Swearing LiptonCambell: I got two different questions; First off- whats the big f@#w~%' deal with swearing? Why do people care if you swear? I never got that- and I found the emotional response you can get, on cue, from making a few phonic sounds, to be ridiculous. Who gives a shit? Also- children. Why is it bad to have children swearing? I mean, I get it- kids should be respectful- but you can be disrespectful without swearing.  StuckInTheSixties: I have mixed feelings, but for the most part, find that being offended by swearing is just plain silly. For instance, on American network television, no way could you say "f%xy." But you could say "slippery sz%&^&z sliding back and forth in a juicy vagina." Which sounds more salacious? That said, swearing can often be an indication of intellectual shortcomings. You can see it all the time here in Wireclub when, for lack of the ability to argue a point of view, the person will resort to swearing. Same with comedians. I'm a bit old-school, so I'll use a couple of old-school examples: George Carlin was a brilliant, super-smart comedian, who, of course, had a famous routine on the seven dirty words not allowed on television: "f@~y, shit, piss, c^y@, c%wx&*%zw*, m^&*~%@%@#*w and tit." He swore all the time, and his swearing didn't diminish his intelligent monologues in the slightest. Compare him to Andrew Dice Clay, who said "f^yz" every other word, and whose "comedy" was banal, boring, stupid, and unfunny. A big part of why I found him so unfunny was his usage of curse words, which was a perfect demonstration of unintelligent swearing.  lois_lane: ^^I dont know about all that^^ I do like Andrew Dice Clay BUT to compare his Routine with Carlins is just madness. NOW comparing him to Richard Pryer, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, Russell Peters. YES Andrew Dice Clays "swearing" is just not even up to their level of funny, and taking away the swearing with his routine would take away from the whole act. Unlike the other guys I mentioned, their still funny with or with out the swearing, their stories are funny as hell and the swearing just adds to the jokes. Oh and I agree with the "swearing is no big deal" but it does sound totally uncouth when it is done out of turn. As for kids swearing, I do have a problem with it cuz most of the time, they have no idea how to use the swear word and just end up saying "F%@yx%" all the time which sounds completely stupid. They use it how some people use "Like" every other word. Its the same as watching certain movies on Tv when the curses are being cut out. Some movies it doesnt matter but others like *Goodfellas or Casino* it really takes away from it even tho the movies are excellent. StuckInTheSixties: I suppose bringing in comedians to this discussion was a mistake. Art is in the eyes (or ears) of the beholder. I fy^y&y' guess that the fxw#@&' point I was f^&^%@' trying to f#*$y~' make is that when someone f*%#*w' swears a lot in a certain f%x%$z' style, one which is f^&@*x' repetitious and f#~y&*' pointless, it f^xy*x' reflects on the f%~#z~' person's f~%y~&' inability to fw$#wx' express themselves in any f%*@&%' sort of fw#z@y' intelligent way. Sometimes swearing is a poor substitute for expression.  hard_candy: Nothing says Fw#z Off! - quite like fwzw off. These are heritage words and we should treasure them. It shows where our language and our people came from. Anglo Saxon and Viking words. Big part of Ancient Britannia, they played an important role in our history and development.  CoIin: this just goes to show that you guys all have gaping holes in your vocabulary. Why use a naughty word when "go away" will do perfectly well? Go was yer mouths out with soap while there's still time to catch the latest rapture gig. LiptonCambell: Really? The most people can suggest is that using the same word over and over again harms the expression the word creates? Thats true of all words- the example of "like" was given. But "Like" isn't a swear word, despite some f%#@#z' people using, like, the f&z*^~' word f%wx, like, alot. So if you use a swear word sparcely, its okay? I was honestly hoping for more resistence  - at least an anti-swear word musical number.... Brightsky: I think words have the power you give them...that being said, was out dining tonight with my youngest child, and the two young women in the booth beside us had only one adjective during their entire conversation, it was "f" this, "f" that, "effin this" and "effin that", it was very abnoxious to hear the swearing every other word... English is a beautiful language when well-spoken...and I think intelligent folks are very capable of selecting higher value words when carrying on a conversation, especially in open spaces where their poor choice of language is overheard. It's all about quality of speech -- swearing fits where it fits, but certainly not if it makes up 90 percent of your vocabulary, then I think there is something amiss and -- well, what's the point? StuckInTheSixties: Lipton, like, comparing the repetitive usage, like, of the word, like, "f%w&," over and, like, over is, like, EXACTLY like, like, an airheaded Southern California teenager, like, using the word "like," like, the way they do. It's fx&*^*' a f&^~%@' indication of the f^#*@y' lack of the f@&*%z' ability to fz^xw^' use the f@y@wy' English language in any fy&*$~' manner that's f*$^&*' even fyz%&%' close to what one might f~y%&x' consider artful. There's another one that's like that: the use of the word "all" ... Like, I'm all f@#x%x' amused by the f~zw$~' way that people, like, all use those f*%z%@' words, like, the way they, all, do. It's a fx*zw#' great f%@$&z' indication that they're all fy#^*x' all deprived in their f@w*xz' ability to fz*~%$' experess themselves in the fy#^$y' English language. The most people can suggest is that using the same word over and over again harms the expression the word creates? Thats true of all words- the example of "like" was given. But "Like" isn't a swear word, despite some fwy$#^' people using, like, the fw^~#z' word f%@^, like, alot. Morsy: We swear a lot in Aussie and it is rarely taken badly. I know what kids are like with swear words and I try not to laugh but when a toddler I am babysitting runs out carrying a toy truck yelling at the top of his voice 'f^y% daddy, f#%@ daddy' (f replacing tr) and dad's a stick in the mud for language. A 11 year old was saying it so much that I said why are you saying it every second word.....his dad told him it was a descriptive word and not swearing hehe Tink: Personally, I could care less if anyone swears. It isn't a big deal to me. However, I do stop listening to a person that swears all the time. I just tune them out because obviously they don't have anything worthy to say. I don't find a conversation that is full of cursing a very stimulating one. Conversations that don't stimulate my senses are extremely boring.  unicorn1: The point is, its not the sound of the swear that offends most people, its the intent behind it. You swear, to insult. "this fucking car.......that fucking man...etc" So, if someone is swearing, the automatic response is to react to to implied emotion, even though its so commonplace now that the emotion is only present half the time. As for kids swearing, its sad. It's like people who teach their kids how to call a dog a "woof woof" instead of a dog..just means the poor sods have to learn the right way to speak after they weed out the garbage they've been taught. harlett anathema: fornication under crown & king....is used by many to describe a heterosexual sexual act....in a direct crude manner & is why there is  over using it too describe a emotional outburst...over something that get on our nerves....most folks think of when they hear the word ...when actually it's called feces...and is why i refrain from using the word...i don't like for folks too be conjuring up images of in their minds when i am speaking about some adulterated  or something annoying LiptonCambell: >>> its not the sound of the swear that offends most people, its the intent behind it. You swear, to insult. "this fucking car.......that fucking man...etc" But you can still have rude intent without swearing- why is that? You could say "That impotent man", or "that callous and pious man", or "that troglodytic, monomaniacal puerile"- all those phrases have negative intent, but no one would cover their childrens ears and condemn you for speaking it. But they might if you said "that fucking man" And what about when it doesn't have an insulting intent? I could say that a situation is "fucked"- who is that an insult to? The situation? What if I were to say "that's fucking amazing"- thats nothing more than an adjective at that point- and could very well imply a positive response(although could equally be sarcastic) >>>just means the poor sods have to learn the right way to speak The "right" way to speak? Granted, it can be rude to hear children swear, but they can still speak rude, hurtful, insulting langage and never swear a day in their life. Why do we allow the word "fuck" to instantly imbue a negative, but words such as impetuous or deficient or even garbage to not? If the flaw of swear words is it imbues a negative, and imbues an insult, then why weren't you considered swearing when you compared the language some children use to garbage, and implied that both them and their parents should be ashamed by the comparison? Could that not be considered insulting? Was the intent of the message to insult people who do not speak English the way you feel is permissible? --- >>>and is why i refrain from using the word... You honestly think that displaying an image of the word has less of an impact than the word itself? (Edited by LiptonCambell) harlett anathema: i kinda like hiding behind the image instead of saying s...h..i...t...i just don't like the sound of it.. but that's just me... which is strange from a woman whose favorite expression is WTF.... LiptonCambell: That shit honestly pisses me off. Sometimes I catch my girlfriend say "frak" instead of fuck, or my sister say "f-ing" instead of fucking....I mean, who do they think they're fooling? You're trading a legitimate word that millions of people can relate to and speak on a regular basis- with baby talk. To a certain degree, I feel that objections to swearing is nothing more than elitism. That, somehow, you are superior to the other person because they swear and you do not. harlett anathema: i am a woman of experiences...eh...so..oh once upon a time... me and favored expression could be heard expressing it... and 1 fine day my 1 year old son said fk Y too his grandmother.... there's some ...  and good reason for screwing around with how we express it... | Philosophy Chat Room 11 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
