More victims in Mexican massacre found across border (Page 2)

OCD_OCD: I have no problem letting stupid people take drugs and kill themselves off, thereby upping the quality of the gene pool. what I do have a problem with is them taking other people down with them, including families or innocents that they come across on the streets.

I don't want to have to support their livelihoods because they have burned out dreams and brains. I don't want to have to support their drug addicted babies nor their medical problems from huffing, puffing, shooting or snorting.

If the only people they killed were themselves, then I would be good wih it.

StuckInTheSixties:

Then be consistent with your preferences. Vie for prohibition of alcohol once again, and apply that to the winos and other alcoholics.

OCD_OCD: it's apples and oranges because alcohol is legal.

StuckInTheSixties:

???

Alcohol causes problems, right?

OCD_OCD: I didn't say alcohol didn't cause problems, but prohibition is not in the offing while drug legalization is.

StuckInTheSixties:

Neither is in the offing. This is all hypothetical. It ain't gonna happen.

But since it's hypothetical, make the hypothetical comparison.

OCD_OCD: I don't see the point in remaking the world. We have to deal with the reality of what is possible, not a complete revamping of our society.

We aren't going to legalize all drugs and we aren't going to open the prison doors and release all of the drug offenders. We aren't going to quit supporting people who are responsible for making bad decisions in their lives, either.

We will never become vegans or survive on only solar and wind generated power, nor will we opt for walking or riding bicycles.

StuckInTheSixties:

Then, in this case, we should acknowledge that the terrible result here - Mexico turning into a narco-state - is of our own making.

OCD_OCD: Mexico must share the blame just as Colombia, Afghanistan and all other countries who harbor the drug trade and cartels.

The US doesn't run the Mexican government and they have a perfect storm of federal, state and local graft and corruption, an easily accessible location, and a poverty ridden populace who are willing to climb up the drug trade ladder over the bodies of their fellow Mexicans.

OCD_OCD: Mexico has made their own hell. Their government is, for the most part, foul and easily corrupted. If Mexico wasn't an economic and political hell hole, their people would not be forced to come to the US illegally in order to survive.

StuckInTheSixties:

Share the blame, yes. But it behooves to emphasize that it's SHARED blame. People aren't inclined to point to themselves when it comes to assigning blame.

None of this would be happening if not for the American appetite for drugs, and the American unwillingness to face up to the realities of prohibition.

With only rare exceptions, any American politician would be committing suicide were he to advocate an end to prohibition. His opponent would accuse that he was "soft on crime" and shrilly rant: "What about the children?!? What about the CHILDREN !!!??? !!!"

OCD_OCD: it wouldn't just be the children, it would encompass everyone who lives in the US.

StuckInTheSixties:

Yes, but you apparently missed my point.

Pulling out clumps of hair, running around in circles while hysterically yelling "What about the children!?! What about the CHILDREN!?!" is the dramatic device that a hypocritical, pandering politician employs to an unthinking, simple-minded electorate.

And it works.

southern77: no matter what happens or is said... just make sure you get the last word in sits


no matter what just make sure you get the last word in

Wild__: The legalization of drugs is the drug cartels worst nightmare. I for one would rather see the revenue from drug abuse to go to the government, in the form of taxation, rather than the cartels.

Prohibition simply does not work.

OCD_OCD: Other than pot, what would you legalize, Wild?

Wild__: I support the legalization, regulation, and taxation of all drugs. That is the only way to keep the money from the drug cartels.

OCD_OCD: Do you think the government would be able to handle something like that? I don't. There is not one single program that hasn't been sold out to politicians friends, political groups and insiders. I wouldn't trust a government entity with my laundry. LOL

Wild__: I'd rather read about government corruption as opposed to beheadings along our southern border.

OCD_OCD: I don't think that our politicians would act any better with that much money and power. the only difference is that they have the ability to legally sanction their own actions.

StuckInTheSixties:

OCD, why would legal distribution have to be one of those government programs you detest? It would have to be taxed, but is your objection to taxation so fundamental that you'd prefer to forgo on that, keep things in place, and tolerate cartels and narco-states? Even if there were government run "stores," distribution centers, or whatever they would be, do you think the possible level of corruption, "selling out," whatever you want to call it, would be present society with a greater detriment than what we have now?

Wild__: I don't think our government will EVER take the necessary action to save the lives of innocent Mexican nationals. 50,000 have died at the hands these brutal drug cartels Since President Felipe Calderon launch his campaign against them.

How many more are going to be tortured, murdered, and beheaded before we try a new approach to drug problems?

StuckInTheSixties:

Many.

Wild__: Sad but true!

OCD_OCD: I honestly don't know, but from what I've seen so far, I can definitely say that the government couldn't handle it. Do we even have a successful governmental run agency?

Yes, I do object to taxation used as a weapon against anything the administration in power chooses. Taxation should be fair, it should not be capricious and arbitrary.