New AZ Illegal Immigration Law (Page 5) sabrinalilypup: davidk14....none of what you have to say matters to me....you are at all times still a moron to me. Period. sabrinalilypup: Outback is right....keep cutting and copying and paste....that is your style anyhow. YOU ARE A MORON....NEED I SAY MORE? If you ask me, I need not cut/copy and paste you, I'd delete you in a hurry. Idiot.  davidk14: moron 1910, from Gk. (Attic) moron, neut. of moros "foolish, dull" (probably cognate with Skt. murah "idiotic;" L. morus "foolish" is a loan-word from Gk.). Adopted by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded with a technical definition "adult with a mental age between 8 and 12;" used as an insult since 1922 and subsequently dropped from technical use. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive and descriminatory. Online Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper Now, regarding your insults. Through out this tread as well as other threads, you have used crude, hurtful, offensive, descriminatroy, and swear words communicating to others your attempt in trying to demean me in particular. Purhaps and this is only a suggestion, and I wouldn't want to tell you what to do, but perhaps you might consider not using these types of words since it really doesn't support the topic tread. Those words, to many, might suggest you are unable to support the topic with credible documentation trying to deflect your lack of understand of this serious topic, and again, it might only suggest that. But then again, I might be wrong. sabrinalilypup: F~@~ OFF YOU MORON davik14....JUST Fy~y OFF. Do not ever second my brain....make your own GAD DAMN issue. DON'T TRAIL ON MY ISSUE, A#zx$*y. davidk14: Pew Reasearch Center posted today that 73% of Americans (up from 70%) fully endorse SB1070 provisions requiring people to show police officers documents proving their legal status when asked. And 67% approve of police detaining anyone who can't prove their legal status. Pew Research Center conducted survey May 6-9 sabrinalilypup: davidk14...typical for you, you a^&~*w~ moron. I hate your guts, you son of a b&*&^. You are nothing but a pest. You are contributing nothing to anybody's brain but to your own asinine stupidity. I LOATHE THE HELL OUT OF YOU. Fyx* OFF OF ME. I WILL SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME, AND HOPE IT'LL GET TO YOUR BRAIN. davidk14: That hurts....ow... ...not. Again, Through out this thread as well as other threads, you have used crude, hurtful, offensive, descriminatory, and swear words communicating to others your attempt in trying to demean me in particular. Purhaps and this is only a suggestion, and I wouldn't want to tell you what to do, but perhaps you might consider not using these types of words since it really doesn't support the topic thread. Those words, to many, might suggest you are unable to support the topic with credible documentation trying to deflect your lack of understanding of this serious topic. sabrinalilypup: You a@y^~&z don't get it do you? Do I talk to others like I direct those derogatory inflamatory profanity to you? You are the only person in this whole Wire that I hated without reservation. You alone deserve my wrath you a%@$%@~...you still dont get it do you? How pathetic can you be? What a nerd. davidk14: Sabrina, You deleted three posts on this thread but I was able to retrieve the folloing from this thread: davidK14.....you are such an ASS, have you not notice that yet You are one miserable person and it's real obvious. You take me on, let me see how long you last. I just love to paint you as a MORON davidk14...for everyone to see. To call you a moron is gracious, you actually fit the term IDIOT OR AN IMBECILE. You just don't know who you are fx^~%$~ with davidk14. davidk14 in his moronic statement none of what you have to say matters to me....you are at all times still a moron to me YOU ARE A MORON....NEED I SAY MORE? F~z$ OFF YOU MORON davik14....JUST F%w% OFF. you a^$%^&^ moron. I hate your guts, you son of a b%@&^. I LOATHE THE HELL OUT OF YOU. F@$y OFF OF ME. typical for you, you a#^#~z^ moron. I hate your guts, you son of a b^~@y. You are nothing but a pest. You are contributing nothing to anybody's brain but to your own asinine stupidity. I LOATHE THE HELL OUT OF YOU. F%@~ OFF OF ME. I WILL SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME, AND HOPE IT'LL GET TO YOUR BRAIN. David Said: Ya know...the only thing someone might suggest is that you really hate the idea that you might be proven wrong. The two sentences above that proves this point is the where you said, "...You take me on, let me see how long you last." and "You just don't know who you are f&y~%*$ with". At the time I didnt understand exactly what you meant, but then as time went on, you actually dont like anyone opposing your point of view. You want everyone to agree with your point of view. Many of your posts were inacurate and offered without support. Everytime I offered proof to offer a different point of view, you attacked me personally without offering a counter point. That's just wrong. And as a grown up, when you are wrong, you should admit it. I realize your personal attacks will continue but I understand that now, and if that makes you feel good, well so be it. When you do post information that is slanted or not accurate, I'll post what I consider a proper rebuttal. If you dont like what I post, offer something constructive that represents your point of view. Name calling, being hateful is childish and doesnt support your point of view very well. Use truth as your anvil, nonviolence as your hammer and anything that does not stand the test when it is brought to the anvil of truth and hammered with nonviolence, reject it. Mohandas Gandhi I have no hostility or ill will towards you. I just think your posts are open for interpretation just like mine or anyone elses. There may always be two or more sides to an issue and people should be open to the possibility to have possibilties. Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress. sabrinalilypup: davidk14 YOU ARE A HOPELESS A%@y&*w. REAL HOPELESS. NOW I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF MENTAL DISORDER....A COMPLETE MORON WITH NO UNDERSTANDING WHAT SO EVER WITH WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND YOU. YOU SURE ARE PATHETIC. VERY PATHETIC. davidk14: davidk14 YOU ARE A HOPELESS Az*$xy&. REAL HOPELESS. NOW I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF MENTAL DISORDER....A COMPLETE MORON WITH NO UNDERSTANDING WHAT SO EVER WITH WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND YOU. YOU SURE ARE PATHETIC. VERY PATHETIC. Sab, Your little game is getting real old and honestly, very boring. There is nothing you can say, nothing that you can do, that will intimidate me. You may have gotten things your way by being rude and intimidating to others in your life or when you worked, just like a child having a tantum, but they just wont work here, well not on me anyway. Your personal attack smear campaign is rookie at best. I'd grade it a D+ and thats scorng it on a curve and your propaganda is getting real old and honestly, very boring. Please, in the future, keep your comments to the topic of the thread. This topic is very important. Thank you.  IamEggman: David, How do you feel aout the proposed boycotts of arizona? Do you think they will hurt the state. Economically, i mean. It's reputation has been damaged already. And how are business people there reacting to what's going on?  franklin1950: good on arizona . the courage to do something . a relatively short , 14 page document , unread . davidk14: To: IamEggman, Responding to your questions, the following is rather long but I just couldn’t help it. I’ve broken it up for easier reading. __________________________________ Fully 73% endorse SB1070 and its provisions requiring people to show police officers documents proving their legal status when asked. And 67% approve of police detaining anyone who can't prove their legal status. Pew Research Center poll __________________________________ I live a little over 100 miles from the Arizona / Mexico border. I’ll answer your questions and then put them in perspective. Q: How do you feel about the proposed boycotts of Arizona? A: Bring it on. Q: Do you think they will hurt the state? Economically, I mean. Its reputation has been damaged already. A: Arizona’s reputation is mostly being attacked by those who do not want to secure the border and institute a reasonable immigration reform package. These people which are in the minority mostly represent democrat progressive sanctuary cities and states which harbor illegal persons and are against SN 1070 which mirrors established federal immigration laws. There are other groups like La Raza and AZTLAN that do not support any bill or any reform what so ever. I’ll get into this subject later. Q: And how are business people there reacting to what's going on? A: So far, no problems. Most business people as are 73% of Arizona Citizens, not intimidated and are not going to be blackmailed especially by the minority and fringe group nut jobs. (1 of 8) davidk14: The following is my perspective as a citizen of Arizona for 33 years and now living 100 miles from the border. As an employer: 1979 – 1983: I was a kitchen manager for a privately owned restaurant company with 5 restaurants. I would hire people on as needed basis, mostly persons from Mexico. They were happy to have work and very proud of their goals to support their families in Mexico. They were honest and honorable. Most of them sent the bulk of their pay home and to save money, they would live 8 or so in an apartment. At the time, some thirty years ago “as it is still true today”, documentation of citizenship requires 2 pieces of documentation. A) Valid driver’s license and social security card or B) green card or C) passport. Here’s the loophole. As the hiring manager, I only had to “see” the documentation and only had to “believe” that the documentation was valid. The government did not “require” me to be trained to identify fraudulent documentation, nor did I need to make copies of the documentation, therefore no accountability, therefore no enforcement. (2 of 8) davidk14: Present day: [Note: I do not claim to be an expert in immigration law. Some of the following may be considered by some to be legal observations and may or may not be exactly 100.000 % correct. The following is from my recollections from previous employment history including and not limited to hiring hundreds of persons as well as my personal experiences from 35 years in the Culinary and Hospitality field. ] Some companies are “voluntarily” calling either “E-Verify” or the Social Security Administration for verification of citizenship. However, it is not law that they have to. The law requires that you cannot discriminate against anyone for any reason. The employer cannot ask for identification until the person is hired. The person first is hired and then the call or calls are made. If the information does not match, the employer tells the employee that the information does not match and they have 3 days to provide further information. The person can work for those three days. The employer can not hire a replacement until the three day period is over. Only then if the employee does not provide matching information can the employee be terminated and recruiting started again for the position. Some companies don’t do anything about any sort of verification…at all…nada…nothing. Totally legal. When you hear of immigration “raid” on an employer by ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) it is not random. ICE cannot just walk into a business when it wants. It usually is called in anonymously. They then check “everyone’s I – 9 immigration forms” including management and verify citizenship. If the documents are inconsistent, the person is detained and is usually charged with the crime “stolen identification” since the Soc Sec number usually belongs to someone else. However, the employer is rarely charged because of the current system based on “The government did not require management to be trained to identify fraudulent documentation, require verification of citizenship from e-verify or social security, or make copies of employee documents”. This is the loophole. Another loop hole. For ICE to enter a place of business to do a random check, they need to first set up an appointment with the management. Once the appointment is set, ICE arrives and reviews employees I-9 documentation. They pull at random, a number of employee files. They review these files. If any of the information is questionable, ICE notifies the management that there is inconsistencies and for the employee to provide additional information “in three days”. If there are many inconsistencies from the sample batch of employee files, then an entire audit may begin. That’s it. ICE returns in three days, and 99.99999% of the time, the person or people do not show up and then the employee is terminated from employment. That’s it. This is another loophole in the immigration we currently have. (3 of 8) davidk14: (Continuation from last page...) If you have read some of my posts, you know I married a first generation Mexican American. We have three daughters that are second generation Mexican Americans. One of my daughters is employed in Maricopa County (largest Arizona County include metro Phoenix) in the juvenile detention center. Her job is for lack of another word, a jailer and deals primarily with illegal underage offenders ranging from street violence to murderers. Another daughter’s husband is a PHX police officer who recently returned to duty after a year due to injuries he received in the line of duty apprehending an illegal person during a home invasion. I mention this only as reference material. _____________________________________ In my (ex) wife’s family, most came across the border illegally almost 40+ years ago to find work. Mexico back then (as is now) an economic mess, the government corrupt and hunger rampant. These folks like so many others came here for a better life, not to buy a house, but for basic needs like food, clothing and shelter. They worked as illegals underpaid and overworked in the construction industry. To better their lives they realized they needed to become Americans. They went back to Mexico “got in line” and applied for citizenship. It was a hard time for them, and their children and their children’s children benefited tremendously from their sacrifice for what they did to become Americans. They received their green cards and returned to the US as “LEGAL IMMIGRANTS” and later were sworn in as American Citizens. They brought with them a wonderful culture of honestly, integrity and dignity. They are truly proud Americans. As Mexican Americans including my daughters, like the majority of American citizens, they do not agree with people illegally entering the US. They do not agree with “amnesty”. They believe as I do that being an American citizen is not a right, it is a privilege. It must be earned and not handed out like soup at a shelter to anyone that just wants it. (4 of 8) davidk14: There is fear in the Hispanic community, some valid, some not. Most have not read the SB 1070 article nor understand why it is needed. Many of the Hispanic community have been in the US since the last amnesty in 1986, 25 years ago. Some, of these illegal people have worked hard to make a better life for their children as well as grandchildren born here in the US which makes them US Citizens. Many of the illegal people did the right thing and did go back to Mexico and “got in line” and returned with green cards and later gained their citizenship. The ones that did not are waiting for the next amnesty. Some of these legal children and grandchild are scared that their illegal parents, grandparents and relatives are going to be swept up in immigration raids or “traffic stops” and deported back to Mexico and that’s why they are against Arizona SB 1070 because it is now going to hold people accountable for breaking federal laws. Everyone agrees the federal government is at fault here for not securing the border in 1986 which was promised. For any new immigration reform to occur, the borders must be secured to enforce US Territory Sovereignty from illegal entry into the United States. Then a comprehensive immigration bill can be debated. (5 of 8) davidk14: Over the last year or two, many of the illegal persons entering Arizona belong to violent gangs and drug cartels and have no interest in being US citizens. They are only here to do criminal acts such as murder, rape, human smuggling, drug and weapons running, home invasions, kidnapping, car j%^@z%@ and the list goes on. Phoenix has the second most kidnappings in the world due to human smuggling from Mexico. Drug prosecutions are up 300% in the Tucson sector. Violent crimes in the last year or two are equal to NY with Arizona having 1/6th the population. The police are upgrading their weaponry due to the violence on the border as well as in the state due to the criminals having military grade weapons including explosives like hand grenades. Anyone who has been paying any sort of attention understands Arizona had to take action to protect its legal citizens as well as those illegal citizens who are horribly preyed on every day. The hospitals, school systems, law enforcement agencies are overextended, and other state government agencies are under budget cuts or in the process of being eliminated due to budget restraints. Some consider Arizona as the modern day “Alamo” whose hero’s are waiting to be relieved. Some consider Arizona as the modern day Thermopylae. (6 of 8) davidk14: There is another issue that complicates and highly enflames the Hispanic community…propaganda. There are organizations openly calling for anarchy and sedition. These organizations have been on the fringe for awhile and haven’t been taken seriously. But now, they are preceding full speed ahead. These extremist groups are taking a quote from Rohm Emanuel’s handbook… "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” The following are a few of these extremist groups: Aztlan Charles Truxillo, professor, University of New Mexico said recently: “Under the euphuism 'Hispanic Homeland' and 'Nation of Aztlan,' activists from numerous organizations including Mexican American Legal Defense and La Raza (The Race) activists are attempting to annex large portions of SW United States to Mexico. "Republica del Norte," the Republic of the North, which would include the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado, along with several current Mexican states is “an inevitability" says Charles Truxillo, professor, University of New Mexico. He further states the new "Hispanic Homeland" should be brought into being "by any means necessary." This comment, “by any means necessary” has everyone extremely concerned. Some might call it propaganda but it is definitely being filtering into the Hispanic population. You can see Aztlan flags being waved in videos at mass rallies. Some consider Arizona as the modern day “Alamo” whose hero’s are waiting to be relieved. Some consider Arizona as the modern day Thermopylae. Another group MEChA has posted the following: The revolution that MEChA plans for the American Southwest is to be a peaceful one — at least for the time being. By supporting continued high levels of Mexican immigration to the United States, MEChA hopes to achieve by sheer weight of numbers what the U.S. government long ago achieved by force of arms: the re-partition of the American Southwest. To this end, MEChA endorses a cocktail of pro-immigration policies. These include open borders, government benefits (including the right to vote and obtain drivers licenses) for non-citizens, amnesty for illegal aliens, dual citizenship, state recognition of Spanish as an official language, and racial set-asides in education and corporate hiring. As an editorial addressed to “capitalist whites” in the University of California Irvine’s La Voz Mestiza (The Mestiza Voice) concludes, “You’ve spilled enough of our blood, now it’s your turn to bleed you [expletive] sub-human beasts.” There are today more than 300 MEChA unions in existence, with more than 100 in California alone. While the group is concentrated in the Southwest and along the West Coast, it can also be found farther East: It’s has chapters at MIT, Yale, Cornell, George Washington University, and Brown, among other East Coast universities. On the West Coast, where MEChA is to be found in nearly every institution of higher education, the movement is spreading so quickly that it has set its sights on the public school system, establishing high school chapters and encouraging its young supporters to participate in its numerous (and sometimes violent) protests and marches which was seen recently on TV at a high school in the bay area eight days ago. (7 of 8) davidk14: I could go on and on and on… Summary: I believe the following: 1) Immediately secure the borders for legal entry only. This means finishing the fence which this administration has stopped building, complete the technology fence which this administration stopped installing, place the National Guard on the border immediately which this administration does not support, until the Border Patrol can confidently assume its duties. 2) Immediately start debating what comprehensive immigration should be. This administration does not want to deal with this issue until after the 2012 election so as not to upset the Hispanic voting apple cart. Arizona is forcing the federal government to act and not make this a political re-election issue since all SB 1070 does is mirror current federal laws. 3) I believe all non criminal aliens be provided work visas immediately. All criminal aliens immediately deported back to their country of origin. All criminal aliens be deported immediately once they have been release from jails (currently they are not being consistently deported but dumped back on American streets.) 4) Hold employers to a higher accountability by providing taper proof ID cards and strict compliance to I-9 immigration laws. I’m sure I could come up with a couple of more, but this will do for now. Finally again, the goal for SB 1070 is to force the federal government into action immediately. If not, the state will act to protect its citizens. Being an American citizen is not a right, it is a privilege. Here is the website to read and retrieve the Arizona Senate Bill 1070 http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf Fully 73% endorse SB1070 and its provisions requiring people to show police officers documents proving their legal status when asked. And 67% approve of police detaining anyone who can't prove their legal status. Again, sorry for the ultra long post. (8 of 8) |
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