glen beck - friend or foe

franklin1950: another amazing show today . fact or fantasy ?
viewers oppinions will probably hold more value . for or against.

i am refering to the television program on fox news network and not the a.m. [ as aposed to fm ] radio broadcast .

he has lay out his premices and also his conclusions .

i'm interested in what americans think.
i like many others though not americans realize the way america goes effects every one .

davidk14: His show today was amazing and forthcoming.

Was shocked to hear per the Business Insider Magazine, that the US Government in 2010 is projected to issue almost as much new debt as the rest of the governments of the world combined.

This administration is out of its comfort zone and its true intentions are being brought to the surface....not in Glenn Becks words, in their own words and deeds.

franklin1950: i can understand any reluctence of some to comment not wanting to be concidered for the " 23 million " mentioned in the show on thursday june 10 .

davidk14: Franklin, Beck was voted second to Oprah as most influental on Americans. People are just afraid. Fear has many just hoping Beck is wrong. Hell, Beck has said he prays he is wrong. Unfortunaely, the evidence is mounting up.

franklin1950: if the " fairness doctrine " comes about it will have a negative on fox but the legeslated effects 0n talk radio would be a real coo [sp] for the left.

davidk14: Control of the US media by the progressives / socialists / communists...will not happen. Too many people still believe in the 1st amendment. Obama is in deep trouble and even the "media left of center" is not happy and seriously questioning his leadership and management performance.

IamEggman: Is this the same Beck who said empathy lead to National Socialism in Germany?

davidk14: Eggman, Actually it was Oliver Stone who siad it. Per the website frontpageweb.com the following....

Last week the director Oliver Stone caused quite a stir when, in describing his new Showtime mini-series, “A Secret History of America,” he declared that Adolf Hitler was an “easy scapegoat throughout history… [who]’s been used cheaply.” “We can’t judge people as only ‘bad’ or ‘good,’” Stone continued. Even Hitler was “the product of a series of actions. It’s cause and effect. People in America don’t know the connection between WWI and WWII.” “You cannot approach history,” Stone added in reference to Stalin and Hitler, “unless you have empathy for the person you may hate.”

The furor, as one can imagine, was immediate; not only from historians and Jewish groups, but journalists and politicians as well. As Ron Radosh wrote in his own scathing HNN reply to Stone and the director’s main consultant, the historian Peter Kuznick, it’s hardly novel for academics to argue that Nazism was a product of external and internal circumstances. Without the First World War, Versailles Treaty, or the Great Depression, the Nazi movement could never have achieved the success that it did. And without the repeated social and political crises that defined the latter years of the Weimar Republic, Hitler would not have been named German Chancellor in January 1933. We don’t need “empathy” for Hitler to understand the way that people, even Hitler and the Nazis, were shaped by circumstances. So what in the world is Stone talking about?

One can only speculate as to the director’s precise point of departure. But I’m going to presume that Stone, despite his penchant for sensationalism, is hardly going to make the case that Hitler was a decent human being. The question he probably intends to answer is the same one I address in my recent book, Living With Hitler (reviewed by Jeffrey Gaab in the September 2009 HNN newsletter): How could so many educated, liberal-minded Germans have actively supported, or at the very least passively accommodated, a fanatic like Hitler?

davidk14: Eggman, So where did you hear that Beck was involved with your question???

IamEggman: I saw a clip of his TV show where he said empathy was a dangerous thing and used the nazi's as an example of where it leads to.

Out of curiosity, do you think Beck and the other far right (at least they are far right to me, you may disagree) TV and radio pundits believe what they say or do you think they are just in it for the money?

franklin1950: it is becks anayisis of clips/quotes/ that give him his high ratings and monitary success .
without an audience he would soon be without income. but his views would remain.

davidk14: Glenn Beck says some way out stuff. But unlike many who say way out stuff, he has documention to support his ideas. Here's a real simple connect the dots just as an example...

President Obama's personal minister and advisor at the WH is Jim Wallace. Beck show's a number of video's where Wallace in his own words is talking and says that he is a Marxist for Jesus, a radical, a communist. Now if Beck had said that without the supported materials, Beck would have been considered a nutjob.

Beck shows video and stuff and when you put that information with the information that Obama was in a radical Marxist black revolutionary church for 20 years where the minister has said things like, "God bless America??? God Damn America!!!" and then add to it....

When you put that information with the information from Obama's book, in his own words, "...I like surrounding myself with radicals, and marxist professors...".

Connect the dots is Beck's show. He highly beleives in the constitution and the teachings of the founding fathers. He has numberous guests who are learned scholars on whatever the topic is that day.

He leaves it up to you what you want to believe. He's just connecting the dots. This example is just one of the many discussions he has had.

Outbackjack: Glen who?

davidk14: Outback: Glenn Beck...go to glennbeck.com

Outbackjack: It seems a bit sensationalist to me.

"A fusion of entertainment and enlightenment."

Sounds scary.

I will tell you what.
I noticed that this show is shown on some obscure channel on satellite t.v.
I will watch it one day.

davidk14: You should try it. A number of his shows are on youtube as well.

davidk14: Here is a 10 minute segment from one of his shows.

Outbackjack: I would genuinely watch it but I cant watch utube.

It is very slow out here in the bush and I pay $10 for 100mb.

Suffice to say I dont watch any videos.

davidk14: How far out in the bush are you? What do you do for a living?

Outbackjack: I am far enough out to not have phone lines and only one telephone company(which even then is very poor).

I am self employed mainly as a handyman doing construction work,metalwork and maintenance.

I have to travel long distances sometimes.

I get by but let me tell you if the grain price stays low and our farmers continue to get little rain then I may have to go and start working for the man in one of the big towns.

More travelling for a lot less money.

davidk14: Wow. You work for a living. I have always lived in big cities or near big cities. In the restaurant business, to maximize top line revenue, you need to be in cities of 2-3 million at least. I did live for a few years in the Rockies for a ski resort. I often wonder what it would be like to live in near zero populations. Sounds like bliss except for the money issue of course.

Outbackjack: Yes I work and damn hard.

In near 50C temperatures getting terrorised by the sun,wind(little rain)and endless hordes of flies and mosquitoes in Summer.

I have been to many of the cities in the world and lived in some.But dont care for them much.

The money issues not a huge thing as I still make a good living and own my own land around the area.I am building a home now as I speak.

You would be surprised how strong of a community we have out here.Nearly everyone knows each other.We all help each other and there is very little crime.

davidk14: Good for you. Maybe I'll travel over to your neck of the woods and watch you work. HA! Seriously, anyone need a good cook?

Outbackjack: Oh yes.

We definetely need good cooks here.

All we have are the truck stops and the food is definetely an acquired taste.

Still it means that I never eat out and save some dollars.

davidk14: I dont eat out often for the same reason. To get a good meal costs around $40 per person up tp $100 per person. I can feed myself for $110 per week and thats eating real good. When the girls were home, their friends would come over and we would feast. Good days.

franklin1950: fox news . recomended for those with an intrest in american politics.