Freedom as transcendent energy junyabee: We think of freedom in terms of our own personal, group social, and political prerogatives of entitlement. Underlying it all is the progenitor source for these surrogate forms , the unbridled ‘Big Bang’ energy. In some sense we seek that limitless power that engendered our origins in all its unbounded and undefined limitations. All forms of human expression from art to religion seek that surrogate experience of sensual communion with that nebulous omnipotence and inscrutable source of all omniscience. Yet we in our carnal-centric fetishes and obsessions burden ourselves in forms of material mass as the modalities and the vehicles for our liberational cathartic experience. The unindictable shame of these human aspirations is that we seek to impose a state of morbidity on others who obstruct our aspirations, or we impose a morbidity of indulgence on ourselves with material tools such as food, chemical substances, and other material forms that physically and emotionally breakdown our own natural resilience for these faux ‘comforts of dependency’. When we realize that it’s our mental processes, supported by the logistics of our anatomical components, that are the gateway to the source of our freedom-inspirational and motivational transcendence from our carnally (literally) grounded terrestrial existence towards the raw energy that forms and destroys stars; then we will exist in that state individually that becomes the template for our communion with our own nebulous, omnipotence, and omniscience. https://www.academia.edu/41549129/Freedom_as_transcendent_energy  (Post deleted by staff ) junyabee: Pr_Arjuna on Facebook: www.facebook.com/princess.arjuna.129/about?lst=100035785726592:100035785726592:1569160988 (Edited by junyabee) (Post deleted by staff ) junyabee: @edwardking Try this link #Poetics_n_Noetics Kinetic-Prosaic-Poetic-Noetic https://www.academia.edu/42747494/Kinetic-Prosaic-Poetic-Noetic where the other posts there would give you the info you seek
 DIAMONDfire: i think of freedom as a state of no law or binding, I would say you need money to be free or poverty perhaps? Is it state of mind? Yes but what isn't? junyabee: Beyond the ability to provide the basic, minimalist needs for a proactive survival, What is Freedom, then? DIAMONDfire: freedom is an absurd condition of life which verges on the suicidal when experienced in its pure form. it is a pseudo-value when used in the political sense because it is always partial as it implies freedom from something. Europe or a monarchy? That sense of it clouds its meaning because it undermines all the stuff that does bind us. but freedom in the pure sense is the 'silence of the law', (thats a dictionary reference), real freedom is near impossible to attain and that is why it appeals to politicians as a go to word. but freedom experienced in this world is an absurdity. perhaps collective experience of it would reduce that absurdity? (Post deleted by staff ) junyabee: @swamp99, I know your exposition is a sincere effort to articulate your perception. Yet, you, as many commentators frame the expression in temporal mundanities. I see the temporal as only a logistical venue misused for the many absurdities to which you allude. B/c the temporal reductive/objectivist is seen as the alpha-omega fictions must be fabricated in 'logical' constructs for these "absurdities" logic. But what of the supposed 'fictions' of dreams and asymmetric serendipities? Are they not events that have a visceral engagement, and are more the surreal than the fiction abstract constructions of logic? I say this b/c my own thinking has been influenced by literally 'telling' dreams and serendipities that opened up avenues that were and are tangent to my original intent, and liberated me to a transcendence that made temporal reductionist/objectivist freedom a vain sound and fury of logistical indulgence. DIAMONDfire: i have analysed dreams and serendipities i accept a lot of what we do is succinct in this. is there a way in though, diving into the unconscious to me feels like holding my breathe underwater. wherein there is no freedom? if there is a way in that is not unconscious i would like to hear it, otherwise conscious exposition of these themes is the only way to understanding. let us say that life is reduced to mathematical terms then it is my hypothesis that constructive philosophy will yield forward motion. which is how i understand philosophy. i am not a theosopher. perhaps unlike you i have spent the bulk of my life trying to get out of the unconscious? western philosophy at least is demonstrated by light, thats what makes it so fair. (Post deleted by staff ) junyabee: @swamp99, Mathematics is a metaphor of systems of logic. Serendipities and dreams are the asymmetric tangent to your reductionist-objectivist venue of existence. They (serendipity-dreams), as the tangent points they are, just touch and glance off the temporal reality we perceive as the ends of our dimensions, when they COULD BE just the resource extraction source for the fuel to see, acknowledge, understand the signals of serendipities/synchronicities, plus dreams of our NEEDED unconscious moments. p.s. @edwardking, as much as 'swamp99' holds unacceptable, contra-aesthetic thoughts to yours, his point tho' provocatively arguable are a sociological and psychological phenomena of human thought and emotion, existing concurrently with other pluralistic thinking as ours DIAMONDfire: resource extraction source : three nowns used in conjunction. in english at least there is a problem with understanding what is meant. see, acknowledge and understand the signals : surely this is done through logic? western philosophy is defined as, the love of wisdom or knowledge : how is this non-aesthetic? (Post deleted by staff ) junyabee: @edwardking It's that very aesthetic experience that has affected your reading affinity to them that is the point than my particular intent of my perceived bias.. As I've posted elsewhere, 'It's the JOURNEY, NOT the DESTINATION.." (Post deleted by staff ) DIAMONDfire: do you or do you not have to believe that the absquatulation of mortal life is the goal? junyabee: @EDWARDKING If my interpretation and inference of your "transcendental immanent potentiality..." is coherent, You could be expressing my speculation that in a minimalist, feral, uncluttered, cognitive field the sentient being receives signals, that would be otherwise drowned out by the temporal noise of daily consciousness. BUT... if one has those moments of vegged-inactivity so that you are aware of the more subtle and asymmetric events that initiate your primal 'Muse-ings' on those phenomena to the point that new options of unanticipated fortuity become possible and feasible for your emotional and physical pursuits, then you've reached a point of liberation and a new responsibility for the 'freedom' presented to you. The predicate for this dynamic is our basic sensory systems that were designed to note tangible and intangible qualities in its environment. In the more minimalist focus to imperative needs and actions, these qualities are enhanced. (Edited by junyabee) (Post deleted by staff ) junyabee: @edwardking, tho' not as informed as you seem to have me on those topics you mentioned, I can say this much: Many think of the "violent omniverse" as a chaotic frontier, inherently hostile until we impose upon it our extractive capacities for our own (narrow) benefit. As for my views on the acts of 'liberation", it is more unit than even specie-specific. Each of us has our own design-algorithmic purpose and limitation, to which we could blame 'our stars' for our feral nature. Yes, the phenomena of 'serendipity' and 'synchronicity' are the "spontaneous perceptiveness mediates ephemeral cosmic disentanglements", tho' I never directly knew about any of Dane Bestok's works.  haroldg206: freedom gives me the ability to learn and discover something new, with this whole quarantine thing going on and having to stay home, i've used this time to read, expand the mind to learning, for example, researching the immune system in ways to fight a virus, discovering remedies one can take to boost the immune system, freedom gives me the energy to keep pushing forward and learn something more that i didn't know yesterday junyabee: The non-mundane, temporally distracted mind has its own agenda of sensory reception and processing which gives the receptive, cohabitant 'operational mechanic' the chance to be aware and even learn of dimension of themselves,let alone the surrounding cognitive field of phenomena with which they are apart | Philosophy Chat Room 16 People Chatting Similar Conversations |