Seth by Jane Roberts---Excerpts on Life, Death, Health, Reincarnation... (Page 5) ghostgeek: I cannot argue with your reasoning Lori, though I don't share your views. Maybe we'll all find out who's right someday.  lori100: On perception “You seem to perceive exclusively through your physical senses, and yet you have only to extend your egotistical idea of reality, and you will find even your egotistical self accepting quite readily the existence of nonphysical information. “As it does, so its own ideas of its own nature will automatically change and expand, for you will have removed limitations to its growth. Now, any act of perception changes the perceiver, and so the soul, considered as a perceiver, must also change. There are no real divisions between the perceiver and the thing seemingly perceived. In many ways the thing perceived is an extension of the perceiver. This may seem strange, but all acts are mental, or if you prefer, psychic acts. This is an extremely simple explanation; but the thought creates the reality. Then the creator of the thought perceives the object, and he does not understand the connection between him and this seemingly separate thing.” Seth Speaks Session 527 ----------------------------------------------Consciousness is, among other things, a spontaneous exercise in creativity. You are learning now, in a three-dimensional context, the ways in which your emotional and psychic existence can create varieties of physical form. You manipulate within the psychic environment, and these manipulations are then automatically impressed upon the physical mold. Seth, Seth Speaks, Session 515 (Edited by lori100) lori100: In some adventures you do visit other probable realities in which you have a body structure quite as real as ‘your own.’ Your own psychological makeup, for that matter, achieves its marvelous complexity because it draws from the rich bank of your greater probable existences. Even a small understanding of these ideas can help you glimpse how limiting previous concepts of psychology have been. The self that you know and recognize carries within it hints and traces of all your probable characteristics that can be actualized within your system of reality. Your body is equipped to bring any of these to fulfillment. Now, because of the selectivity mentioned earlier, certain directions may be easier than others, and some may appear impossible. Yet within the psychological and biological structure of your species, the roads of probabailities have more intersections than you know." Seth, The "Unknown" Reality Volume I. Session 685 (Edited by lori100) lori100: seth---------"...There have indeed been civilizations upon your planet that understood as well as you, and without your kind of technology, the workings of the planets, the positioning of stars- people who even foresaw "later" global changes. They used a mental physics. There were men before you who journeyed to the moon, and who brought back data quite as "scientific" and pertinent. There were those who understood the "origin" of your solar system far better than you. Some of these civilizations did not need spaceships. Instead, highly trained men combining the abilities of dream-art scientists and mental physicists cooperated in journeys not only through time but through space. There are ancient maps drawn from a 200-mile-or-more vantage point- these meticulously completed on return from such journeys." "There were sketches of atoms and molecules, also drawn after trained men and women learned the art of identifying with such phenomena. There are significances hidden in the archives of many archaeological stores that are not recognized by you because you have not made the proper connections- and in some cases you have not advanced sufficiently to understand the information." ghostgeek: So we're pushing back into the stone age, back into the ice age? Back to where we haven't a clue what was going on? lori100: there are teachings about ancient highly evolved people living on Lemuria, and Atlantis , and other societies, very psychic with higher tech than we have....could be one of those... lori100: seth--------------Your rooms are full now of thought forms that you do not perceive; and again, you are as much a ghostly phenomenon now as you will be after death. You are simply not aware of the fact. You ignore certain temperature variations and stirrings of air as imagination, that are instead indicative of such thought forms. You thrust into the background telepathic communications that often accompany such forms, and you turn aside from all clues that other realities exist quite validly with your own, and that in the midst of one existence you are surrounded by intangible but valid evidence. lori100: seth----------The combination of thought, emotion, and desire creates form, possesses energy and is made of energy. It will show itself in as many ways as possible. You only recognize the physical materializations, but as mentioned earlier, you send pseudoforms of yourself out from yourself of which you are not aware , and this is completely aside from astral travel or projection, which is a much more complicated affair. You appear in astral form in realities that are comparatively more advanced than your own. You are usually recognized because of your disorientation. You do not know how to manipulate. You do not know the customs. But whether you have a physical form or not , if you have emotions or feelings, these will take form. They have a reality. If you think strongly of an object, somewhere it will appear. --------------If you think strongly of being in another location a pseudoimage of yourself will be projected out from you to that place whether or not it is perceived and whether or not you yourself is conscious of it or conscious in it. This applies both to those who have left your physical system and to those who are in it. ---------------Some dead friends and relative do visit you , projecting from their own level of reality into yours , but you cannot as a rule perceive their forms. They are not more ghostly or 'dead' however, than you are when you project into their reality-----as you do in the sleep state. lori100: seth--------Thoughts and beliefs do indeed bring about physical alterations. They can even – and often do – change genetic messages. There are diseases that people believe are inherited, carried from one generation to another by a faulty genetic communication. Obviously, many people with, for example, a genetic heritage of arthritis, do not come down with the disease themselves, while others indeed are so afflicted. The difference is one of belief. The people who have accepted the suggestion uncritically that they will inherit such a malady do then seem to inherit it: they experience the symptoms. Actually the belief itself may have turned a healthy genetic message into an unhealthy one. (Edited by lori100) ghostgeek: Understanding of genetics is quite recent yet arthritis has afflicted humanity since prehistory. No reason to think that people believed they would inherit the malady until medical science was able to tell them they might. lori100: yes...the power of suggestion...it's why Seth advised people to say to themselves often "I will react to positive suggestions only"......my sister adopted my dad's outlook---- believing he was doomed to illnesses that his dad had, and he had them... my sister has many illnesses while I am healthy.... (Edited by lori100) lori100: seth-----------“If you realize that you create your physical reality through your own thoughts and desires , then you have learned the most important aspects of reality. This is what you have been setting out to do in your other lives, in your past existences. The realization of these truths nullifies any so-called debts from other lives. When you realize this, and act upon it, there is no reason for you to come back here again unless you want to. Any of your difficulties in past lives were caused because you did not realize these basic truths.” -----------------------------“You must understand the nature of reality before you can manipulate within it intelligently and well. In this environment and in physical reality, you are learning -- you are supposed to be learning -- that your thoughts have reality, and that you create the reality that you know. When you leave this dimension, then you concentrate upon the knowledge that you have gained. If you still do not realize that you create the reality that you know, then you return and again you learn to manipulate and again and again you see the results of your own inner reality as you meet it objectified. You teach yourself the lesson until you have learned it. And when you have learned it, then you have begun to learn how to handle the consciousness that is yours intelligently and well.” ---------------------------“You are in physical existence to learn and understand that your energy, translated into feelings, thoughts and emotions, causes all experience. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS.” (Edited by lori100) ghostgeek: So there's no reality, nothing out there, just our thoughts and desires? No God, no heaven, no life after death, just ... nothing. Well, that must mean there's no Seth either. lori100: no , Seth has said God exists, there is life after death, heaven seems to be what people create from their expectations...there is reality---energy--our thoughts and desires , other Beings...we unknowingly create with our energy.. ghostgeek: How do you know that Jane Roberts' "energy" didn't inadvertently create this Seth she was always writing about? ghostgeek: The problem with Seth is the same as with God. The existence of these characters is always dependant on the say so of some individual. lori100: Roberts did at times think Seth was her subconsciousness...Seth told her no he wasn't--he was a separate individual who knew her and her husband in previous incarnations.....but the info is still good... lori100: "Consciousness is, among other things, a spontaneous exercise in creativity. You are learning now, in a three-dimensional context, the ways in which your emotional and psychic existence can create varieties of physical form. You manipulate within the psychic environment, and these manipulations are then automatically impressed upon the physical mold." Seth, Seth Speaks, Session 515 -----------------"Your experience in the world of physical matter flows outward from the center of your inner psyche. Then you perceive this experience. Exterior events, circumstances and conditions are meant as a kind of 'living" feedback. Altering the state of the psyche automatically alters the physical circumstances. There is no other valid way of changing physical events. It might help if you imagine an inner living dimension within yourself, in which you create, in miniature psychic form, all the exterior conditions that you know. Simply put, you do exactly this." ------------------------------Consider your present self as an actor in a play; hardly a new analogy, but a suitable one. The scene is set in the twentieth century. You create the props, the settings, the themes; in fact, you write, produce, and act in the entire production - you and every other individual who takes part. You are so focused in your roles, however; so intrigued by the reality that you have created, so entranced by the problems, challenges, hopes, and sorrows of your particular roles that you have forgotten they are of your own creation. This intensely moving drama, with all its joys and tragedies, can be compared with your present life, your present environment, both individually and in masse. But there are other plays that are going on simultaneously, in which you also have a part to play. These have their own scenery, their own props. They take place in different periods of time. One may be called "Life in the twentieth century A.D." One may be called "Life in the eighteenth century," or "in 500 B.C.," or "in A.D. 3000." You create these plays and act in them. These settings also represent your own environment, the environment that surrounds your entire personality. I am speaking of the portion of you who is taking part in this particular period piece, however; and that particular portion of your entire personality is so focused within this drama that you are not aware of the others in which you also play a role. You do not understand you own multidimensional reality; therefore it seems strange or unbelievable when I tell you that you live many existences at one time. It is difficult for you to imagine being in two places at once, much less in two or more times, or centuries. lori100: seth-------"No chance encounter of physical elements alone, under any circumstances, could produce consciousness -or the conditions that would then make consciousness possible." ---------"It is somewhat humorous that such a vital consciousness could even suppose itself to be the end product of inert elements that were themselves lifeless, but somehow managed to combine in such a way that your species attained fantasy, logic, vast organizational power, technologies, and civilizations." ----------------"My dear friends: existence is larger than life or death. Life or death are both states of existence. An identity exists whether it is in the state of life or in the state of death. Your cats' consciousness never was dependent upon its physical form. Instead, the consciousness was itself choosing the experience of cathood." ------------------------"It is not understood that before life an individual decides to live. A self is not simply the accidental personification of the body's biological mechanism. Each person born desires to be born. He dies when that desire no longer operates. No epidemic or illness or natural disaster - or stray bullet from a murderer's gun - will kill a person who does not want to die." ------------------------"You choose this place and time for your own reasons and your own challenges... And so this planet is not peopled with strangers, but those who are already psychically united." | Philosophy Chat Room 19 People Chatting Similar Conversations |