Belief/ideology -one will sacrifice one's life for.

Lumpenproletariat
Lumpenproletariat: What belief (or ideology) you hold that you will die for?

(I'm curious. This can go from a religious ideology to a national flag.)
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: NONE...I am a mortal organic human being..who will die,at some moment in time...

would i risk Life & Limb for my only child whose now grown.. when he was a child.. there is no doubts about it.. sure would have..

Would i.. or have i risked what folks have thought of me, for saying i am of this that the other,or have felt this that or the other, YUP..unhuh...sure have....
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Lumpenproletariat
Lumpenproletariat: Ah, I see.

What do you mean by the last part though? -That you'd risk life & limb for how people view you?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Freedom.

Granted, there are slaves out there right now, so I guess I'm a hypocrite, but I put the belief in freedom ahead of all things.....
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Paulo The Cat
Paulo The Cat: ....maybe freedom too
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harlett anathema
harlett anathema: NO @Lumpen, i said i would risk what anyone thought of me,by simply speaking my piece......which means i'd off that they never ever spoke another word too me, or a kind word...
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Changsii
Changsii: I think there is need of more peace loving people in the society and it comes only when there is understanding, forgiveness and love among the people. If these three important elements are realized and valued by us then may be there will be no injustice, slavery, hatred, corruption, etc. I don't know whether I have given an appropriate answer or not..

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Winter0fDiscontent
Winter0fDiscontent: Hmm Equality of genders and zero tolerance to misoginy in the very first place. Then, vegetarianism, my football team and my love for Mads Mikkelsen
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Haha I just realized the Original Poster has a communist term in their name....this won't end well....

>>> If these three important elements are realized and valued by us then may be there will be no injustice, slavery, hatred, corruption, etc.

I disagree. Co-dependance is the way to world peace- not indiscriminate love.



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Lumpenproletariat
Lumpenproletariat:
What type of freedom though?

@harlett, ah ok I see your point now.

Lipton, Lumpenproletariat is a term by Marx, yes, but how can a term be communist? ...as menacingly 'communist' as 'proletariat' or 'bourgeoisie' or passively 'capitalistic' of a term as 'free market' or 'exploitation' [haa-ha just kidding about that last word]. I don't get why you seem a bit intimidated by it since it is just a way of labelling an existing group. I don't care about your political view [not trying to come off as aggressive, just indifferent about it, truthfully] and it's best to try not to assume what mine is.

Yes, I understand Changsii, I do agree with you that those 3 are important if adhered to. With understanding as empathy, a lot of the things you listed would be done away with but I think we'll always have those who'd not hold these qualities.

haaha Lore, what about misandry?
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Winter0fDiscontent
Winter0fDiscontent: It's time people realise that Das Capital is not a manual of instructions to quickly become a communist but rather a description of the phenomenom of capitalism and the division of classes acknowledging the recent existance of machinery. By no means should a description make anyone feel threatened, the same way that Marx should not be held responsible for Stalin, Castro, Chavez's drastic and suspicious policies, among others.

As for misandry, I don't know what you mean. Personally I dislike generalization so there is no way I would even consider acquiring such line of thought. I am the product of an irreversible -so far- patriarchal society, very much like many other latin societies, I live among predators and ill treaters, where the figures of domestic abuse followed by murder (many of them by burning the women alive) and rape have increased notoriously over the las decade, ranking as one of the most violent country towards women. There is no place or even conscience of misandry here, because most women accept their submittive rol with no questioning.
That said, the fact that a great majority of men behave like troglodytes doesn't mean all of them do. A smaller percentage, and this has todo with education, are entirely different.
I think that individual behaviours tend to represent a collective concept and groupal patterns. Hatred would never lead to a proper observation and study of such circumstances.
I condonne misandry as well, but as it is, I never came across an exponent of it.
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Lumpenproletariat
Lumpenproletariat: It happens, not as open, extreme and as large scaled as misogyny but it happens more in words.
I grew up in a patriarchal family, didn't have violence but even accepting that submissive role is different from allowing domestic violence. I still think that the man should be the head of the home while the wife gives her input. Those who resort to physical abuse, rape and murder are on an extreme level
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Winter0fDiscontent
Winter0fDiscontent: The man should be the head of the home???? I think I tripped and fell onto the past, at the beggining of the dark ages! Is this you talking Jack? For sure?
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lori100
lori100: It is sexy when a man is in charge....in a great way.....
(Edited by lori100)
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Winter0fDiscontent
Winter0fDiscontent: o.O
I think that both men and women are adults as not to be in charge of each other.
Parents should be in charge of their children and pets. That's as far as it goes.
I suppose choosing to be commanded by someone else is a voluntary act for some, so I wouldn't disrespect a personal choice, as long as it is understood that in cannot be extensive to all women in the community.
I am a fully capable woman with will and common sense and as such I wouldn't accept anyone trying to rule my life or tell me what to do, let alone a man. I wouldn't tell a man what to do either. A couple should not have any sort of hierarchies, submission or oppression of any kind. Like I said, I vow for equality of genders.
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lori100
lori100: A man doesn't need to be in charge always, just at the right times....
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Lumpenproletariat
Lumpenproletariat: Why not? There has to be someone making the crucial decisions in times when there's no consensus. I don't know about other males/relationships, some I guess wouldn't be suitable for a headship role and the woman will be able to handle it better for the family. There's always these cases when the man doesn't have the proper qualities that he should and be best taking the submissive role.
Not saying that the wife should be docile, it's important that she gives an input on matters but there will always be a dominant party and one who has to take more of the load. Ideally it should be the male (with exceptions for those who can't complete that task).
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Winter0fDiscontent
Winter0fDiscontent: lol I grant you that. Agreed, unless you have on of those desperate attacks and jump upon the guy while he ignores you watching football
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Winter0fDiscontent
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Winter0fDiscontent
Winter0fDiscontent: A woman is perfectly capable of making crucial decisions, Jack. Calling a man the dominant party is not such a happy term and concept. I also believe that a couple can agree how they are going to face their life together, but if you believe that this must be extensive to all women in a straight relationship I certainly not have much else to say or add to this since I certainly dont agree
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Lumpenproletariat
Lumpenproletariat: The dominant party can be male or female (homosexual relationships included) and there's one dominant (mildly/strongly) in all relationships, in some cases you'll see it is the wife and others more traditional cases the husband. The dominant person has to bear more than the other and they both support each other. It is more loving that that person be the man. Take care of the household (yes, with the wife's input) but he should take the initiative and make sure things are in order. That's what that role comes with, if he can't fulfil that then he's not suitable for the leadership role.
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Winter0fDiscontent
Winter0fDiscontent: I only object to the choice of the word leadership here. As for the rest, I think you are talking of emotional support, affection and a combination of tempers. Also a knightly sort of behaviour that no woman would resist
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Lumpenproletariat
Lumpenproletariat: haa I wonder what is the overall view... it is a very touchy subject.
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Winter0fDiscontent
Winter0fDiscontent: Well the overallview is that you should be cleaning for us wire women.
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Lumpenproletariat
Lumpenproletariat: Just shows that you've not seen my cleaning skills. It'd frustrate you enough to tell me to stop and intervene.
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Winter0fDiscontent
Winter0fDiscontent: LOl you won't get away with it so easily. Im even worse at household tasks. It's your fate, Im afraid. YOU have to do the cleaning
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