Aliens Respond to Us (Page 2)

LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: "The likelihood of the Arecibo message ever being picked up is very, very low. It was aimed at globular star cluster M13, which is 25,000 light years away. In fact, it's so far away that in 25,000 years when it finally reaches its destination, its destination will have, in fact, moved! The message was only intended as a demonstration of the transmission technology, not as a serious attempt to make contact.

The message does also pass close enough to a few nearby stars to have been potentially "received" in their vicinity. But why wouldn't the recipients simply send back a message via radio, instead of coming here and messing up some poor farmer's crops at night and then sneaking away? "

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Arecibo_answer

Can either of you explain why the response was not done via radio signal, since they would need radio equipment to receive it? Especially since they include a drawing of the radio equipment they possess?
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lori100
lori100: Radio signals are probably too primitive and unimaginative for the aliens....I'm sure they monitor a great deal going on at NASA and other places so they knew about the message for awhile...I think the crops would get the public's attention and not be hidden from them as signals would likely be ..
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Ah yes, i forgot.

The Aliens are hipsters....this explains everything....
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XFixYourBrainX
XFixYourBrainX: LiptonCambell, I dislike your sarcastic attempts to dismay people from attempting to explain what they are thinking. Leave the sarcasm in your thoughts. Just don't post on this forum again. I don't like you, I despise you. I think you have no idea how to use your imagination. Albert Einstein was a firm believer in imagination over knowledge. There is a quote you can find him saying this. Now just get the hell out of my forum. I don't care what you think of me, just shut your mouth. This is a topic that I would like to happily discuss with people rather the topic is serious, or not so serious. If the topic is about believing in the boogeyman or whatever it may be, this is a place to just talk about thoughts. Not about abusing people with sarcasm.

I don't want you to say a single word, if you do you are only showing your ego. Thank you have a nice day.
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XFixYourBrainX
XFixYourBrainX: LiptonCambell, I almost forgot, by definition you are a troll.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>I think you have no idea how to use your imagination.

This isn't about imagination, it's about objective assessment. No reasonable person would suggest that, if aliens could receive our radio signals aimed deep into space, they would travel billions of miles, and sketch a drawing next to a completely unrelated satellite dish. They would respond the same way we sent the message, and the same way they received the message.

But the problem is you can't hoax a thing like that. You can't 'fake' a response from further than any human space ship has ever gone. But it takes a couple of boards of wood, a couple of hours, and some bored college students to hoax a crop circle.

Hell, ever consider the owners of the satellite dish were in on it? They certainly got alot of press over it- 15 years later and we're still talking about it- what proof, beyond the promises of the satellite dish owners, that it sprung up 'overnight'?

>>>Just don't post on this forum again.

*shrug* it's a public thread pokerman. If you want to have a discussion with you and your buddies, circle jerk and pat yourselves on the back for your 'insight' that aliens are messing with us, you can do it in private messages. Or there are websites that believe and support your way of thinking.

Though, suspiciously, most are trying to sell you overpriced DVD's and books. Almost like they're pandering to you. But they do exist.

I don't have to leave. You don't have to stay. The beauty of the public eh?
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XFixYourBrainX
XFixYourBrainX: LiptonCam,

Your words are contrived.

You said, "No reasonable person would suggest that, if aliens could receive our radio signals aimed deep into space, they would travel billions of miles, and sketch a drawing next to a completely unrelated satellite dish. They would respond the same way we sent the message, and the same way they received the message."

Do you have a degree in Sociology? This is absurd! There may be more reasonable people who would agree that this could be likely. And very few unreasonable people like you would disagree. But that doesn't mean your unreasonable in general, just with this topic. But the people at The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) would have something to say otherwise.

If its as easy as you say it is, "But it takes a couple of boards of wood, a couple of hours, and some bored college students to hoax a crop circle."

There hasn't been any proof showing people made what happened so in this particular case. You shouldn't be making this wild claim. Yes it does sound reasonable, but it doesn't mean that's the conclusion without significant proof saying otherwise. Your boards of wood and a few hours claim doesn't sound plausible enough to get the job done. I have heard that reasonable line before, but that line gets destroyed every time with other forms of evidence such as, "radiation" showing up.
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XFixYourBrainX
XFixYourBrainX: I found this, and I think 80 witnesses are more REASONABLE than your illogical sounding talk!

More than 80 witnesses have witnessed crop circles being created within a few seconds by one or more balls of light (orbs). In 1989, a Japanese TV crew filmed a crop circle forming in the early hours of the morning. The film footage shows a swirling motion of energy forming a crop circle, which lasted less than 15 seconds. http://cropcirclefacts.com/
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XFixYourBrainX
XFixYourBrainX: 80 reasonable witnesses vs Lipton with no reasonableness in character.

The 80 reasonable witnesses win.
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XFixYourBrainX
XFixYourBrainX: Lipton,

Questions?

Are you a farmer?
How much do you know about crops?
Do you know anything specifically about corn?
Do you know anything about the other crops that have had crop circles made within them?
Do you know how tall, thick, their sturdiness is within each of these crops that have crop circles within them?
Do you know how a crop circle is formally made, rather it be by humans or by other worldly beings?
Do you know what it would take to break a certain type of crop? Corn is popular, I'm not sure what other crops have crop circles within them. Where the breakage would occur on the crop?
How many pounds of pressure would take to break a crop such as corn depending on what part its broken top, middle, base?
Please answer these questions based off of your own knowledge without searching on the internet. Based off reasoning you should be able to answer these questions without anyone persons help or help from searching on the internet, but instead you shall rely on your own intellectual knowledge.

Now these are reasonable questions.
But you not asking them is unreasonable. And plainly stupid.
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XFixYourBrainX
XFixYourBrainX: Lipton,

One more question.

Also do you know the age of the crops?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>Do you have a degree in Sociology?

What? I'm challenging the logic of aliens coming to Earth to respond to our message, rather than just replying with a radio signal. It's like, rather than you messaging me on the same forum I messaged you on, you hopped a plane, flew up to Canada, and left a reply to my message on the steps of Winnipeg, Manitoba City Hall(not that I live there....but the "response" was laid in an entirely unrelated dish as well)

What does the study of human society have ANYTHING to do with my criticisms? I'm not arguing there aren't people who believe this nonsense- i'm arguing the belief is nonsense.

>>>But the people at The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) would have something to say otherwise.

Has SETI commented on this "reply" from alien life?

I looked, and I couldn't find any offical reply- however, the FOUNDER of SETI, Professor Frank Drake, has replied to it;



"I think this is a joke- theres no chance whatsoever this is a legitmate message. This is some kind of joke, or fun thing or maybe a challenge somebody made to one another"

So yea....I think SETI is on my side of the fence here...
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>There hasn't been any proof showing people made what happened so in this particular case.

Theres been no proof that aliens did it either. Or proof aliens exist, for that matter.

Honestly, given the fact that we KNOW humans exist, and humans are perfectly capable of making things like this, but we don't know if aliens exist, I think that gives alot of weight to the idea that the thing that has been proved to exist, proved to make crop circles, and proved that from time to time they do this sort of thing- gives it at least greater weight.

>>>Yes it does sound reasonable, but it doesn't mean that's the conclusion without significant proof saying otherwise.

What significant proof are you presenting that aliens did it??!!

For christs sake man the name of this thread is "aliens did this"- and you've presented no proof that they have, all the while insisting that I need people to come forward to admit they did it to prove your crass assumptions wrong.

Why are you setting the standard for proof to high when it comes to countering your beliefs, but not holding the same standard of proof when it comes to forming them??!

>>>More than 80 witnesses have witnessed crop circles being created within a few seconds by one or more balls of light (orbs)

First off, we're not talking about all crop circles in the universe. We're talking about this PARTICULAR crop circle, at the Chilbolton Radio Observatory in Hampshire England. Of which, there was exactly ZERO witnesses.

Not that it's hard to lie about such things.

That been said, there have been easily tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of crop circles since the 1970s(go figure- aliens didn't bother to do this for the previous 2000 years)- and you think 80 people witnessing some of them is enough proof for all of them? That's like 1 person for every 10,000 crop circles. If I were to walk around insisting I have witnesses for 0.01% of all unknown phenomenon, and insisting that proves what happened to the other 99.99% of them, you'd think I was batshit insane.

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lori100
lori100: wiki---In 1932, archaeologist E C Curwen, observed four dark rings in a field at Stoughton Down near Chichester, but could examine only one: "a circle in which the barley was 'lodged' or beaten down, while the interior area was very slightly mounded up."
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>Are you a farmer?
>>>How much do you know about crops?
>>>Do you know anything specifically about corn?

No, basically nothing, basically nothing.

But that doesn't negate the fact that, if aliens can receive a radio signal, they wouldn't fly trillions of miles to drop off a letter on the wrong side of the world- they would send a signal back.

I don't need to be a farmer to poke a hole in failures of logic.

Are YOU a farmer? Do YOU know anything about growing corn?

>>>Do you know anything about the other crops that have had crop circles made within them?

Enough to know they're all hoaxes.

>>>Do you know how tall, thick, their sturdiness is within each of these crops that have crop circles within them?

Nope. In fact, that's so generalized it's ludicrous. The size of corn would vary depending on the kind of corn and where it was being grown. Not even a corn farmer could know the answer to that question.

>>>Do you know how a crop circle is formally made, rather it be by humans or by other worldly beings?

Yes.



>>>Also do you know the age of the crops?

'Age of the crops'? Were you high when you wrote that? It's the same problem as earlier- you'd rather stick to sensationalism than objective truths. Not all crops in crop circles are the same age. Asking someone a question like that is so varied and subjective it's a waste of time. One crop could be 45 days, another 60, another 75 days, another 110.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: >>>Based off reasoning you should be able to answer these questions without anyone persons help or help from searching on the internet, but instead you shall rely on your own intellectual knowledge.

Bullshit. This is coming from the man who, moments earlier, copied and pasted a claim from 'cropcirclefacts.com' - you're now insisting that if I do not have the intricate methods of growing crops, their tensile strength, the length of time it takes to grow them, as well as their thickness and height, ALL off the top of my head, with no research allowed?

You must have been high when you wrote all that.

I don't NEED to memorize how many pounds of pressure a stalk can take before cracking to hold an opinion on the subject.
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XFixYourBrainX
XFixYourBrainX: LiptonCambell, stop being contrived and unreasonable, your just talking bullshit, and its piling up faster than you know it.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: lmao how am i being at all unreasonable? You insisted SETI was on your side,then I present a video of him saying there is no way it was made by an alien, because any creature able to travel that distance would be intelligent, and to do what you are suggesting is dumb.
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