Gaza News update. (Page 4)

Outbackjack: The Enabling Act (23 March 1933) made Hitler was the all-powerful Fuhrer of Germany. The Law against the Formation of Parties (14 July 1933) declared the Nazi Party the only political party in Germany. It was an offence to belong to another Party. All other parties were banned, and their leaders were put in prison.

Nazi Party members, however, got the best jobs, better houses and special privileges. Many businessmen joined the Nazi Party purely to get orders.



Hitler banned all Trade Unions on 2 May 1933. Their offices were closed, their money confiscated, and their leaders put in prison. In their place, Hitler put the German Labour Front which reduced workers' pay and took away the right to strike. The National Labour Service sent men on public works programmes.

To keep the workers happy, the Nazis set up the Strength through Joy movement, which offered good workers picnics, free trips to the cinema and (for the very few) free holidays.

davidk14: Thats what I said. You need to read my posts slower. I know the e-soldier got you rattled a little.

Outbackjack: No you didnt.

I have just shown how Hitler shutdown the trade unions.
I have shown how there is no link to Marxism.

You need glasses.

davidk14: Outback, I'm going to bed. I got to go to work in the morning. When I get home, I'll look up the information. Have a good night.

Outbackjack: Okay David,I hope you have pleasant dreams and remember to check under your bed.

chronology: Mr Outback. It is amazing what a grasp Mr David has on History. Perhaps you could explain to him how the first people thrown into Concentration Camps were Trade Unionists. Probably Mr David thinks Lady Thatcher was for Trade Unions.

davidk14: (Make sure you read page 2)


Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
Volume Two: The National Socialist Movement
Chapter XII: The Trade Union Question
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THE RAPID GROWTH OF THE MOVEMENT compelled us in 1922 to take a position on a question which even today is not entirely solved.
In our attempts to study those methods which could most easily open up to the movement the way to the hearts of the masses, we always encountered the objection that the worker could never be entirely with us because the defense of his interests in the purely occupational and economic field lay in the hands of our enemies and their organizations.
This objection, of course, had much to be said for it. It was a matter of general belief that the worker who was active in a factory could not even exist unless he became a member of a union. Not only that his occupational interests seemed protected by this alone, but his position in the factory for any length of time was conceivable only as a union member. The majority of the workers were organized in trade unions. These, on the whole, had fought out the wage struggles and concluded the agreements which assured the worker of a certain income. Without doubt the results of these struggles benefited all the workers in the factory, and inevitably conflicts of conscience arose, especially for the decent man, if he pocketed the wage which the unions had won him, but remained aloof from the struggle.
It was hard to speak of these problems with the average bourgeois employer. They neither had (or perhaps wanted to have) any understanding for the material side of the question nor for the moral side. Finally, their own supposed economic interests argue from the start against any organizational grouping of the workers under them, and for this reason alone most of them can hardly form an unprejudiced judgment. Here, as so often, it is therefore necessary to turn to outsiders who do not succumb to the temptation of not seeing the forest for the trees. These, with good will, will much more easily achieve understanding for a matter which in any event is among the most important of our present and future life.
In the first volume I have expressed myself with regard to the nature and purpose, and the necessity, of trade unions. There I espoused the viewpoint that, as long as no change in the attitude of employer to worker is brought about either by state measures (which for the most part, however, are fruitless) or by a universal new education, there remains nothing for the worker to do but stand on his rights as an equal contracting party and defend his own interests in economic life. I further emphasized that safeguarding his interests in this way was entirely compatible with a whole national community if it can prevent social injustices which must subsequently bring about excessive damage to the entire community of a people. I further declared that this necessity must be considered to prevail as long as there exist among employers men who, left to themselves, not only have no feeling for social duties, but not even for the most primitive human rights; and from this I drew the inference that, once such a self-defense is regarded as necessary, its form can reasonably exist only in a grouping of workers on a trade-union basis.
And in the year 1922 nothing changed in this general conception of mine. But now it was necessary to seek a clear and definite formulation of our attitude toward these problems. It was not acceptable to content ourselves in future with mere knowledge; it was necessary to draw practical inferences from it.
We required the answer to the following questions:
1. Are trade unions necessary?
2. Should the NSDAP itself engage in trade-union activitv or direct its members to such activity in any form?
3. What must be the nature of a National Socialist trade union! What are our tasks and aims?
4. How shall we arrive at such unions?

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davidk14: (Continued fom Hitlers Mein Kampf)

I believe that I have adequately answered the first question. As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence.
Above all, the trade unions are necessary as foundation stones of the future economic parliament or chambers of estates.

From:
http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/mkv2ch12.html

chronology: Look Mr David I am trying to be polite here but there are times when you are ridiculous. You quote Hitler as if he meant what he said.
When Margret Thatcher came to power the first speech she made quoted the Prayer of St Francis. Do you honestly think that was a statement of intent? She spent ten years doing the exact opposite to what is written in that prayer.

davidk14: .

Chrono,

This came right from the horse’s mouth…right out of Hitler’s bible…Mein Kampf. According to your logic, the apple I’m eating right now is really a banana and the concentration camps didn’t exterminate Jews.

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Outbackjack: Ridiculous is being way to kind Chrono.

1922?
As in 5 years after the Russian revolution?

Hitler was a madman and a hypocrite.He sent many trade union leaders to concentration camps.His rabid writings were just a tool to try and win over Communist members who were looking towards the Russian revolution.Mussolini did the same thing.The so called third way as its called.

You whinge about the Nazis but do you know who the main group of people who opposed them were called?

Communists.

And in the early 1930s there were 10.8 million paid up card carriers in Germany alone.

I bet you didnt know that.

So please study your history before making such stupid comments.
Hitler tried to win over the Communists to his cause and when that didnt happen he set fire to the Reichstag.

chronology: Good News. U.S.State Department is rumoured to announce direct face to face talks between palestinian and Israeli Officials will resume in 48 hours (from today 19th August). The two sides have been in indirect talks for some time now after direct negotiations broke down. So fingers crossed and let's all wish both sides well. Human Rights Groups are urging improvements in Gaza's Food and Freedom of movement be top of the Agenda.

davidk14: I will bet you $100 that when the talks get close, Hamas and Hezbolla will start targeting and attacking Israel just as they have done every time peace negociations get started. Any takers?

chronology: Gaza 5 years on. It was one of the traumatic events in modern Israeli history. 'Big Arry' Sharon Israels legendary old campaigner had done the unthinkable. He had evicted 9000 settlers from Gaza. Jewish women were dragged, sometimes by the hair, out of their homes, which had been illegally built on Palestinian land. Some folks thought the violent evictions of Jewish families would lead to progress in the Palestinian/Israeli negotiations but the result has been debatable. One Jewish former settler dismissed any progress achieved by her eviction saying; 'Gaza was turned into a Big Cage the moment we left'. Palestinians too point to the fact that tho the settlers had left, Israel maintained control over Electricity, Ports, Water, Air Space, Imports/Exports. 5 years on, Jewish families can only look at the rubble of their old homes and wonder what was achieved.

davidk14: .

Chrono,
Yes, you are correct in saying the pull out of Gaza was one of the traumatic events in modern Israeli history.

However your facts are incorrect…again.

The land the Israeli’s built their 21 settlements which 1600+ families lived in for decades, was not Palestinian land. The land had belonged to Egypt which Israel won when Egypt invaded Israel in 1967. You should research historical documents a little more.


The Gaza Strip acquired its current boundaries at the end of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, which was confirmed in the Israel-Egypt Armistice Agreement on Feb. 24th, 1949. Article V of the Agreement declared that the demarcation line was not to be an international border.


The Gaza Strip continued to be occupied by Egypt and they controled the territory through the All-Palestine Government and then directly from 1959 until 1967, when Israel won it following the Six-Day War in 1967.



Pursuant to the Oslo Accords signed between Israel and the Palestinian Liberation Organization in 1993, the Palestinian Authority was set up as an interim administrative body to govern Gaza with Israel maintaining control of Gaza Strip's airspace until a final agreement could be reached.


Even though the Palestinians avoided honoring the agreement, Israel still honored their commitment to the Oslo Accords since the Israeli’s “said they would honor it” and evacuation from Gaza in 2005 and lived up to the Oslo Accords….unlike the Palestinians which in turn started the second infatada which murdered dozens of Israel’s.

Over the last number of years, thousands of attacks on Israel have occurred from Gaza. Returning the Gaza just shows that the Palestinians were not serious about peace which caused many Israelis, espectially those that lived in Gaza to wonder why they did give the Gaza up…land for peace?


Will Israel again give up land for peace? Yes they will. Israel made peace with Jordan and with Egypt…and they will try once again with the Palestinians.

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chronology: Mr David.......... Saying 'the Palestinians are not serious about peace' because of Rocket attacks on Israel, is like saying 'Americans are not serious about Peace' because of terrorist acts by Cuban exiles in Florida. Practically all Rocket attacks on Israel are by Militants who are not connected with the Palestinian Authority.

franklin1950: hamas is the authority in palistine.
dooly elected . given mandate and blessings .
they wil be re- ellected as they are doing the will of the voters .

chronology: Yes Hamass are the Authority in Gaza (not West Bank), but they do not approve or organise Rocket Attacks on Israel any more than the U.S. Government approved of weapons for the I.R.A.

franklin1950: naive ....
just a state of mind

chronology: Look Franklin, most of the people in Ireland did not support violence in the struggle for Independence for Northern Ireland. What would you think if Britain cut off the electricity and water supply to Ireland? What if Britain block-aided Irish Ports and controlled their Air Space? It would have been morally wrong. It is morally wrong to collectively punish the Palestinian people.

davidk14: .

Chrono...What if....what if...what if....That’s all you got...What if…

The people of Gaza voted in Hamas to represent them. The people of Gaza must be held accountable for the actions of Hamas and what happens inside Gaza. If they don't like th current government, they can vote them out.

Rockets fired from Gaza are the responsibility of the controlling power in Gaza which is Hamas. Since Gaza is controlled by Hamas and Hamas is attacking Israel, the Palestinians should be grateful, yes grateful, that they “are” getting power and humanitarian supplies from the Israeli’s”.


Oh…and let’s not forget the horrible new mall which just opened in Gaza….






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chronology: Mr David. You are either remarkably stupid, or despicably callous. Food prices in Gaza are artificially high due to Israeli regulations. Palestinian Moms can only buy some food items supplied by Israeli suppliers. And you come up with glitzy high range shops. I agree Israelis have problems with rockets (rockets that have killed one person in the last year), rockets that inconvenience Israeli families. What many of us are saying (people who include I.D.F. servicemen. and Mossad Officers) is that the disproportionate response to this Palestinian action is barbaric and is turning Israel into the most hated country in the world. A man was responding to a question about why Pakistan has received so little help with Flood Aid, he said; 'I think it is public perception of Pakistan these days, APART FROM ISRAEL, I CANNOT THINK OF A COUNTRY MORE HATED AND DESPISED THAN PAKISTAN TODAY' (my capitals).

davidk14: Chrono,

I must say, you sir, are a completely out of touch with the reality of world politics.

Israel, a ligitimate country, under attack by a terrorist entity committed to its destruction...

...that evacualted the Gaza honoring it's committment and following the Oslo Accords, is the villian.

...still allowing power, food and other commodities into Gaza, is the villian.

...for responding in defense of Israeli citizens, they are the villians.

...allowing ships to dock either in Israel or Egypt for humanitarian items to reach Gaza, is the villian.

Yet you refuse to hold Hamas accountable for its murderous history and it's genocidal goals of eliminating Israel.


You are completely out of your mind. Perhaps insane you are.

Or... perhaps you support Hamas and their genocidal doctrine.


Israel believes in peace and living peacefully with it's neighbors, signing peace agreements with Jordan and Egypt...the other, Hamas, believing in genocide.

You can't support both Israel and Hamas...That's impossible.

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chronology: Mr David, the only person out of touch with reality is you, 'Israel still "allows" water and power into Gaza', who the hell gives Israel the Right to dictate to the people of Gaza what they eat, drink and when they have electricity? You know, I would hate to see Israel suffer a natural disaster like Pakistan. But what would be interesting is seeing how the world would react. The U.S.A. would fall over itself throwing money at Israel, but how many other countries would help? hmmmm that would be interesting to see. If that Aid Guy was correct in his assessment of how hated Israel is right now, not many.

Outbackjack: At a quick glance (wasnt worth much more) I can see David is still spewing his verbal diahorrea.

Wipe the foam from your chin.