Sharing, aka Socialism junyabee: SOCIALISM, aka SHARING Socialism, To cut to the Core of the matter for me, socialism is the political... http://fb.me/7pJnVeUHk  SWlNE: I see symbiosis as actually 'mutually taking', not 'mutually sharing'. Both are not doing it for the greater good of the other, but instead they're taking what is beneficial for themselves off of each other and it just happens that there is a good outcome for both parties. The intention isn't to benefit the other. It's strictly survival and not goodwill. I can't see socialism as being a symbiotic relationship. Can you share with me how you see it as being a symbiotic relationship? and who are the parties involved in this 'mutually beneficial taking'? (Edited by SWlNE) SWlNE: Maybe Capitalism is an unbalanced parasitic/symbiotic relationship instead of socialism? Where corporations benefit from the labour of the working class while the working class benefit from the income and products provided from the corporations. That's a 'mutually taking' relationship but it is unbalanced. junyabee: Captive controlled markets-defective products, goods, food. Paying rigged prices.. Even the open-market of the exchanges is a rigged game between the BIG sharks and the little fishes. Greed is at the bottom of the slippery slope of materialism. Concentrated greed is the repressor and oppressor of those w/o leverage junyabee: Socialism (aka Sharing) in a symbiotic relation.. Governments don't determine the rules but adjudicate or arbitrate on the rules. More the worker owned or worker equity ownership of the means of production and the profits from that ownership. Sharing becomes the equitable distribution of needs and relative 'rights', 'entitlements' for the circumstances
 LiptonCambell: Sharing is voluntary. Socialism is compulsory. I don't think you can legitmately compare a personal choice to a government program that forces you to do something you wouldn't normally do- and if you would normally do it, then the program would be inefficient, since it would function without a government input. junyabee: When the 'government' is the local collective acting on consensus, as the decentralization must ultimately become, then it is a feasible propostion SWlNE: The 'government' acting on a consensus. How often do you see a consensus on policies and matters that affect the country as a whole, Junyabee? Step out of 'feasibility' and into 'reality'. junyabee: The natural government of community self-determination... Step-out of ideology and into necessity.. SWlNE: Junyabee, I like to view politics in a realistic setting. Not sugar-coated. I understand the issues with socialism both the good and the bad but let us see how mankind operate now and in the past. There has to be a leader, and a final person (or group) to make the final decision because having a consensus on all matters never happens. (Edited by SWlNE) junyabee: To that extent, then CHINA is the canary in the mine shaft with nearly 4bn MF's about.. Communism was a convenient utility, politically. Even they are finding that more local control, monitored by a central authority is the way to keep a burgeoning population under TIGHT control.. Liberty within a mission goal is what's the world is headed, and starting at the grass root cells (Edited by junyabee) SWlNE: I don't know why the political system has plateaued, that it is either capitalism or communism. There doesn't seem an encouragement to find a system. junyabee: @Filth of God-Population and its demographics.. If you consider the spectrum of perspectives that exist in the USA with 350m w/de facto oligarchic/plutocratic rule and then consider the the blatant authoritarian, more decentralized rule in China w/ 1.3bn, it is easy to see how either by the ruse of lip-service in the USA or the outright iron grip in China to govern is more to control the outlier people and conditions then it is meant to represent the conditions of the people junyabee: Much like that existed with the aboriginal tribes-sharing the fruits of their skills with those who throw a feast for our good fortunes | Philosophy Chat Room 18 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
