Truth vs.

davidk14
davidk14: The following is very interesting and most people will be shocked and perhaps will be very hard to accept and comprehend. I hope you will be open minded to first read the following and digest the information that can now be supported through historical documents.

There is a book recently released named “Blacklisted by History” written by M. Stanton Evans which using recently released information from FBI files which were sealed in 1953 for 50 years because of national security reasons.

The FBI supports what McCarthy had been trying to bring into the light of day, that there was a massive communist penetration of the United States senate and congress for the reason of over throwing the United States government.

These recently released documents showed that there was a cover-up by the US government and that McCarthy had threaded to expose the cover-up. He was demonized, threatened and politically destroyed by the press that supported the government of the day. The people of the day said that the truth was so big that Americans could not believe the government could be infiltrated as deep as it was. Many of these documents are currently housed at the University of Virginia @ Charlottesville in their archives.

What is similar from that time 50 years ago is that those involved in the cover up were using “a crisis to push the communist agenda” which is similar to the current administrations “never let a crisis go to waste” and the number of self proclaimed "revolutionaries" supporting the "fundamental changing" of America. There is another document, the “Ruttier Memorandum” which also stated “…how to silence conservative views especially on the airwaves” which is related to the current “…Fairness Doctrine” that the left wing want to impose on the current political scene. This type of “doctrine” for example is being used in Venezuela to silence the conservatives in that country or the recent FCC filing for control of the internet which was struck down by a federal court.

In the Town Hall Magazine, there is a document, “The Anatomy of a Smear Campaign”. This is a document that shows how leftists are trying to smear the truth of past and current history. It shows the smear vs. the documented truth and the tactics of communists to isolate, demonize and destroy the truth. This was written by Meredith Jessup.

Again, this information is recently released, is shocking and perhaps most will not be able to comprehend. I hope you will be open minded to have read this information now supported after 50 years of being held back for US national security reasons which helps support and validate the McCarthy congressional hearings.

Do your homework. I can't wait to read the book.
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chronology
chronology: @ Mr David. Joseph Nye Welch special council defending United States Army Officers and Clerks accused of being communist and 'loyal only to the Soviet Union' by Sen McCarthy summed up the feelings of many Americans when he faced Sen McCarthy in Court and said; 'Have you no sense of decency Sir?, at long last have you left no sense of decency'?. Sen McCarthy was also accusing president Eisenhower of being a communist, along with 'an long list of State Department Staff' (he never actually got around to showing anyone the names on that list of State Department Staff), but none the less he waved the list and said he knew who the communists were. In some ways Sen McCarthy was like an alcoholic let loose in Jack Daniels Tennessee Mill when he began accusing Hollywood Screen Writers, State Department Staffers, U.S. Army Officers, (and President Eisenhower) of being Reds. Americans were angry and frustrated by the debacle in Korea, a debacle prevented from being a defeat only by President Eisenhower's threat to use Nuclear Weapons. Scapegoats had to found, and Sen McCarthy found them.
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davidk14
davidk14: After 50 years and now that the documents are declasified, The FBI agreed with McCarthy's statements that communists were infiltrating the US government. This is now a part of history. We'll just have to read the documents which support the FBI's findings.
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chronology
chronology: Mr Richard Nixon always wondered how his career would have unfolded if he had not been Mr McCarthy's assistant in the McCarthy witch hunts. Mr Nixon was convinced the Press always held a grudge against him because of his work with Mr McCarthy. When he retired one time from politics in the 1960s he said to a group of pressmen, 'I would like you all to reflect on what you are loosing now you do not have me to kick around'. President Eisenhower also seemed to give Mr Nixon a hard time for his dealings with Mr McCarthy. A White House Staff member remembered how Mr Nixon often used to come out of a room where he had been with President Eisenhower and other politicians; 'Nixon's eyes were red, you could tell he was close to tears. Ike used to really rip into him, making fun of him'.
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franklin1950
franklin1950: to few people read books.
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davidk14
davidk14: Again, the idea of the "witch hunt" you speak of was created by those who created the cover up. So you need to stop supporting the spread of slanderous statements created by the media of the 1950's.
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chronology
chronology: @ Mr David. I would enjoy watching you meet the families of the loyal patriotic American Servicemen and Civil Servants whose lives were destroyed by Sen McCarthy.
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davidk14
davidk14: He didn't destroy their lives, the press did. He just asked questions just like the congressional hearings that investigate now a days. The media made a circus out off his proceedings. Again, it was the recently released FBI reports that supported what McCarthy had been trying to bring into the light of day, that there was a massive communist penetration of the United States senate and congress for the reason of over throwing the United States government. He just asked questions just like the panels that investigate now a days.
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davidk14
davidk14: If you havn't noticed, current congressional hearings aren't exactly love fests. It is the responsibility of the media to neither support nor condemn. It is the medias responsibility to bring the truth to light. The media of the 1950's did nothing except to manipulate the truth.
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: I was right.

You are a raving lunatic of the McCarthyite mould.
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davidk14
davidk14: You obviously didn't read the following which started this thread:

There is a book recently released named “Blacklisted by History” written by M. Stanton Evans which using recently released information from FBI files which were sealed in 1953 for 50 years because of national security reasons.

The FBI supports what McCarthy had been trying to bring into the light of day, that there was a massive communist penetration of the United States senate and congress for the reason of over throwing the United States government.
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davidk14
davidk14: These recently released documents showed that there was a cover-up by the US government and that McCarthy had threaded to expose the cover-up. He was demonized, threatened and politically destroyed by the press that supported the government of the day. The people of the day said that the truth was so big that Americans could not believe the government could be infiltrated as deep as it was. Many of these documents are currently housed at the University of Virginia @ Charlottesville in their archives.
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davidk14
davidk14: So, with this information now available, before you demonize the messenger, perhaps you should keep an open mind and first read the book before making a fool out of yourself by being manipulated by the media because of what you "think" you know.
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IamEggman
IamEggman: David,
Are you saying McCarthy and Hoover didnt play a part in the destruction of peoples lives?
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davidk14
davidk14: I dont know how many ways to communicate with you. Just read what I have already written. Go buy the book and read it.
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davidk14
davidk14: Speaking of subversives living among us here in the US, the following was reported today by the AP....

Ten people have been arrested for allegedly serving as secret agents of the Russian government in the United States, the Justice Department said Monday. Eight of 10 were arrested Sunday for allegedly carrying out long-term, deep cover assignments in the United States on behalf of Russia.

Their job, according to the court papers in the case, was "to search and develop ties in policymaking circles" in the United States.The arrests were the result of a multiyear FBI investigation into an alleged network of U.S.-based agents who concealed all connections between themselves and Russia.

The U.S. government intercepted a message from Russian intelligence headquarters in Moscow to two of the defendants, Richard and Cynthia Murphy. "You were sent to USA for long-term service trip," the message from Moscow. "Your education, bank accounts, car, house etc. -- all these serve one goal: fulfill your main mission, i.e. to search and develop ties in policymaking circles in US," the message added.

Interesting that they are still trying to infiltrate our society at every level, living among us, don't ya think?
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davidk14
davidk14: Would you support a congressional committee holding hearings into the latest Soviet infiltrations?
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: He still thinks that Soviets exist???????
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IamEggman
IamEggman: David,
You have Al Alqaeda, the Chinese, the Mexican drug cartels, European socialist welfare and now the soviets(?) Is there anyone not out to destroy U.S?
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chronology
chronology: July 1951, Irving Saypol gleefully described by Time Magazine as 'The Nations number one Hunter of Communists' repeatedly asks Dashiell Hammett to name the contributors to a Bail Fund set up to help Free jailed 'Reds' accused of teaching people to overthrow the U.S. Government. To each question 'Dash' Hammett refuses to answer claiming his 5th Amendment Right. Hammett who served his country in both the first and second world wars was then sentenced to 6 months in prison for contempt of Court. As one Biographer of Hammett said; 'his finest service to his country was that day in court'. Mr David, do you still continue in justifying such history? Why resurrect such divisive memories>
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davidk14
davidk14: Outback said: He still thinks that Soviets exist???????

Eggman said: You have Al Alqaeda, the Chinese, the Mexican drug cartels, European socialist welfare and now the soviets(?) Is there anyone not out to destroy U.S?

David said: Regarding Eggman…
• Al Qaeda, yes...(Along with the rest of the western world that doesn’t believe that Muhammad is the one and only profit of Alla)
• Chinese, no (we owe too much money)…
• Mexican Cartels, no…(The US is their best customer for their drugs)
• European Socialist Welfare, no…(not the welfare, that already has been shown to be a ballbuster)
• Is there anyone not out to destroy the US? Of course there are….silly goose.
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davidk14
davidk14: David said: Outback, you continue to avoid the question. Yet you comeback on me with do I still think the Soviets exist? Eggman used the word ‘soviet’ yet you say nothing. Why do you refuse to answer my questions? Let me ask you again, using the set-up to the question as well:

AP - Ten people have been arrested for allegedly serving as secret agents of the Russian government in the United States, the Justice Department said Monday. Eight of 10 were arrested Sunday for allegedly carrying out long-term, deep cover assignments in the United States on behalf of Russia.

Their job, according to the court papers in the case, was "to search and develop ties in policymaking circles" in the United States. The arrests were the result of a multiyear FBI investigation into an alleged network of U.S.-based agents who concealed all connections between themselves and Russia.

The U.S. government intercepted a message from Russian intelligence headquarters in Moscow to two of the defendants, Richard and Cynthia Murphy. "You were sent to USA for long-term service trip," the message from Moscow. "Your education, bank accounts, car, house etc. -- all these serve one goal: fulfill your main mission, i.e. to search and develop ties in policymaking circles in US," the message added.

Question, Interesting that they are still trying to infiltrate our society at every level, living among us, don't ya think?
Question, Do you think when a congressional hearing is convened and these folks as well as others are grilled regarding their involvement or intended involvement with these activities are accused of treason, that it is unfair? That their names are going to be dragged through the mud by the current liberal press?
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davidk14
davidk14: Chrono said: July 1951, Irving Saypol gleefully described by Time Magazine as 'The Nations number one Hunter of Communists' repeatedly asks Dashiell Hammett to name the contributors to a Bail Fund set up to help Free jailed 'Reds' accused of teaching people to overthrow the U.S. Government. To each question 'Dash' Hammett refuses to answer claiming his 5th Amendment Right. Hammett who served his country in both the first and second world wars was then sentenced to 6 months in prison for contempt of Court. As one Biographer of Hammett said; 'his finest service to his country was that day in court'. Mr David, do you still continue in justifying such history? Why resurrect such divisive memories.

David said: Chrono, first of all, Time Magazine has been and continues to be the poster child for the progressive liberal left. Here in the US, you are asked a simple question. You decide not to answer and use the 5th amendment as your answer. You are found guilty of contempt. All he had to do was answer the question…truthfully. Usually, those that use the 5th use it because if they answer truthfully, they will be found guilty of the charge or charges. So Chrono, your defense of this person is null and void. Try another one.

Again, sure there were folks that might have been trashed but not by the congress, but by the liberal progressive media of the day trying to make the government the bad guy. After all, the “Soviets” were trying to overthrow the government of the USA. The progressive movement for the last 100 years has supported the change of the US (government) from a free economy to a liberal, socialist, nationalist, and progressive causes and uses the press to spread as much distrust and promote its agenda through propaganda and false information to promote it’s agenda.
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chronology
chronology: @ Mr David. I have heard absolutely everything now, 'Time Magazine a Liberal Magazine'. Time is like the British 'Economist' Magazine, it is nothing but a mouthpiece for International Capitalism. Incidentally, the Right Wing Press you worship so much was in the forefront of leading ill-will against Jewish folks fleeing persecution in Europe. The British Daily Mail twisted the word 'Refugee' to 'RefuJew' to make fun of them.
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davidk14
davidk14: You got to get better c^%w& to smoke
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Outbackjack
Outbackjack: So we have cleared it up that the Soviets no longer exist and they werent divining the spirit of Joseph Stalin to introduce a Communist plot to take over the U.S?

Yes the Russians were spying on the U.S just like the U.S spies on Russia.
All countries spy on one another.

Now you answer me a question:

Are you really surprised?

Australia even spied on the U.S

KIM Beazley has told how Australia cracked top-secret American combat aircraft codes while he was defence minister in the 1980s.

"We spied on them and we extracted the codes," Mr Beazley told Parliament during his valedictory speech today.

Mr Beazley, who was defence minister from 1984 to 1990, said that when he took over the job he soon learned that the radar on Australia's Hornets could not identify most potentially hostile aircraft in the region.

In other words, Australia's frontline fighter could not shoot down enemies in the region.

Mr Beazley said he was greatly tempted to "belt" the Liberals with this and lay to rest their claim to be best at managing defence.

"I shut up, I said nothing," Mr Beazley said.

"I went to the US and for five years, up hill and down dale, with one knock-down, drag-out after another, with Cap Weinberger, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, I tried to get the codes of that blasted radar out of them.

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"In the end we spied on them and we extracted the codes ourselves and we got another radar that could identify (enemy planes).

Mr Beazley said the Americans were Australia's most important ally.

"But they are a bunch of people you have to have a fight with every now and then to get what you actually need out of them," he said.

Mr Beazley said that the story of getting the Hornet codes was well known within Defence, but not beyond it.

He said the problem was that the old codes related to Warsaw Pact aircraft, rather than ones in Australia's region.

The Americans kept saying they'd provide the codes, but never did.

"So we tried to cxzx# the codes so we could enhance them," Mr Beazley said.

"And we made a lot of progress."

Mr Beazley said the Americans knew what the Australians were doing and were intrigued by the progress they made.

news.com.au
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