and deficit spending has brought the debt up to $14 trillion with unfunded liabilities to fund these existing programs…$110 trillion. ____________________________ davidk14: Outback said: I am sure the Donald Trumps of the world will be wondering if they need another private jet whilst the poor die in the gutters after being rejected health care. David responds: It’s the Donald Trump of the world that creates jobs and donates 100’s of millions of dollars to the poor. The American public donates more than the government to the needy and poor. The US donates more money to the UN than any country on the planet. _______________________________ Outback said: In the U.K the Thatcherite Coalition government under Cameron has announced huge cuts to welfare and education.A million jobs are expected to be lost through a knock on effect of a loss of public service jobs. David responds: The people of England also threw the liberals out of power recently just because they ran the economy into the ground…or didn’t you know that. _______________________________ Outback said: University students are expected to stump up three times as much for their education.Any wonder they are rioting in the streets. David responds: Let them get a job to help pay for their education just like here in the US. Higher education was never meant to be free for all. You want a better education, work for it and stop the childish whining. _______________________________ Outback said: In Dublin the Irish government announced cuts to welfare that will see pensioners and single mothers thrown on struggle street.As if it isnt hard enough for them to survive on a pittance! David responds: Wait until Portugal and Spain hit the skids. Their debt because social engineering is really a mess. Rioting in the streets will come to those countries as well. I mentioned this proble many months ago and you and Chrono said I was out of my mind. All across the Europe the same thing is happening because of overextending government control and nanny state ideology. ________________________________ Outback said: The Fatcats who created this crisis,instead of being jailed,are actually being rewarded. WHY? Because the governments of the world are ruled by the Super rich and they know that most of you will sit passively back and literally take it!!!!!!!! David said: The countries of Europe were [are] governed by elitist, socialistic, and progressive politicians. They mostly have been voted out of power like in England, Greece and most recently in the US. Hopefully, more level headed politicians will figure out how to balance budgets and create jobs in the business sector without creating huge taxes. ______________________________ You keep attacking successful countries because of the hard working citizens. Why do you think millions want to immigrate to the United States so as to better their lives and their children’s lives? Why not attack China where over 300 million live without running water or electricity which is equal to the entire population of the United States. Why not attack the countries in Sub-Sahara where hundreds of millions live in poverty because of their corrupt governments. Those who attack the successful countries are not paying enough attention to the countries which take advantage of the folks they are supposed to represent. Without successful countries, the anarchy that will ensue will turn this planet into the anarchy many want to see happen. Do you want to see anarchy run rampant? I didn’t think so. .  chronology: Mr David, I just realised the ideal Holiday Gift for you. One of those sliding stretchers mechanics use. Then you can kiss up to Rich folks without getting off the floor.  Qz: Jack is correct. Here in the U.S. The lower and middle income pay more in taxes and receive less. The rich pay less and receive more. I know several folks including myself that NEEDS health care but cannot afford it. Also several folks that have had their jobs shipped out of the country by companies that received tax breaks. But we do more and more for the rich. I wish people would wake up and stop worshiping these money mongers. davidk14: . Here are the facts… From the United States Office of Tax Analysis and the United States Treasury Department… Under the U.S. income tax system, the taxes collected are paid by the people who make the most money. That is exactly the way the system works, says the U.S. Treasury Department. According to the United States Office of Tax Analysis, the U.S. individual income tax is "highly progressive," with a small group of higher-income taxpayers paying most of the individual income taxes each year. • Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. • In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total. • Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush's tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. • In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise. • The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent. • The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent. • The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm So next time someone tells you, “… The lower and middle income pay more in taxes and receive less. The rich pay less and receive more” you can tell them they are not fully in command of the facts. . Wampum6: So many people talk like they know/understand so much of the USA, but few, if any, are actually now or ever have been citizens.  Malobear: Anger of House Democrats boils over POLITICO-House Democrats railed against President Barack Obama's tax cut deal with congressional Republicans in a closed-door caucus meeting Tuesday night, even as there were signs that the White House could pick up enough support for the package to win enactment. Speaker after speaker expressed frustration at the president's acquiescence to Republican demands for a multi-year freeze on the rates for top income in exchange for an extension of unemployment insurance and a basket of Democratic-favored tax breaks, according to several Democratic sources. "Our guys got taken to the cleaners," Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen said of the White House's handling of a provision on the estate tax as he presented the plan to the caucus, according to sources who were in the room. Van Hollen was the House Democrats' negotiator in six-party talks involving two administration officials and a lawmkaer from each party in each chamber that produced the sidebar pact between the White House and the GOP. "I disagree that we didn't get anything," Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.) deadpanned to his colleagues. "We got screwed." The anger Democrats telegraphed in public comments Monday turned quickly into an escalating gripe session Tuesday night, according to those present. Those who spoke in favor of the plan were greeted with silence; those opposed received lusty ovations. The White House, which was represented by legislative aides at the meeting, plans to dispatch Vice President Joe Biden to Capitol Hill on Wednesday to work on soothing tensions. A tempestuous caucus meeting won't necessarily translate into defeat of the president's proposal. The question in the minds of many Democrats is whether Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) will put the plan to a vote. Republicans say they will provide near-uniform support for it, meaning only a small share of House Democrats — probably fewer than four dozen — could put it over the top. For all the histrionics — and House leaders' careful avoidance of endorsing the plan — the president has pockets of support from those who fear their constituents would be harmed by a failure to act before Republicans take control of the House in January. Rep. Shelley Berkley, a Nevada Democrat, said the unemployment benefits and tax breaks for families are vital to folks in Las Vegas, where the unemployment rate exceeds 14 percent. "I am not about to play a game of chicken with my constituents' lives, hoping Republicans are going to blink in January," Berkley said after the caucus meeting. She got such a cold reception from colleagues that Reps. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.) offered words of consolation after the meeting and Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) put his arm around her. Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat, said that he can vote for the proposal if there's an adjustment to the estate tax cut. Sherman, a former estate tax accountant, said he wants the new rate of 35 percent applied retroactively to this year in addition to 2011 and 2012. The plan calls for an exemption from the tax on the first $5 million of wealth. Because Congress let the estate tax expire, there is currently no rate in place for this year. Sherman argued that responsible estate tax planners have told the descendants of wealthy individuals to hold back cash to pay the tax in the event of a retroactive reinstatement. Malobear: He said that tweak would secure his vote, as he fears a worse deal is on the horizon for Democrats if they don't act before January. "Under Pelosi, we could pass a deal that's a little better, and the Senate will tolerate it and the president will sign it," he said. Whether House and Senate Republicans would actually swallow such a change is questionable, at best, and it's not clear that the White House is ready to re-open its pact. Right now, the dynamics in the Democratic Caucus are a dangerous mix for the president as he seeks to consummate his first bipartisan act following a disastrous midterm election for his party: As a whole, Democrats are frustrated not just at the product but at a diminishing role in the legislative process that only promises to shrink more in the new Congress. "It's hard to walk away from the table when you aren't at the table," Ackerman quipped. When it comes to American politics,anytime you see the two parties ever agree on something, the american people get screwed. Outbackjack: David,you should start your own political party.You could call it "working class stooges for Capitalist Billionaires.If you ever set up a branch in Western Australia then here is a hot tip for a great recruiting ground: http://www.nursing.health.wa.gov.au/working/graylands.cfm Wampum as usual has nothing of any worth to contribute.Dont make rubbish excuses for the consistent contribution of nothing,either. You might be right David.$700 billion could be wrong according to the Chicago sun times: President Obama’s compromise plan with Republicans is expected to cost anywhere from $700 billion to $900 billion if approved as-is. The extension of President Bush’s tax cuts would cost between $383 billion and $458 billion, according to various estimates. So the American people support the wealthiest 2% of the population getting tax cuts? I didnt see any of that in their election pledges. "David responds: Increasing taxes is not the answer as we have seen in Europe. Increasing business is the answer." Are you referring to the business of giving fatcats trillions of dollars in taxpayer bailouts? "David responds: Europe has seen what happens when social programs get out of control. 80% of American spending is on Welfare Programs and defense. These programs have got to be cut." So why not start with the bailouts and cut these? You are very silent on this issue. "David said: That’s not true. Every American can receive healthcare when needed. The issue is preventive healthcare is not available. Unfortunately, funding these programs currently has led the US into deficit spending and deficit spending has brought the debt up to $14 trillion with unfunded liabilities to fund these existing programs…$110 trillion." Preventative healthcare can ensure serious problems dont arise later.Billions is lost in lost production because people are sick.This effects your Capitalist mates. Unfunded liabilities??? How about increasing corporate tax and cutting back heaps on military spending.Nationalising all the corrupt corporations who caused this mess would also bring in much needed money to government coffers. "David responds: It’s the Donald Trump of the world that creates jobs and donates 100’s of millions of dollars to the poor. The American public donates more than the government to the needy and poor. The US donates more money to the UN than any country on the planet." The Donald Trumps of the world are nothing more than blood sucking parasites.Without working people to exploit these corporations wouldnt produce a single thing. Hey! What am I saying. Most of these Corporations dont actually produce anything worthwhile unless you count junk bonds,CFDs and huge deficits. Outbackjack: "David responds: The people of England also threw the liberals out of power recently just because they ran the economy into the ground…or didn’t you know that." This statement just shows how ignorant you are of what actually happened in the U.K. The people of Britain were sick and tired of the same old Two Party system.They elected a third party,The Liberal Democrats.The Liberal Democrats held the balance of power and the only way to avoid another election was for them to form a government with the tories. So what happened? The Lib Dems did what every so called Social Democratic party has ever done and sold out their ideals just so they could gain power at all costs. "David responds: Let them get a job to help pay for their education just like here in the US. Higher education was never meant to be free for all. You want a better education, work for it and stop the childish whining." How will they get a job when they the average student from a working class background is already doing work to pay for living costs whilst they study? Education is a right! You wax lyrical about the joys of the free market and how great the dog eat dog society is,but fail abysmally to see that an investment in Education creates more skilled robots....errr I mean workers for the Corporations.Without skilled workers the Corporations would just all fall over in a heap. "David responds: Wait until Portugal and Spain hit the skids. Their debt because social engineering is really a mess. Rioting in the streets will come to those countries as well. I mentioned this proble many months ago and you and Chrono said I was out of my mind. All across the Europe the same thing is happening because of overextending government control and nanny state ideology. " Chrono was right.You are out of your mind! It is the greed of bankers/politicians during the boom of the Celtic Tiger(Irish P.M used these same words only yesterday)that caused this mess. Seriously. Do some research and stop listening to those morons on Fox News. "David said: The countries of Europe were [are] governed by elitist, socialistic, and progressive politicians. They mostly have been voted out of power like in England, Greece and most recently in the US. Hopefully, more level headed politicians will figure out how to balance budgets and create jobs in the business sector without creating huge taxes." What a load of old Bollocks! I see you never mentioned Iceland which is also a part of the E.U. "You keep attacking successful countries because of the hard working citizens. Why do you think millions want to immigrate to the United States so as to better their lives and their children’s lives? Why not attack China where over 300 million live without running water or electricity which is equal to the entire population of the United States. Why not attack the countries in Sub-Sahara where hundreds of millions live in poverty because of their corrupt governments." SUCCESSFUL COUNTRIES?????? HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Is success a $13 trillion deficit.Wall street bankers getting rewarded for greed and incompetence.A minimuim wage which is one of the Western worlds lowest.The only Western country THAT DOES NOT HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. If this is success then you can damn well keep it! chronology: Oh Mr Outback. What has Mr David ever Posted on this Site to give you the impression he sucks up to the Rich and talks down any Politics intended to help Americas disadvantaged. davidk14: Outback has said: • This affects your Capitalist mates. • Nationalizing all the corrupt corporations who caused this mess would also bring in much needed money to government coffers • The Donald Trumps of the world are nothing more than blood sucking parasites • Most of these Corporations don’t actually produce anything worthwhile unless you count junk bonds, CFDs and huge deficits. • The Lib Dems did what every so called Social Democratic party has ever done and sold out their ideals just so they could gain power at all costs. • Education is a right! • You should start your own political party. You could call it "working class stooges for Capitalist Billionaires • You wax lyrical about the joys of the free market and how great the dog eat dog society is, but fail abysmally to see that an investment in Education creates more skilled robots....errr I mean workers for the Corporations. Without skilled workers the Corporations would just all fall over in a heap. • Do some research and stop listening to those morons on Fox News. David responds: Research is something you should practice and not preach. Your anti-capitalist rhetoric is very pronounced. For example, you mentioned the SDP which I assume you support since it is anti-capitalist and anti-free market. Then you are well versed with their goals. Researching from their web-site, the SDP professes,”…build a mass revolutionary [violent]socialist party that is capable of organizing the working class to bring into being a socialist society through replacing the political rule of the capitalist class with a working people’s government. In other words…communism. Here are some other “quotes” from this group: What signs are we seeing of resistance and a concerted fight back among the labor movements of the First World? It is realistic to say that this has been limited so far. But this is a slow burn situation. The resistance [violence] will no doubt build as the true implications of the depth of the crisis are revealed over time. What is the state of resistance [violence] to imperialist attacks on an international scale? While the political resistance is led by the struggles in Latin America, and elsewhere in the Third World, we are starting to see signs of a fight back by sectors of the working class in the First World. In Europe and the US, there has been a limited mobilization of the labor movement and other sectors in the face of the financial-economic crisis. Signs of militant struggles have appeared in factory occupations in Britain and Ireland, and popular mobilizations in France and elsewhere. In summary, a realistic framework for viewing the options flowing from these multiple crises of capitalism is provided by the Argentinean Marxist Claudio Katz, in an interview given in July this year. The exit from the systemic crisis of capitalism needs to be political and “a socialist project can mature in this turbulence,” Katz stated. _______________________________ Outback, you are for sure a socialist or perhaps a closet communist. Just be truthful with your postings and declare the underlying causes you support. It makes it much easier for those who read our debates to understand who and what you truly support. Regarding FOX News, get over it. They don’t create the news; they just report it just like any other news organization like MSNBC, ABC or CNN. _______________________________ davidk14: Outback said: So the American people support the wealthiest 2% of the population getting tax cuts? David responds: Well, if you had done some research, you would have found that the latest Gallop Poll shows 67% of the American population support the Bush era tax cuts for the next two years. Why? Because everyone knows, you don’t raise taxes on anyone during a recession…that’s just Economics 101. _____________________________ Regarding “Unfunded liabilities”, if you had done any research on this you would have found the following: The US government has made promises to pay monies today and in the future to it's citizens. We are talking about Social Security and Medicare. The government raises funds for these expenditures from various taxes and then uses the money to fund the program. These programs are considered unfunded liabilities because, projecting out in the future, the revenues from the taxes will not be able to fund the projected expenditures. The numbers are actually quite staggering. The Social Security unfunded liability is projected to be 17.5 trillion dollars. The Medicare unfunded liability is actually projected to be much higher. Medicare actually has parts A, B, and D, Part A funds hospital care. Part B funds Medical visits, and part D funds prescription drugs. The part A unfunded liability is estimated at 36 trillion dollars, part B at 37 trillion dollars, and part D at 15 trillion dollars. The total amount of the unfunded liability comes out to just over 100 trillion dollars, or approximately $33, 000 for every man, woman, and child in the country. The private net worth of all Americans together is estimated at just over $50 trillion dollars by the Federal Reserve, creating a huge deficit issue. I've tried to explain this before but it just may be to complicated for you and Chrono to understand. ___________________________________ So what do you think of the 300,000,000 Chinese that have no electricity or internal plumbing? You have just gotta be screaming about a country that does not provide electricity, inside plumbing or clean water for 300,000,000 million human beings!!! Are you pissed off that they, the Chinese communist fat cats are loaning trillions of dollars to other governments and then making huge profits on these loans yet not providing basic infrastructure to 300,000,000 of their own comrades which equates to the entire population of the United States. . chronology: Mr David.............. China has lifted more people out of poverty in the last 3 decades than any other nation in the history of the world. Fact. Is there still work to do serving the Chinese people? Yes. The United States of America has less real debt (proportional) than practically every other Industrialised Nation. David, you make the same mistake as the 911 Conspiracy d*ckheads when it comes to your 'facts'. You only read what agrees with your views. davidk14: Chrono, You are incorrect as usual. Post your resources and please, if at all possible, no liberal, socialist or communist references. Thank you. Outbackjack: "David responds: Research is something you should practice and not preach. Your anti-capitalist rhetoric is very pronounced. For example, you mentioned the SDP which I assume you support since it is anti-capitalist and anti-free market. Then you are well versed with their goals. Researching from their web-site, the SDP professes,”…build a mass revolutionary [violent]socialist party that is capable of organizing the working class to bring into being a socialist society through replacing the political rule of the capitalist class with a working people’s government. In other words…communism." YOU TALK ABOUT RESEARCH??????? You obviously have no idea of politics whatsoever if you dont understand what a social democrat is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democratic_parties Your above ignorant McCarthyite rant demonstrates that I am dealing with a political leper.You are a complete waste of space! It is very basic stuff and your average Year 12 student would understand the meaning of it. So stop talking talking out of your arse and actually do some research about politics and what the certain tendancies actually are before commenting on here.Copying and pasting is no good if you dont actually understand what you are posting  Your comment was that stupid that I couldnt even bring myself to read anymore of your ridiculous post. davidk14: . Outback said: Your comment was that stupid that I couldn’t even bring myself to read anymore of your ridiculous post. David responds: I re-read my post and find nothing ridiculous about it. So the following will really piss you off… What is the difference between communism and socialism? Contributor - Y**** Answers.com It really is not much different. If socialism is a toddler, communism is a fully matured adult. I grew up in United SOCIALIST Soviet Republic and have studied and personally experienced communist ideology. I have capitalized socialist to clarify that it is simply another name for communist ideology. Socialist agenda seeks a government monopoly over all your freedoms via the disguise of being "caring" and "benevolent". Communist Manifesto is adamant about absolute necessity of socialistic programs and agendas as the foundation upon which a totalitarian government of sheer regulation and tyranny must be built, namely Communism. _______________________________ From: Socialist Party USA / America’s Voice for Democratic Socialism http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/ We are committed to the transformation of capitalism through the creation of a democratic socialist society. Although reforms will not in themselves bring about socialism, the fight for them will advance the cause by demonstrating the inherent limitations and injustice of the capitalist system. As we build the socialist movement, we organize around a platform committed to our common and interdependent struggles and aspirations. The Socialist Party fights for progressive changes compatible with a socialist future. We support militant working class struggles. (Key word...MILITANT) ____________________________________ The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism. Karl Marx Luckily, there is plenty of opposition. _____________________________________ Oh…and let’s not forget…Karl Marx stated and believed that capitalism would be replaced by socialism which in turn would bring upon communism which of course is the goal now isn’t it. You need to realize you are being manipulated so as to be turned into a drone or as some might say, a squid. . chronology: David. Going off Topic for second. What do you have to say about The Phoenix Lights?. Did you see them that night? It was either 'The Day the World Stood Still' for you Guys in Arizoner, or some crazy mass illusion. What do you think? davidk14: . Off topic... I believe... After seeing the the visual evidence of video a number of times, the video I saw, I believe that the lights were from flares dropped by military aircraft during a scheduled military exercise near Phoenix. . Outbackjack: So you actually reread the post and found nothing ridiculous about it????? Are you serious!!! I mention social democratic parties in a passing reference and you rant and rave about Communists and their plots to take over the world. **************NEWSFLASH*********************** The Democrats are a social democratic party. Reread this before digging an even bigger hole for yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democrats davidk14: . Outback said: You obviously have no idea of politics whatsoever if you don’t understand what a social democrat is…. David responds: Since you posted the Wiki website for Social Democracy, the following are interesting ideas and passages this article documents....As you said, it is very basic stuff and your average Year 12 student would understand the meaning of it. • Practical modern social democratic policies include the promotion of a welfare state. • Historically, social democracy is a form of evolutionary reformist socialism that advocated the establishment of a socialist economy through class struggle. • The contemporary social democratic movement came into being through a break within the socialist movement in the early years of the twentieth century. Speaking broadly, this break can be described as a parting of ways between those who insisted upon political revolution as a precondition for the achievement of... “...socialist goals and those who maintained that a gradual or evolutionary path to socialism is both possible and desirable”. • Social democratic political parties, which sometimes also include a democratic socialist element, operate in many developed and developing countries, including France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Spain, Australia, and Brazil. • Most European social democratic parties are members of the Party of European Socialists which is one of the main political parties at the European level and its parliamentary group the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats. • Globally, most social democratic parties worldwide are members of the Socialist International Policies and Practices by social democratic parties • Nationalization • Welfare state Names used by social democratic parties • New Democratic Party • Socialist Party • Social Democratic Party • Democratic Socialist Party • Labour Party • Social Democratic Union\ • Socialist International • International Union of Socialist Youth • Party of European Socialists • Young European Socialists • International Trade • Union Confederation And as you said to me, “… It is very basic stuff and your average Year 12 student would understand the meaning of it.” Interesting site…yet…You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig. . | Politics Chat Room 71 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
