The New Republicans sabrinalilypup: Today's Republicans.... Republicans ARE practicing seditious DEMAGOGUERY and anti-democracy OBSTRUCTIONISM intended to destabilize our economy for purposes of political exploitation. Republicans AREN'T making a sincere effort to STOP the bleeding THEIR incompetent leadership and failed policies created. Instead, they're using inflammatory lies and accusations as a smokescreen to conceal their subversive agenda, which is to cause President Obama and America to fail so they can blame Democrats for the consequences of THEIR calamitous mismanagement. Republicans ARE preposterously professing that THEIR disgraceful political WHORING had nothing to do with the banking, real estate, stock market and employment catastrophes that resulted. Republicans ARE trying to hamstring Democrats to prevent them from repairing the damage caused during a Republican presidency that was irresponsibly enabled by Republican Senators and Representatives. Republicans ARE offering ridiculous arguments meant solely to disrupt and prevent progressive change. They'd rather divide America and create political gridlock than endure the political consequences of effective Democratic governance. Republicans AREN'T the LOYAL OPPOSITION; they ARE the ENEMY WITHIN whose mercenary priorities have eroded their moral and ethical standards to the point that duplicity and betrayal have become their preferred modus operandi. It's one thing to advocate their conservative beliefs; it's another thing entirely to willfully sabotage America's government because a successful Democratic presidency would not be vulnerable to the greed, fears and hatreds that have produced and sustained the radical Republican anti-government corporatism and anti-Christian faux theocracies that are poisoning and crippling American society.  john1576: Sabrin. I remember people discussing the best way of speeding up the peace process in the Middle East. Some folks suggested Sanctions against Israel and the Palestinians. Am against any sanctions as cutting off money to Governments is cruel and humiliating. Yet 'Sanctions' is exactly what the Tea Party want to inflict on the American People. And it is vulnerable Americans who will hurt most. franklin1950: those raskilly republicans and their new world order and their end justifies the means agenda.  davidk14: What sanctions are you referring to? You mean the trillions and trillions of dollars already spent that we do not have? Is that the money you are speaking about? According to AP yesterday, US Health & Human Services Dept. from the OBama administration, issued a statement, "...new health law will increase the debt instead of bringing down costs...direction of cost estimates is unsustainable". This is why so many Americans are upset because of the lying. Almost everything the admin has said about the new healthcare law, has not been truthful. Please write this down for future ref, I am not and have never been against anything that helps Americans, is Constitutional, fair and deficit neutral. Did anyone in congress or senate write the health bill? Nope. It was writen by left wing group, The Apollo Group and finished before he was elected into office. Right on the front of the 2700 page bill, it says it was prepared by this group. As Americans are learning of this, they are really pissed especially when they voted on a bill that most never read. House leader Pelosi said in a news conference, "..once this bill is passed, we'll find out whats in it". Americans are livid! I am not, and write this down, I am not a Rebublican. I am a conservative. There are good things from the dems and reps which are just common sense. But, to do anything, any program must be deficit neutral. This admin promised if elected that if any pork barrel spending was attached to any bill, the bill would be vetoed. Never happpened and as a matter of fact, to get the health bill pased, pork barrel spending was added to get votes. Yes, bribary. "I'll give you money, you give me your vote". Again, this adminsitration promised "change" & if elected that if any pork barrel spending was attached to any bill, the bill would be vetoed. This administration was voted into office with the promise "change" that lobbyists had no place in this administration yet dozens of these bastards are in office to pay for their votes to get him elected. From Obamas mouth to Americans ears. Goldman Saks is under inditement in 2010 because of improperly using funds which caused its economic issues affecting the economy in 2008. Nine of those high level executives went to work for the administration in 2009. The people that caused the issue are working in this administration. Does that make sense? Friday morning, the president is possibly being subpoena because of his "possible" involment in "selling" his Senate seat, breaking a federal law. Depending on whether the Federal Judge is dem or rep will most likely determine whether he is or not. This is just a few of the reasons polling numbers are so low. I could go on and on. Can someone not justify these accounts things, I'm sure if you did not want to follow the facts. I believe and the vast majority of Americans believe the United States is a great country as well as many if not most democratic people around the world especially the ones that receive huge amounts of humanitarian aid from us. But then, many think Cuba, Venezuela and Iran are the greatest countries in the world. Just depends on what you believe. Friday morning Dynamics Opinion Poll says only 9% of Americans think the govern is on the right track. Juan Williams, left wing liberal from National Public Radio is out of his mind absolutley bashing the admin. Now this is not what republicans are doing to undermine this administration. This administration is undermining itself , all by itself. davidk14: Sab, Hey, I dont hate any body! I'm following our presidents leadership that we all have transparency in our government and our lives, that we all treat eachother with respect and when we discuss our challenges we do so with respect and verifiable facts. Thats what he said so isnt that what you want as well? When bush left office, debt was $480 billion. That was after 8 years which included 911, 2 wars, building a peacetime military into a war machine, start up of a very expensive homeland security program and the tremendous expense of the New Orleans hurricane....when he left office...$480 billion in the hole. Note: The dems had control of the house and senate for the last two years of Bush's administration. Now this administration, with a continued majority in the house and senate, after a little over only one year has run the debt up fom $480 billion to $1.4 TRILLION. Note: Dems have had control of the congress and senate for 3.4 years now. So common sense dictates the democrats take responsibility for expanding the deficit by 66%. If my checkbook has a negative balance of lets say $500 dollars, I dont go out and print money for another $1000 which now puts me in the whole for $1500. Would you? According to the CBO (non-partisan Congressional Budget Office) and the IRS, per every American, each one of us now owes for all current liabiliies...$351,000 for each American. Thats how much we are in the whole and that does not include the new Health Care Reform Costs (taxes which start now but no services for 4 years). The US National Debt is $12,878,255,000,000 according to the US Treasury. The interest on this loan is $1.4 Billion or 9% of government income. Estimates show that the Debt in 8 years will be $20 Trillon and interest payments will be over 20%. I'm not going to go into more facts because these are huge numbers. Obama was not kind to Bush because of the "debt" he inheritted. You ae not kind to Bush because of the debt Obama inheritted. Does it make any sense not a word about how over the last 3.5 years that the dems have had control over the congress and the senate and not a negetive word about Obama from the democrats? I am a fisical conservative which means, I believe that you dont spend what ya dont got no matter who is in power. The dems passed a bill called "pay as you go". They havnt passed a bill since that hasnt added to the deficit. Dont over promise and under deliver, thats jsut common sense. john1576: David....... 'each American owes 350.000 Dollars in National Debt', David, the figure is actually around 120.000 Dollars, slightly less than what is owed by the average person in England, and a lot less than is owed by the average French, German, Italian etc. Americas per capita debt is less than most of the Industrial countries. Debt, both Public and Private is far higher in England than in America. Stop worrying. davidk14: John, I got my $350,000 figures from the US Federal Reserve. I also quote the US Congressional Budget Office, US Internal Revenue Office and the US Tresury. Where did you get yours from? And yes, I would certainly be very concerned over in Europe. Just take a look at Greece which is just the beginning of the dominoe effect. sabrinalilypup: David....you profess to be a Conservative Printing this FYI Have Conservatives Gone Mad? Apr 23 2010, 1:10 PM ET Serious thinkers on the right have finally gotten around to a full and open debate on the epistemic closure problem that's plaguing the conservative movement. The issue, to put it in terms that even I can understand, because I didn't study philosophy much in college: has the conservative base gone mad? This matters to journalists, because I really do want to take Republicans seriously. Mainstream conservative voices are embracing theories that are, to use Julian Sanchez's phrase, "untethered" to the real world. Can anyone deny that the most trenchant and effective criticism of President Obama today comes not from the right but from the left? Rachel Maddow's grilling of administration economic officials. Keith Olbermann's hectoring of Democratic leaders on the public option. Glenn Greenwald's criticisms of Elena Kagan. Ezra Klein and Jonathan Cohn's keepin'-them-honest perspectives on health care. The civil libertarian left on detainees and Gitmo. The Huffington Post on derivatives. I want to find Republicans to take seriously, but it is hard. Not because they don't exist -- serious Republicans -- but because, as Sanchez and others seem to recognize, they are marginalized, even self-marginalizing, and the base itself seems to have developed a notion that bromides are equivalent to policy-thinking, and that therapy is a substitute for thinking. It is absolutely a condition of the age of the triumph of conservative personality politics, where entertainers shouting slogans are taken seriously as political actors, and where the incentive structures exist to stomp on dissent and nuance, causing experimental voices to retrench and allowing a lot of people to pretend that the world around them is not changing. The obsession with ACORN, Climategate, death panels, the militarization of rhetoric, Saul Alinsky, Chicago-style politics, that TAXPAYERS will fund the bailout of banks -- these aren't meaningful or interesting or even relevant things to focus on. (The banks will fund their own bailouts.) Conor Friedersdorf thinks the problem lies with the conservative movement's major spokespeople -- its radio/net news nexus -- and the "overwhelming evidence that their very existence as popular entertainers hinges on an ability to persuade listeners that they are "'worth taking seriously as political and intellectual actors.'" That is why the constant failures of these men to live up to their billing is so offensive, destructive, and ruinous to conservatives. There are plenty of women, too, is all I'll say. I think this sensibility is pervasive throughout the smart media -- old and new. I think it's one reason why, say, Jake Tapper and other good reporters are very keen about direct fact-challenging -- why the media is reasserting itself as gatekeepers. (CNN might want to think about branding themselves here, even at the risk -- well, the reality -- of calling out Republicans more.) I think it's because there's so much misinformation out there -- most of it spread by the conservative echo-chamber. With the advent of Fox News and the power of that echo-chamber, complaints about liberal media bias are quite irrelevant -- the reaction to it being like lupus's reaction to the body, as Jon Stewart correctly noted. By: Marc Ambinder - Marc Ambinder is the politics editor of The Atlantic. He has covered Washington for ABC News and the Hotline, and he is chief political consultant to CBS News. john1576: The biggest factor shaping modern conservative thinking in America has been Talk Radio. For the most part, callers are uneducated, uninformed, emotionally retarded, often racists. The reason why Talk Radio Stations have shaped Conservatism so much in America is that they provide 'Fast Food' type cliches and slogans. just look at how 'Obama's Birth Certificate' 'Budget Deficit' 'Gun Control' have captivated the American Popular Political debates. The Cretinisation of the American electorate, begun by Tabloid Newspapers has in Talk Radio found a perfect tool. Americans are the laughing stock of the world in Politics, British people are not far behind. davidk14: Sab and John, Nothing I just read from either of your contains any facts. Not one. Again, all just left wing rhetoric from the left wing playbook. When will I see facts instead of rhetoric? I get sick and tired of hearing if you disagree with Obama or any of the people in his administration that racism or hate for Obama is the leading line of the rhetoric. Even Hilary Clinton agrees. Hillary Clinton, current Secretary of State, admitted modern progressive, said and I quote: "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration [referring to the Bush administration] somehow you're not patriotic. And we should stand up and say, "we are Americans and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration". Pew Research Institute, a non-partisan research company, recent polled and asked this question: Do you trust Washington to do what is right? 76% polled no. According to these folks, this is the worst the country has polled on this question in 50 years. Now this "fact" is researchable and verifiable. This data shows 3 out of 4 Americans are pissed off with the way this administration, this congress, and this senate are handling this country. This question polled Obama lower than Bush, Clinton, and even Carter. The CBO posted that the National Debt which is close to $13 TRILLION dollars will reach 90% of the US economy by 2020 wich is less than 9 years away. Unless ths massive increase of spending is reduced significantly, we are in for some real problems. This is factual information and not rhetoric. Americans understand this reality even if you dont want to. Next time you feel the urge to dismiss the vast majority of Americans ability to understand what is actually going on, you need to understand the American public is not a bunch of idiots or lemmings believing in left wing socialist rhetoric you obviously believe in. davidk14: We are at? How about considering when concluding thoughts and ideas, just like in school, you provide as many facts and figures as you can to support your point of view. Youtube has tons of supporting information of politicians and such making speaches or being interviewed on TV. The government posts tons of information on numberous official websites as well. John, Outback, Eggman and others just used to pound me until I started coming up with verifiable facts and figures. They still contest some of the materials or just move on and thats fine. Still a little name calling, but that has improved recently.If you look back into my many, many hours of writings, I post facts and figures to support my thoughts. Its healthy. Since I have been on doing this I have learned so much about what I thought was true as well as false. Just recently I challenged John on a topic and when I looked for supporting evidence to support my claim, I found the exact opposite supporting his claim. I believe Obama calls this process transparancy. Oh and by the way, your last post would be fine except the polling I provided from a non-partisan polling company doesnt support your comment. If you could find a non-partisan poll that supports your statement, I would love to see it. john1576: David, what facts? Every single 'fact' you type on this site is B.S. You say America is 'drowning in debt' American Debt is less per capita than France Germany Italy and Britain etc. You rave against 'Socialised Medicine'. No one has ever suggested 'Socialised medicine', all we have pointed out is that occto, Enthropy, Tink and about 300 Million other Americans are paying through the nose for medical care compared with Germans, French, Danish and just about every other advanced Nation. David, even Business men in America are saying increases in Medical cost are unsustainable. They are not talking about Socialist Medical costs THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE U.S. GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT THAT IS SPENT ON MEDICINE. davidk14: John, Great! Tell me where I can go to see the facts to support your claims. I based my conclusions of information provided by the US Treasury, US Congressional Budget Office, US Internal Revenue Office and the US Federal Reserve. These departments [execpt the Fed ond CBO]are in the Obama administration. Ya think they intentionally post these horrible numbers? If anything they would want these numbers to look much, much better. So, again, please, tell me where I can find facts to support your claims. As before, you did prove me wrong before. I have no problem admitting my mistakes. It makes me a better person. After all, I support President Obama's transparency in government directive. davidk14: Sab, I really do understand your comments. We are the products of our envirnment. But there comes a times that we must challenge our beliefs and causes. Some call it a reality check. MLK said the truth shall set you free. His "I have a dream..." speech is legindary and should never be forgotten, "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Character is based on truth, honesty, peaceful intentions, persistent in the light of termoil, being polite and rational. I recently watched a program here MLK's neice was on and she said the Tea Party rallies reminded her of her father and their rallies and where outsiders looking in didnt know what to think but in the end, truth prevailed. To have the qualities of true character and honest personal integrity, we must base them on facts and hold our beliefs to be held accountable through the prism of transparacy. davidk14: Sab, As John once told me, I couldnt care care less what you do in your life. He is are right, its none of my business. Couldnt care less. Obama was brought into power boasting that this administration will be more transparent than any other. Truth and honesty like never before. So, I'm following Obama's lead and challenging your facts, your sources, which of course support your political views. You just cant come on a blog and babble and think that you dont have to be challenged. Sec. of State Clinton said, "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration [referring to the Bush administration] somehow you're not patriotic. And we should stand up and say, "we are Americans and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration". Anyone can disagree, but without evidence where is the justice? john1576: David. Just go onto the Web and start looking at levels of national Debt, always be sure to remember 'per capata' otherwise it becomes pointless. The United States has slightly lower Debt levels than most other Major Industrial Nations. An important point to remember about the United States is it's 'Value' as a Nation. America is fabulously rich in Coal. Oil, Gold, Metals, Farms. What that means is that the U.S. Government can use those resources to provide security in a Crisis. Also check the growing amount of U.S. G.D.P. that is spent on Health Care. AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT 'WELFARE HEALTH CARE', WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE MONEY AMERICANS HAVE TO SPEND. You will not have to explain to Occto, Entropy, and Tink that their Health Insurance is going higher every year. But that growing Bill is dragging down the rest of the economy as Tink, Entropy and all other Americans have less money to spend and save. Many American Business men who would disagree with practically everything else I say would endorse the 'diagnosis' about Health Care needing reform. | Politics Chat Room 68 People Chatting Similar Conversations |