It is true that they have everything on Hitler? (Page 2)

Victor1986
Victor1986: The truth is that I flip, Spain is poorly financially by the mismanagement of the Socialists, and by immigration, and I never bothered to go to any country, or even tourism, so do not bother to come to us, that We rely on our own we do not want aid from anyone, we are free.
A España, Spain big free Spain.
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jim-jim!
jim-jim!: Victor.... you sir, are an idiot.
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veronica
veronica: calling him an idiot would be giving him too much credit hes is below
that level of cognition .
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jim-jim!
jim-jim!: but he can flip.... wtf?
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Victor1986
Victor1986: First I will say that and I do not disrespect anyone, telling stupid, uneducated and not more that I do not there is the cultural level of each, or by going to defend certain ideals, and I'm an idiot ? is that they do not know the real story, thank God that I am out of this embarrassment of living, continue to believe in anything they have stories of those dead Russians hunger hopefully rot in misery, and the Americans and I'm going to forget as the toady of the Americans who are these British stinky.
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veronica
veronica: Wow that was coherant and made perfect sence
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jim-jim!
jim-jim!: he's mastered the art of weaving a perfectly c-r-a-p arguement into an actual bucket....

paper helmet was an defintly on head of end. Why that? so can't reed... of a stupid. yes
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Dragonmaster55
Dragonmaster55: Victor:

WTF was that????
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Outbackjack
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Don't forget that the world in which Hitler invisioned led to the deaths of over 45 million people! Don't forget that there were 17 documented cases of assassination attempts from within his own party during Hitler's rule (They just made a movie about the biggest attempt; Valkyrie; I suggest you watch it).

Also, do not forget that there were joint allied investigations headed by USSR and United States Intelligence Agencies (CIA for one); tasked with the mission of finding out every little detail of Hitler: His favourite food; favourite colour; favourite smell...what he liked to do in his spare time; what he enjoyed; his favourite music...hell it even included exactly how he went about getting dressed in the morning, and his rituals before peening before the mirror of his suite in the Reich Chancery for a day of parades and receptions....every little detail in order to know what would make him tick; and how to kill him. The work was compiled from interviews from family members as well as National Socialist members who knew Hitler better than anyone else. They did not believe his own biography as written in Mein Kampf; so they compiled their own to find out the true man....it became the basis for Hitler's biography...."The Hitler Book-The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin from the interrogations of Hitler's personal aides" Edited by Henrik Eberle and Matthias Uhl. It is published by Publicaffairs if you wish to read it. You may also wish to read "The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler" by Robert Payne; published by Praeger Publishers. This book was comprised of information gathered from the the secret Dossier prepared for Stalin; as well as letters and stories written from Hitler's friends and family; as well as books written by Hitler's doctors; one in particular "My Patient Hitler" by Dr. Eduard Bloch. It also comprises of information written by those who spent the last few years of the war in shelters with Hitler himself.

You see, the world knows more about Hitler than probably anyone else that ever lived...and all of the information is not taken from the victors; actually quite the contrary; most of it is taken from the people who knew him the best....all of whom say he was pure evil.
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john1576
john1576: The C.I.A. was not created until 1948. How could they 'compile a dossier on Hitler'. Washington did commission 4 Psychiatrists to analyse Hitler's speeches to try to understand what drove him. What Washington got for their trouble was 4 completely different interpretations of his psyche. The American O.S.S did get access to Hitlers Medicine which was imported from Switzerland. They mingled poison with the drug and were slowly killing Hitler a day at a time.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: My mistake john157, it may have been the O.S.S. The "secret dossier" was being written for Stalin, but the US did use the same espianoge tactics as well...I apologize for the error.
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Victor1986
Victor1986: ahahaha, how to manipulate the press, and partisan book, clear as the Americans you have always believed that you are the best, and you can not catch Bin Laden so if I laugh, that he goes through arrogant as always you have to the lapdog of the British, Spain fortunately not ever want to be with United States, every day we are more independent of Europe, comes a new continent is Spain, we give back to Europe.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: Victor, you have a very limitted and childish view of the world, currently, hisotirically and politically. I have met many people from the United States of America, and very few are as ignorant and arrogant as you seem to think. Have you met many of these people and actually had a conversation with them? their culture is very different from yours yes, and there are many customs of yours that they are not aquainted to, but they are certainly not so pig-headed as to think they are better than you.
They have found Bin Laden, he was last located in Pakistan, and the US Navy SEALS did perform a mission to capture him, but international tensions prevented the mission from being a success (and only one man returned alive because of this). Pakistan is out of NATO duristiction for this war, and so, he cannot be captured from within there. You know nothing about politics, so don't act like you are better than the "Americans" you speak of.

Manipulate the press? Again, your understanding of politics is juvenile. Politicians do not keep secrets or lie without a cause. What would benefit fabricating stories of who Hitler was? What point would there be to wasting time and effort, and thus money, covering up the truth when their is no reason to? If it would not benefit them, they would not waste the time and money on such a pathetic and pointless lie....not to mention if they were as corrupt as you seem to think, why then, would they not just pocket that money, and use the "truth" of the matter as a distraction from their thefts? Think about it.
The problem with your theory is that history is written by the victors; yet in this case, most of what we know of Hitler is written from the people who knew him best, with no sway from the "victors". The Secret Dossier of Adolf Hitler was prepared by Soviet special agents who interrogated Hitler's personal aides; the very people who knew him the best. Again, his biography was compiled of writings from his doctors, family and friends, as well as Generals, and fellow socialist party members. What you fail to pay attention to, is the most important information we have on Hitler, and that comes from Hitler's mouth himself. Listen to his speaches; listen to what he says...better yet, read Mein kampf. Mein Kampf is by far the most important book to understanding who Hitler was. Obviously, as it was written by himself, it paints a biast opinion of his logics, and how he rose to be the man he is; but it definately paints a picture of what kind of man he was, and what his idealogy and personality were; so here, I provide you with quotes from Adolf Hitler himself:
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FogofWar
FogofWar: -Taken from Mein Kampf, Chapter II: Years of Studying and Sufferning In Vienna:

(Section: Transforming into an Anti-Semite)

"I was outraged that in a state where every idiot not only claimed the right to criticize, but was given a seat in the Reichstag and let loose upon the nation as a 'lawgiver,' the man who bore the imperial crown had to take 'reprimands' from the greatest babbler's club of all time...
For a few hellers I bought the first anti-Semitic pamphlets of my life...Yet I could no longer very well doubt that the objects of my study were not Germans of special religion, but a people in themselves...Wherever I went, I began to see Jews, and the more I saw, the more sharply they became distinguished in my eyes from the rest of humanity. Particularily the Inner City and the districts north of the Danube Canal swarmed with a people which even outwardly had lost all resemblance to Germans.
And whatever doubts I may still have nourished were finally dispelled by the attitude of a portion of the Jews themselves.
Among them there was a great movement, quite extensive in Vienna, which came out sharply in confirmation of the national character of the Jews: this was the Zionists.
...For the so-called liberal Jews did not reject the Zionists as non-Jews, but only as Jews with an impractical, perhaps even dangerous, way of publicly avowing their Jewishness...
In a short time this apparent struggle between Zionistic and liberal Jews disgusted me; for it was false through and through, founded on lies and scarcely in keeping with the moral elevation and purity always claimed by this people.
The cleanliness of this people, moral and otherwise, I must say, is a point in itself. By their very exterior you could tell that these were no lovers of water, and, to your distress, you often knew it with your eyes closed. ater I often grew sick to my stomach from the smell of these caftan-wearers. Added to this, there was their unclean dress and their generally unheroic appearance.
All this could scarcely be called very attractive, but it became positively repulsive when, in addition to their physical uncleanliness, you discovered the moral stains of the 'chosen people'
In a short time I was made more thoughtful than ever by my slowly rising insight into the type of activity caarried on by the Jews in certain fields.
Was there any form of filth or profligacy, partricularily in cultural life, without at least one Jew involved in it?
If you cut even cautiously into such an abcess, you find, like a maggot in a rotting body, often dazzled by the sudden light - a kz*y!
(Sowic man nur vorsichtig in eine solche Geschwulst hineinschnitt, fand man, wie die Made im faulenden Leibe, oft ganz geblendet vom plötzlichen Lichte, ein Jüdlein.)

Hitler then goes on to write that the Jews spread propaganda in the press and arts, that promoted their 'weakness' among society, and "like a garbage seperator, splashing his filth in the face of humanity", they seemed chosen by Nature for this "shamefull calling", and wondered if this was why they were called the 'chosen people'.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: from Mein Kampf; Chapter IX: Basic Ideas Regarding The Meaning and Organization of the SA:

Hitler wrote on the democratic revolution in Germany at the end of the first world war:

"Every national body can be divided into three great classes: into an extreme of the best humanity on one hand (Which was to form the SA), goodf in the sense of possessing all virtues, especially distinguished by courage and self-sacrifice; on the other hand, and extreme of the worst human scum (Hitler put the Jews into this category), bad in the sense that all selfish urges and vices are present. Between the two extremes there lies a third class, the great, broad, middle stratum, which neither heroism nor the basest criminal mentality is embodied....

...Now the war (WWI), with its four and a half years of bloody events, disturbed the inner balance of these three classes, in so far as - though recognizing all the sacrifices and victims of the middle - we must nevertheless recognize that it drained the extreme of the best humanity almost entirely of its blood...By their loss the scale, too lightly weighted on the good side, shot upward, and the elements of baseness, treachery, cowardice, in short, the mass of the bad extreme, weighed more heavily than before.
For one more factor was added:
Not only that the extreme of the best had been most frightfully thinned on the battlefields in the course of the four and a half years, but the bad extreme had meanwhile preserved itself in the most miraculous way. For every hero who had volunteered and mounted the steps of Valhalla after a heroic death, you can be sure there was a slacker who had cautiously turned his back on death, in order to engage in more or less useful activity at home.
And so the end of the War gives us the following picture: The middle broad stratum of the nation has given its measure of blood sacrifices; the extreme of the best, with exemplary heroism, has sacrificed itself almost completely; the extreme of the bad, supported by the most senseless laws on the one hand and by the non-application of the Articles of War on the other hand, has unfortunately been preserved almost as completely.
This well-preserved scum of our people then made the revolution....
The real organizerof the revolution and its actual wirepuller, the international Jew, had correctly estimated the situation."

...he then goes on to describe his plans to rebuild Germany with the "greater class" being in control, and eliminating the "weaker class" (including Jews), through what he called the "Final Solution", or the extermination of the Jewish people. This is not propaganda, this is taken from Adolf Hitler himself, in his own words, from his own working.

You want to make claims of what the world would be like if Hitler was successful, then you should really study up on who Hitler was first. The information we have on him is not just that of the "victors", it is from the people who knew him personally; in their own words, while they were still alive to tell the story. I suggest you study history; and learn the world you live in, not the fantasy one you have created from far to many neo-nazi hollywood movies.
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john1576
john1576: Fogofwar. You seem to know a lot about Hitlers writings. Would you agree with the observation that both Hitler and Karl Marx were essentially conspiracy theorists? Just as people today see Freemasons and the Illuminati behind World events, Marx and Hitler saw Capitalists and Jews? After listening to one of Mr Hitlers rants against Jews all I would say to him is; 'you really should get more old chap'.
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Quas
Quas: I think most here don't give to thought at all to the fact that history is ALWAYS written (and manipulated) by the victor.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: It's true, Hitler did play on false stereotypes, much as are heard about Freemasons for sure, and recently Muslims, as well as immigrants here in Canada. I have heard all too often that immigrants are 'stealing' our jobs, despite the fact that current census reports indidcate they create far more jobs than they take.


Quas, while much of what we know is from the victors, you are again wrong on the fact that most of what we know about Hitler comes from his own writings, and they are unaltered....as is the video footage of him.
...if Hitler wasn't that terrible, then why did his own officers plot his assassination on 17 seperate accounts?
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john1576
john1576: We still do not have all the facts on Hitler. Like a guy said 'why on earth did he launch an attack on Russia when he was already fighting on the Western Front'. The answer seems to be he felt Germany was about to be invaded by Russia. That he never wanted a major conflict can be seen in his reaction to Churchill declaring war on Germany; he went Postal. He knew from that moment on Europe was finished as the centre of World Civilisation. It was doomed to become a backwater of world events, and he blamed Churchill for everything.
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veronica
veronica: I thought this was relevant to this thread.
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FogofWar
FogofWar: "We still do not have all the facts on Hitler. Like a guy said 'why on earth did he launch an attack on Russia when he was already fighting on the Western Front'. The answer seems to be he felt Germany was about to be invaded by Russia. That he never wanted a major conflict can be seen in his reaction to Churchill declaring war on Germany; he went Postal. He knew from that moment on Europe was finished as the centre of World Civilisation. It was doomed to become a backwater of world events, and he blamed Churchill for everything."

Hitler was as agaisnt Marxism as he was Judeaism. Marx was the 'father' of communism, Marxism is essentially communism. Hitler viewed communists as weak, and so he wanted to rid the world of them. Hitler's plan was to take over the world, run from a central European capital city, Germania, based on the existing city of Berlin. Hitler knew that the Soviet empire would be aligned with the Allies, and he did not want any part of a communist empire; so in an attempt to take over the world, he had no choice but to take out the Soviets. With the world not yet ready to fight a war, Hitler and Stalin signed a peace treaty; and thus Hitler had the advantage (Deception is the game of war). When Stalin, weary of peace, signed a treaty, he essentially let his guard down, albeit not entirely. With the threat of the Soviet's and the threat of France/Britain/US/Canada/Australia, etc. etc.; he had to do something. Germany was surrounded by enemies; the only way to succeed was to break out from this encirlcement (Hence he occupied parts of Norway as well and Italy). The Soviets had the numbers, but they barely had enough rifles for 1/3 their army (Where your enemy is strong [Western front] avoid him, where he is weak [Russian front], attack him), so to attack them first, before the rest of the world could retaliate, meant taking out the Soviet Union (Let your plans be as dark as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt). Although the Soviet empire may not have been as strong as the rest, it was vast in size, and if aligned with the rest of the world, would allow the commonwealth, as well as the US being in the Pacific, access to multiple fronts against Germany (Divide your enemy from his allies). Had Hitler succeeded in taking The motherland of Russia, the whole Soviet Empire would have crumbled, and the Nazi regeme would have been pressing on in their mission for global domination. Sure Hitler did not want to go to war with Britain and the rest of the world, but he did see it coming; it was only a matter of time; he was just hoping to divide his enemies before then....but that didn't happen since his Russian front was crumbling with their failure to capture the Soviet Empire;and that is why Hitler was so enraged. Had Hitler succeeded in taking Russia, he would have been one crucial step closer to taking over the world.
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