Seth by Jane Roberts---Excerpts on Life, Death, Health, Reincarnation... (Page 4)

lori100: The distinction between past, present and future is an illusion, but a very persistent one.”
― Albert Einstein

lori100: seth-------“… you must be taught and trained to create responsibly. Yours is a training system for emerging consciousness.”

“You are learning to be co-creators. You are learning to be gods as you now understand the term. You are learning responsibility- the
responsibility of any individualized consciousness. You are learning to handle the energy that is yourself, for creative purposes.”
--------------------“(After death) you will find yourself in another form, an image that will appear physical to you to a large degree, as long as you do not try to
manipulate within the physical system with it.”--------------------You will reincarnate whether or not you believe that you will. It is much easier if your theories fit reality; but if they do not, you will not change the
nature of reincarnation one iota.” (From the book: THE SETH MATERIAL)

“When I tell you that you lived, for example, in 1836, I say this because it makes sense to you now. You live all of your reincarnations at once, but
you find this difficult to understand.” (From the book: THE SETH MATERIAL)
--------------------------------As I have said before, time as you think of it does not exist.”

“The settings in your physical environment…the physical aspects of life as you know it, are all camouflages.

The brain is a camouflage pattern. It takes up space. It exists in time. The mind takes up no space, it does not have its basic existence in time.
The reality of the inner universe does not take up space, nor does it have its basic existence in time. Your camouflage universe, on the other
hand, takes up space and has an existence in time, but it is not the real and basic universe, any more than the brain is the mind.

Your idea of space is some completely erroneous conception of an emptiness to be filled... True inner space is to the contrary vital energy, itself
alive, possessing abilities or transformation, forming all existences, even the camouflage reality with which you are familiar, and which you
attempt to probe so ineffectively.

This basic universe of which I speak expands constantly in terms of intensity and quality and value, in a way that has nothing to do with your idea
of space. The basic universe beneath all camouflage does not have existence in space at all, as you envision it... Space is a camouflage... ”

lori100: this supports Seth saying time as we know it does not exist------------------------


Newsflash: Time May Not Exist | DiscoverMagazine.com
discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time

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Not to mention the question of which way it goes ...

By Tim Folger|Tuesday, June 12, 2007------------------

No one keeps track of time better than Ferenc Krausz. In his lab at the Max Planck Institute of Quantum Optics in Garching, Germany, he has clocked the shortest time intervals ever observed. Krausz uses ultraviolet laser pulses to track the absurdly brief quantum leaps of electrons within atoms. The events he probes last for about 100 attoseconds, or 100 quintillionths of a second. For a little perspective, 100 attoseconds is to one second as a second is to 300 million years.

But even Krausz works far from the frontier of time. There is a temporal realm called the Planck scale, where even attoseconds drag by like eons. It marks the edge of known physics, a region where distances and intervals are so short that the very concepts of time and space start to break down. Planck time—the smallest unit of time that has any physical meaning—is 10-43 second, less than a trillionth of a trillionth of an attosecond. Beyond that? Tempus incognito. At least for now.

Efforts to understand time below the Planck scale have led to an exceedingly strange juncture in physics. The problem, in brief, is that time may not exist at the most fundamental level of physical reality. If so, then what is time? And why is it so obviously and tyrannically omnipresent in our own experience? “The meaning of time has become terribly problematic in contemporary physics,” says Simon Saunders, a philosopher of physics at the University of Oxford. “The situation is so uncomfortable that by far the best thing to do is declare oneself an agnostic.”

The trouble with time started a century ago, when Einstein’s special and general theories of relativity demolished the idea of time as a universal constant. One consequence is that the past, present, and future are not absolutes. Einstein’s theories also opened a rift in physics because the rules of general relativity (which describe gravity and the large-scale structure of the cosmos) seem incompatible with those of quantum physics (which govern the realm of the tiny). Some four decades ago, the renowned physicist John Wheeler, then at Princeton, and the late Bryce DeWitt, then at the University of North Carolina, developed an extraordinary equation that provides a possible framework for unifying relativity and quantum mechanics. But the Wheeler-­DeWitt equation has always been controversial, in part because it adds yet another, even more baffling twist to our understanding of time.


“One finds that time just disappears from the Wheeler-DeWitt equation,” says Carlo Rovelli, a physicist at the University of the Mediterranean in Marseille, France. “It is an issue that many theorists have puzzled about. It may be that the best way to think about quantum reality is to give up the notion of time—that the fundamental description of the universe must be timeless.”


No one has yet succeeded in using the Wheeler-DeWitt equation to integrate quantum theory with general relativity. Nevertheless, a sizable minority of physicists, Rovelli included, believe that any successful merger of the two great masterpieces of 20th-century physics will inevitably describe a universe in which, ultimately, there is no time.


The possibility that time may not exist is known among physicists as the “problem of time.” It may be the biggest, but it is far from the only temporal conundrum. Vying for second place is this strange fact: The laws of physics don’t explain why time always points to the future. All the laws—whether Newton’s, Einstein’s, or the quirky quantum rules—would work equally well if time ran backward. As far as we can tell, though, time is a one-way process; it never reverses, even though no laws restrict it.

lori100: "Often you are aware that you are dreaming, and you are sometimes aware while in physical existence that you are dreaming. You can change an unpleasant dream by realizing that you are creating it, and that the problems are of your own making. You leave physical reality when you come to the same realization."

The Early Sessions, Book 9----------------------------
------------"Needless to say, I wanted you to know that there is much more than even this, complexities that are truly astounding, intelligences that operate in what I suppose you would call a gestalt fashion, building blocks of vitalities of truly unbelievable maturity, awareness, and comprehension. These are the near ultimate as I understand such things."

The Unknown Reality, Volume 1
Session 681, Page 31-----------------------------------"In the first form it is possible to perceive the past, present and future on a limited basis. In the second form this perception is on a larger scale, the scope of consciousness being further opened. Now this is the form that you will use if you meet appointments with others within the dream state. The third form we may call the true projection form. In it, it is possible to travel beyond your solar system, and to perceive the past, present and future of other systems as well as your own."

The Early Sessions, Book 6
Session 261, Page 179-180--------------------------------------"Evil, so termed, is a lack of knowledge, a lack of fulfillment, a lack of growth, measured against that which has felt inward enough to understand more of its nature."

The Early Sessions, Book 8
Session 397, Page 202-------------------------------------
"The coincidences that seem to happen, the chance encounters, the unexpected events - all of these come into your experience because in one way or another you have attracted them, even though their occurrences might seem to have insurmountable odds against them. Those odds - those impediments - do not exist in Framework 2."

The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events
Session 825, Page 123----------------------------------"Beyond that, however, genetic messages are coded in such a way that there is a constant give-and-take between those messages and the present experience of any given individual. That is, no genetic event is inevitable."

Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfillment, Volume 1
Session 907, Page 271-----------------------------------------"...the personality may be led back to the events prior to the decision. Then the personality is allowed to change the decision. An amnesia effect is induced, so that the suicide itself is forgotten. Only later is the individual informed of the act, when he is better able to face it and understand it."

Seth Speaks
Session 546, Page 160----------------------------------"Ruburt may study astrology, but he will not feel easy with it. He does not need it. As a matter of interest it is perfectly alright, but because of his particular nature he will have a tendency to let the charts impede rather than help his clairvoyant information. It is too closed a system. Now astrology has its merits, and many good ones. An excellent astrologist can help people to better understand themselves. Understand the individuals themselves between lives choose the time of their own birth, adopting ahead of time those characteristics that they feel will best aid their development, and challenge their abilities. "

The Early Sessions, Book 9
Session 471, Page 274--------------------------
"Identity is no longer limited to the outer ego alone. The outer ego is now familiar with the whole self, or the entire identity, and has available to it strength of which it was not previously aware. In periods of exuberance, when you are working well, and your health is extraordinarily good, when you are able to remember and manipulate your dreams, then such periods are signs of the emergence of this new consciousness."

The Early Sessions, Book 7
Session 283, Page 18-------------------------"All of your attention is focused in a highly specialized way upon one shining, bright point that you call reality. There are other realities all about you, but you ignore their existence, and you blot out all stimuli that come from them."

Seth Speaks
Session 515, Page 28

lori100: "and the dreams of unborn children and their mothers often merge. The dreams of those about to die often involve dream structures that already prepare them for future existence. In fact towards death a great dream acceleration is involved as new probabilities are considered -- a dream acceleration that provides psychic impetus for new birth."

The Nature of the Psyche
Session 786, Page 139

ghostgeek: The distinction between past, present and future is not an illusion. What its nature is might be in doubt but not that it exists. To illustrate, try this simple experiment. Spend all the money you have available then go into a shop and see if you can spend it all over again. I predict you won't be able to because the money you once had is now in the past, where it will always remain.

lori100: Idk......I think Einstein and others knew what they were talking about....

lori100: seth-----------"Einstein came closest perhaps in this regard, for he was able to quite naturally identify himself with various functions of the universe. He was able to listen to the inner voice of matter. He was intuitively and emotionally led to his discoveries. He leaned against time, and felt it give and wobble."

ghostgeek: Lori, I've seen it said by scientists that time doesn't exist, that as you say, it is some sort of illusion. That would be OK if scientists didn't take account of time in their experiments and equations, but they do. This makes it profoundly obvious to me that time, whatever it may be, is not an illusion. You see, it is something that cannot be ignored.

lori100: I think our concept of time is manmade and events are slowed down on our physical dimension. So we live in this dimension with a flawed concept of time , then we have to accept our version of time that society uses while we are here.

ghostgeek: Where is the flaw in our concept of time? Events flow in one direction only, from what we term "the future", into the past. Every clock ever built functions because of this fact. Why else would so many people seek "eternal life" after death unless all human experience says that everything passes with time. Does anyone try to relegate the three dimensions of space to non-existence? Not as far as I'm aware, so why treat time differently?

lori100: We don't really understand our existence. People who know more have stated all time is simultaneous and people who travel out of body have experienced it. One day we will all experience it and understand it.

ghostgeek: I would go one step further Lori and say we don't understand our existence at all. It is something we cannot explain. It is thus beyond us to say whether there is an answer that we will one day comprehend.

lori100: We are learning and will continue to learn and understand more. I do believe more aware beings are helping us and we will help others in the future.

ghostgeek: What if existence is a question without an answer?

lori100: I doubt it....

ghostgeek: Yes, I doubt it too, and yet... Let me ask you a question Lori. Where exactly is the universe? Is it located in something, something that logically must itself must be located somewhere. Even if you bring God into the picture, one must still explain where God is exactly. I mean, try imagining something, anything, existing in absolutely nothing. To me, that seems impossible, yet this is what we are told we must accept. All the higher dimensions that people postulate, where do they exist? Can you truthfully say, because I cannot?

lori100: Who said we must accept exist in nothing? I think God is the eternal prescence in everyone , in everything, everywhere...the life spark. God does seem to communicate mentally with people who have near death and/or out of body experiences....you should read some books on those experience....very interesting. It seems , from what I have read , and my own obe , that the dimensions are around us, invisible.........People who are dead or out of body temporarily try to contact those on the physical dimension, but are able to do so only with great effort and energy---see my near death thread-------...as Seth says--------"All of your attention is focused in a highly specialized way upon one shining, bright point that you call reality. There are other realities all about you, but you ignore their existence, and you blot out all stimuli that come from them."------------------and we will learn to manipulate in those dimensions eventually , it seems the Earth is a beginning school as various beings have stated....

ghostgeek: Is existence unbounded? Does it go on for ever and ever and ever, without limit? If it does or if it doesn't, either way it transgresses the bounds of our intellect. Where, for example, does this thing that is endless exist? In like manner, if existence is bounded, if it has limits, where does it reside? Is there existence beyond existence or is there nothing at all? If something exists beyond existence, where does it abide? Then again, if nothing exists beyond existence how is it possible for something to exist in nothing?

lori100: ....you got me...I tend to think it does go on forever and ever...

ghostgeek: OK Lori. I sometimes think about these things but I can never see an answer.

lori100: wiki------In the animist framework of Australian Aboriginal mythology, Dreamtime is a place beyond time and space in which the past, present, and future exist wholly as one. Tribespeople could enter this alternate universe through dreams or various states of altered consciousness, as well as death, Dreamtime being considered the final destination before reincarnation.

lori100: seth------------"The teachers within your system are those in their last reincarnation, and other personalities who have left the system but have been assigned to help those still within it. The system also includes some fragment personalities what are entering for the first time, as well as those in later reincarnations."------------------"Your soul was not born yesterday, but before the annals of time as you think of time. In your terms, you are its most latest addition. You are apart of the whole soul, but not yet aware of the greater portions of yourself. The characteristics that were yours at birth were yours for a reason. The inner self chose them. The inner self can even now alter many of them. You did not arrive at birth without a history. Your individuality was always latent within your soul.--------------------"Now, reality has no beginning and no end. Hopefully— hopefully— hopefully, in your terms of time, you may get a glimpse of what I mean. There is indeed an expanding universe, and it is formed in the eternal present. In my book I will go as far as I can into those precepts, yet some [of you] will not follow. You create your own reality. That works, and is true, whether or not you follow, or care to follow, into these other realms. -----------------------------"The problem of war will sooner or later teach you that when you kill another man, basically you will end up killing yourself. The over-population problem will teach you that if you do not have a loving concern for the environment in which you dwell, it will no longer sustain you--you will not be worthy of it. You will not be destroying the planet, you see. You will not be destroying the birds or the flowers, or the grain or the animals. You will not be worthy of them, and they will be destroying you. You have set up the problem for yourselves within the framework of your reference. You will not understand your part within the framework of nature until you actually see yourselves in danger of tearing it apart. You will not destroy consciousness. You will not annihilate the consciousness of even one leaf, but in your context, if the problem were not solved, these would fade from your experience.

"The crisis is a kind of therapy...And you need it now, before your race embarks upon journeys to other physical realities. You must learn your lessons now in your own back yard before you travel to other worlds. So you have brought this upon yourself for that purpose and you will learn. "

ghostgeek: What makes you believe any of this Lori?

lori100: Many years of reading about near death experiences, religion, philosophy, remote viewing, miracles,out of body experiences, psychic experiences, esoteric teachings, and my own experiences, experiences of relatives, others......teachings from Seth and others rang true to me when others did not....maybe it's not true, but I think it probably is...