TERRORISTS-A LOT OF DEPRESSED,DISTRUCTIVE AND MENTALLY DESEASED PEOPLE (Page 2)

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...EYE AM WRITING A BOOK ABOUT HUMAN SPAM...ABOUT A YANKY WHO IS DOING WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE AND IS AS COMMEN AS WEIGHT LOSS BOOKS NOW...
...SO YANKY...SO YANKY...SO YANKY...USERFOUND IN A WAR THAT IS WORSE THAN MERE WORDS...HAVE A HEART...NO MORE COLLATERAL DAMAGE PLEASE...COME TO AFRICA...BE A SUPERPOWER...BRING YOUR FREEDOM TO AFRICA...WE HAVE GOLD AND DIAMONDS IF THE OIL RUNS OUT...RWANDA...RWANDA...WHERE DID YOU ALL GO...WE WERE WITH YOU NOT AGAINST YOU...JUST AN OPPINION IN A WORLD OF SO MUCH DEMOCRATIC FREEDOM...

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flashie: ?
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davidk14: It's difficult to say what is or what isn't worth fighting and dying for. We didn't fight or die for the genocide in Ruwanda, or in many other countries. Why not. Because it did not affect your life. Period. I'm 100% behind the Israel's. They are a country under attack. Now some may say that they are murderers. If the US was attacked on the southern border and we retaliated...would we be murderers too? Of course not. So, we pick our fights according to our beliefs. Muslim extremists want to kill us just because they want to kill us. Sorry, anyone supporting them becomes a target as well which unfortunately, includes their families. Sad but true.
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"THANKYOU CNN & FOX FOR OUR SHORT MEMORIES"

So the extremists just woke up one day and wanted to kill everybody for

on reason...oh...good to be enlightened...so it has nothing to do with

geographical claim to land title or history proving today's outcomes.

At least you have a so called superpower on side to supply the gadgets

and like my country...be dragged blind into any war they feel fit to

concoct in the name of so called freedom and democracy.

Ironic...to be shaking hands with pigs of foreign policy and death and

destruction...so glad you all believe in GOD...it seems to be helping

to the extremism !


oooSTUCKONEARTHEYEooo


PS : 'Love thy neighbour' -'exceptions' - money - minerals - oil -

growth - defense - ideals - religion - just typing the word 'religion'

makes me as sick as Nagasaki and very etcetera.
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flashie: @davidk

wasnt palestine a country under attack before it was named israel? is it not true people were told to get their shit and fcuk off at gunpoint? didnt some of these people end up living like 2nd class citizens as refugees in saudi?

i know this because i have friends whos grandparents this happened to.

also, should the rabbis who come to anti zionist demos be murdered (AND theyre families!!?) for not supporting israel?
im truly shocked that a literate man of your age would issue his own fatwa claiming these people should be murdered as well as their familes. are you a nazi?
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flashie: FAO= FOGOFWAR

IS THIS WHAT YOU MEAN?

Tortures
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html

“George W. Bush said the other day that the world should see his administration’s handling of the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison as a model of transparency and accountability. He said those responsible were being systematically punished, regardless of rank. It made for a nice Oval Office photo-op on a Friday morning. Unfortunately, none of it is true.”
~ New York Times (born: 1851 age: 158) , *******-23

“Torture is wrong, even when Americans do it.”
~ God , *******-01

It is natural to want to disbelieve accounts of torture. It is sickening to discover the depths of cruelty your fellow man can sink to. Watch yourself playing the denial game as you read on. If you are like most people, you will find the least offensive torture, or the least solidly documented and seize on it, then discount it, and then try to convince yourself all the horror has gone away. All you have done is sweep it under the carpet. You can’t stop the torture if you lie to yourself that it does not exist. It is real. There are even criminal convictions.

Diplomat Ann Wright argues the tortures concocted showed a deep understanding of Arab and Muslim culture. There is no way ordinary American soldiers came up with these on their own. They must have been taught them by their superiors who had access to experts.

Bush sent a directive in 2002-02 that the resistance in Afghanistan were to be treated as terrorists, unprotected by the Geneva conventions. This left the fighters and POWs open to any conceivable torture.

Navy Seal Dan Cerrillo, testified the CIA ordered the Seals to torture prisoners.
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flashie: Sign at Guantánamo torture camp mockingly reads HONOR BOUND TO DEFEND FREEDOM, reminiscent of Hitler’s Arbeit Macht Frei he had painted over the gates to the Jewish concentration camps.

At Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib here is a partial list of the sexual abuse and torture:

Doctors tortured prisoners. 35 pages of government documents.

A US military investigation found Iraqi detainees were held with their Taping eyes shut in tiny box-like cells for up to seven days at a time while loud music blared at a special operations holding facility.

Government documents on torture obtained unde the freedom of information act by the ACLU.

The Washington Post reported that the CIA is hiding, interrogating and torturing captives in Thailand, Afghanistan and several countries in Eastern Europe. CIA interrogators in the overseas sites are permitted to use the CIA’s approved “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques”; (aka torture) some of which are prohibited by the U.N. convention and by U.S. military law. The black-site program was approved by a small circle of White House and Justice Department lawyers and officials. There are four main arguments against using torture.

It is morally abhorrent. It is condemned by every major religion.

It has no benefits. Under torture, you will say whatever you think the tormenter wants to hear to get them to stop. The information gleaned is worthless. Bush tortured Iraqis to get his phony evidence for war. A terrorist locked away in seclusion is out of the loop. All plans have been changed and the detainee is not up to date. Ask John McCain what he thinks of torture. He knows first hand how ineffective it is.

Standard Operating Procedure . Errol Morris’s full-length documentary on the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib

Using torture lowers the bar. Your opponents then are obligated to use torture too, not only on P.O.W.s but on civilians and children, just as America has done.
Using torture alienates your allies.

Last revised/verified: *******-08

Italian TV broadcast a documentary. It is about the American atrocities and torture in Iraq. One of the most stomach-wrenching scenes is detainees who have been tortured by boring holes with an electric drill, burning, and cutting open and resuturing like turkey. You can play a low-res version of the movie online . You can download the movie with BitTorrent in either Microsoft or Apple QuickTime format The movie deserves to be shown in IMAX, so please try for the hi-res version. Last revised/verified: *******-10

Rape, vaginal and anal of men, women and children.

Killing wounded prisoners.

Murder
Kicking prisoners to death

Sodomy with a broomstick and chemical light.

water-boarding, where a suspect is strapped to a board, turned upside down, and immersed in a wet towel to simulate the feeling of drowning until he loses consciousness.

Throwing off bridge into river and drowning

near suffocation

Parent forced to watch son being tortured.

oy 12 imprisoned. The Red Cross counted 107 juveniles in six American prisons in Iraq.

Government documents show soldiers were ordered to “beat the f**k out of” prisoners.

Chaining to the ceilings of cells for days at a time.

common peroneal strike, aimed at a point just below the knee and intended to disable. Basically pulpifying the legs so they look as though they had though they had been run over by a bus.

starvation

sleep and sensory deprivation: Covering the eyes, ears, wrapping the body in bubble wrap. After a few hours of this, hallucinations set in then eventually permanent insanity.

claustrophobic technique: stuffing POWs into a sleeping bag and winding them with an electrical cord.

Water pit in which detainees have to stand on tip-toe to keep from drowning.

breaking a teen’s jaw, then wiring it shut.

Pulling out fingers and teeth. See Page 49 of Chain of Command.

heat and light manipulation
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flashie: “stress positions”, e.g. hands tied behind back hanging in the air by the wrists.

Severe beatings to the point of death.

Electric shock

Attaching electrodes to private parts. This causes sterility.

Using trained vicious dogs to anally and vaginally rape prisoners.

Severe burning

Setting vicious dogs on children.

Raping young Iraqi boys on video. 14 year old being raped. source. Pulitzer prize winner and breaker of Mai Lai, Seymour Hersch has seen one of the videos. The most horrifying part is the Americans raping a little boy in front of his parents as the little boy screamed. The irony is, this is the very tactic, in the very same torture chamber, that Saddam himself used. Judge Hellerstein is forcing Bush to release the rape videos. Bush is refusing to comply. Last revised/verified: *******-21
A 26 year old man, Arkan Muhammad Ali, was stabbed, shocked with an electrical device, urinated on and kept locked — hooded and naked — in a wooden, coffin-like box.
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flashie: Exposure to fire and smoke.

Pulling out fingernails

Pushing lit cigarettes into ears

Chaining hand and foot in fetal position without food or water.

Forced standing on one leg in the sun

trampling underfoot

Gagging with duct tape

Tormenting with loud music and strobe lights

beating with cables

Prolonged sleep deprivation

punching and kicking detainees

jumping on the naked feet of detainees

covering prisoners in human feces

Hooding

Subjecting to freezing/sweltering temperatures

'Dietary manipulation'. Forcing to eat pork and alcohol forbidden to Muslims. Forcing to eat disgusting things. Forced to eat the contents of a toilet. Forced to drink from a toilet bowl.

Forced to separate feces and urine using bare hands.

Women forced to stir pots of feces and urine mixed with lighter fluid.

Shabah, in which a prisoner is locked in tight handcuffs and leg irons and forced to sit in a contorted position with a stinking sack over the head and loud music playing nonstop.

Hanging by arms from hooks, Palestinian Hanging.

Permitting serious dog bites

Bending back fingers

Taping naked prisoner to board so that cannot move and leaving them there for weeks until they go insane.

Intense isolation for more than 3 months

Slamming the head into a wall until it bleeds.

Stacking of naked prisoners in pyramids.

Injecting with drugs

Leaving bullet in body of wounded prisoner.

Beating prisoners to death

Locking prisoners naked in the dark for days at a time.

Shooting into containers with men inside.

Keeping prisoners in small, outdoor cages.

Pepper spraying in face

Forced public defecation by using dogs to terrorise.

Repeated, prolonged rectal exams

inserting suppositories in the anus, diapering, cutting the clothes off with scissors. page 54 of Chain Of Command.

Forced public m^&*z~@$z*#@

Grabbing genitals

Forcing heads into toilets and flushing

Riding a 70 year old woman like a donkey.

forced breast baring at gunpoint.

Threatening live burial, drowning, electrocution, rape and death

Telling a Guantánamo prisoner the Americans had murdered his family then presented him photos with animal heads superimposed on their bodies.
mock executions. Two US soldiers were convicted of mock executions. The names were not released.

Menstrual Blood. To break the prisoner’s reliance on God, a female interrogator would tell the detainee that she was menstruating, touch him, then make sure to turn off the water in his cell so he couldn’t wash. Strict interpretation of Islamic law forbids physical contact with women other than a man’s wife or family, and with any menstruating women, who are considered unclean. At Guantánamo, a p#wx&*^&*& menstruated on a man strapped the floor.
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flashie: Psychological tortures

handcuffs tight enough to cut the skin

“inappropriate behaviour” with a corpse.

sexual touching

Confining in outdoor cages without protection from the sun.

Forced exercising to the point of heart attack.

Forcing detainees to perform exercises such as deep knee bends for hours on end, to the point of exhaustion.

Blowing cigarette smoke into the sandbags the prisoners were forced to wear as hoods.

Throwing cold water on the prisoners in a room that was between 40 degrees and 50 degrees Fahrhenheit.

Blasting the detainees with heavy-metal music, yelling at them and banging on doors and ammunition cans.

hair pulling

Making child prisoners bark like dogs before being given candy as food.

Flushing the Qur’an (the sacred text of the Muslims) down the toilet. Leaving it out as the only toilet paper. This is equivalent to making Americans shit on or burn the flag. Oddly, this more than any other humiliation or torture, has the Muslims of the world up in arms. 100 people were hurt in protests in Iran. Clerics have even threatened jihad over it. There are also reports of standing on the Qur’an, throwing or kicking it in toilets, and urinating on it. There have been many reports of the Qur’an being stepped on, tossed on the floor and placed in latrines. The LA Times confirmed dozens of such reports not only at Guantánamo, but also at American-run detention facilities in Afghanistan and Iraq. Britons too corroborate the story. The Pentagon lied when they said they had received no reports of Qur’an desecration. The Red Cross informed them as early as 2002. FBI documents confirm widespread Qur’an desecration. Brigadier General Jay W Hood acknowledged incidents of Qur’an abuse. On *******-03, the Pentagon described five confirmed incidents of Qur’an mistreatment at Guantanamo Bay, in which the Muslim holy book was kicked, stepped on, soaked by water balloons, defaced with a scrawled obscenity, and sprayed with urine. Ironically many of those on the newsgroups asserting that it was a preposterous lie than Americans had desecrated the Qur’an had previously posted their own Qur’an desecrating fantasies, and acknowledged atrocities and tortures far worse in American eyes than that. Others asserted flushing a Qur’an down a toilet was impossible ignoring that some Qur’ans you can buy on the net are only 3x4" and that it is quite possible to tear out and flush pages of even the largest Qur’an.
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flashie: The *******-14 memo by Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez clearly establishes that Gen. Sanchez authorized unlawful interrogation techniques for use in Iraq, and in particular these techniques violate the Geneva Conventions and the Army’s own field manual governing interrogations. This puts a lie to Bush’s claim the tortures were the results of a few renegades. In a rape case, normally you interview both the accused and the victims. Americans seem to think the Iraqis have no right to be heard.

The b*zy* of Abu Ghraib, Janis Karpinski gives here excuses for the abominations in this essay. She has fingered General Geoffrey D. Miller .
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flashie: The torture was not just a few bad apples. It goes right to the top. Both Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International USA say there is prima facie evidence against Rumsfeld for war crimes and torture. And Amnesty International USA says there is also prima facie evidence against Bush for war crimes and torture
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flashie: The British have been almost as bad. 18 men were charged with sexually abusing and beating to death Iraqi civilians.

“These so-called ill-treatments and this torturing in concentration camps, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners that were liberated by the occupying armies, were not, as assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual leaders, subleaders, and men who laid violent hands on internees.”
~ Testimony of Rudolf Hoess, Commandant of Auschwitz, *******-15

Sound familiar?

For a while Bush denied this was happening.
“The Iraqi people are now free. And they do not have to worry about the secret police coming after them in the middle of the night, and they don’t have to worry about their husbands and brothers being taken off and shot, or their wives being taken to rape rooms. Those days are over.”
~ L. Paul Bremer III (born: *******-30 age: 67) Administrator, [Iraq] Coalition Provisional Authority, *******-02

The truth was, now, not only wives were taken, but children. Bush used the Saddam’s own instruments of torture in Saddam’s own dungeons, and Bush built many more.
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flashie: “Iraq is free of rape rooms and torture chambers.”
~ George W. Bush (born: *******-06 age: 63) , remarks to 2003 Republican National Committee Presidential Gala, *******-08, lying through his teeth. He had videos made of child anal rapes in his possession.

There is a natural reluctance to believe anyone could commit deeds as foul as these, but recall, in every war when the historians picked through the data, they invariably find what really happened was even worse than what was reported during the war. During a war, a country works very hard to excuse, deny and disguise its own wrongdoing least the public lose stomach for the war.

Why Torture?

The usual excuse given for torturing is that it is the only way to get crucial information out of terrorists, such as the location of a nuclear attack. This is nonsense. When people are tortured they will say anything they think might stop the torment. They will confess to any preposterous, depraved crime or conspiracy. They will pretend to knowledge they don’t have. Torture is ineffective for getting high quality information. Professional interrogators say you get much better results by developing rapport. If the Americans were serious about getting good information, they would use polygraphs (or better still PET scans which nobody knows how to defeat). So then why torture?

As part of Shock & Awe. American routinely torture all detainees, including children. The idea is to demoralise the Iraqis by convincing them that Americans are even more cruel and brutal that Saddam or the Nazis, and thus that resistance is futile. After surviving that experience the idea is an Iraqi would lick the boots or nether parts of an American rather than suffer than way again.

To get “confessions” to use for political purposes.

For entertainment and sexual pleasure. The sort of people who go into soldiering are natural bullies and sadists. Psychologists tell us that whenever you give absolute power of one group over another, sadism, abuse and torture develop within days. The Americans have overwhelming technological superiority over the Iraqis. This tendency to sadism in that situation is part of human nature. There is nothing unusual about Americans.
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davidk14: Dear Flashie,
It is very unfortunate and very sad you read from the extremist field manual. This handbook is also force fed daily to men, women, and children. Anyone that does not agree with the handbook can be tortured and killed and usually one or the other is the case, according to the field manual. This is not the case with the 1st amendment of the constitution which covers what you say on this site. So, you should say thank you to every American for the ability to express anything you want without the possibilty of torture or death.
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davidk14
davidk14: PS...Palistine was not a country and never has been.
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...Moses led the Israelites from where...

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flashie: @davidk,

i asked you 5 simple questions. which you successfully circumvented and misspelled your way around. you are quite entitled to your opinion im not debating that or trying to shut you up. i dont know what 'field manual' you are spouting about.

I CANT BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO CLAIM ANYONE WHO OPPOSES A ZIONIST STATE SHOULD BE MURDERED ASWELL AS THEIR FAMILIES.

AGAIN DAVID, DOES THIS APPLY TO THE RABBIS *AND FAMILIES OF* WHO HAVE DEMO'ED IN UK?
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davidk14: Flashie, Flashie, Flashie,
You have no facts to stand on. You create issues that are not true or factual. Israel is a country. You can not attack a country and expect them to roll over. They will protect themselves. Ask yourself a simple question...why is Eqypt blockcading the Palistinians? They don't like them and don't want them on their soil either. I don't hear you complaining. Many Arab entities have promised millions if not billions of dollars and they have not delivered...I don't hear you complaining. So get off your high horse and face facts. The only chance for peace is for both sides to sit down and talk. Only one side has done so....They gave the Gaza back and for that they get rocket attacks. Great stuff. Don't be nieve...Iran is using Hamas and the nuckelheads in Lebanon as puppets. Iran doesn't give a rats as about the Palistineans.
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davidk14: Flashie,
Find the orginal US Army videos when US troups entered the concentration camps. Also look at all the other historical videos of the torture and murder of men, women and children of all ages. Israel wants peace. It doen't want war. You must understand their committment to their security and survival and, if you will, their battle cry...never again. Hamas wants to kill every Jew, it's in their constitution. Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map. It just ain't gonna happen. You can whine all you want, throw tantrums and hissy fits. Unless all parties agree to the rights of the State of Israel, she will protect herself just like we are now here in the USA.
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flashie
flashie: you talk bare breeze. and still cant answer a few simple questions.

btw its knuckle you retard.

peace be with you.
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flashie: davidk answers simple questions like a politician and a retarded politician puppet at best.

"The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th." --Washington, D.C., July 12, 2007 President G W Bush
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flashie: @davidk

shame you couldn't protect yourselves from trillions of dollars hemorrhaging from the economy stolen by foreign banks eh? yes we can!
keep drinking the fluoride son.

THAT IS ALL
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flashie: i.q. of 14
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