What makes someone think God isnt real? (Page 5)

Ramon: put 100lbs on a dead person and he doesnt feel it, scream at a death person and he doesnt hear. perception requires a sense.

LiptonCambell: I'm stil waiting on Poker to explain the difference between evolution and adaption. If your offspring develop genetic changes to better adapt to their surroundings....isn't that evolution?

Knhaylah: Interesting what to read what ppl believe in, but i so far i have not heard anyone speak to approve or dissaprove evolution or creation. So what experiences can anyone confirm that there is creation exists, cause that supports there is a god, and what expereinces can anyone confirm that evolution exists cause that supports that there is no god. Reality is that life on earth supports evolution, the only thing that supports creation is a book, written by man, the Bible.
Ever wondered why a man would write such a book????
Well, if you don't have the strenght as a man to defend yourself, would you not hope that there was something higher than you that could defend you?
And if you are a man that can stand up to any test, would you not feel mighty and not be bothered if there really is a higher beig to defend you?
What one believe has so much to do with our ownselves and how we react to situations, lol.
Therefore, a man in a helpless position might believe there is a god, and hope that he will be defended, bu a man in a powerful position.......catch the drift.
However, the helpless man who may wait on a defence from the higher being, lol, might wait and wait and wait and come to realise that there is no one to come and defend him, therefore his hope is shattered and comes to the reality of evolution........nice eh

flashie: yes exactly thats how my hope was shattered. right on

flashie: where do we get these ninkumpoops?

♠_Krash_♠: They wrote the bible and rewrote the bible to make money,simple really

Will go down as one of the greatest if not the greatest scam of all time.

LiptonCambell: >>>Interesting what to read what ppl believe in, but i so far i have not heard anyone speak to approve or dissaprove evolution or creation.

Thats because Evolution is clearly defined and explained- creationism is vague, and unclear. We can certainly discuss the errors in the bible, but creationism doesn't necessarily imply a biblical interpretation. Basically, you're asking evolution versus any idea conceivable.

XFixYourBrainX: If there were no diseases or not plagues then it would be harder for people to die on this earth, besides people killing each other. The earth would be over crowded with people causing food to be scarce, and jobs would be harder to find, the world would be a lot worse off place without infectious diseases running rampet. In dealing with people killing other people, that is those peoples decisions, they dont do it for God, they may say they are, but God doesnt want people killing each other. But if someone decides to kill another person, God can use all the people affected by it. Who knows maybe the person that was killed was a Christian, and they end up going to heaven, and the person who killed that Christian ends up becoming a Christian there self while in prison and that person goes to heaven. The family members affected on both sides may decide that life is short and why live life with hatred, remorse, fear, stress, problems, broken heart, worried all the time, when instead you can have God and he can take away all those bad things and can help them live a better life, this is only one scenario. Just imagine how many types of scenarios like this that definately happen everyday that God uses to change peoples lives, so that they are much happier, healtheir, less money problems, God can fix anything as long as you ask him into your life. Evolution doesnt help fix your problems, evolution doesnt make you healtheir, wealtheir, stronger, more loved, it doesnt take fear away from you. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and no one comes to the father except through him. Without Jesus you cant know God, I promise you will have a much better life if you have him in it.

XFixYourBrainX: I already explained it to u lipton, as you said earlier there the same, so why are you asking me to explain the difference.

XFixYourBrainX: There have been too many miracles, and life stories among people that can give there testimonies about how they became a Christian.

I was 15 years old, and I was locked up in a facility. I was in my room one night, and I wanted to figure out what was going on in my life and what I was going to do after I got out of that horrible place. I was always a troublesome kid growing up. At the time I knew there was a God and I believed in him and his son Christ. I was never a devout Christian and I never considered my self a Christian at the time. I got down on my knees by my bed and I put my hands together as if I was begging for mercy on me from God. I started to pray asking God to forgive me, to help me, to have mercy on me, to come completely in my life, and i was praying over and over again and praying and asking the Lord Jesus Christ to help me. I started to pray faster and with more concentration, then all of a sudden it was as if I was speaking another language and I knew of no other language. I felt so enlightened with love and hope from Christ it was as if the holy spirit completely came into my body. I was praying and speaking to God, I didnt know what I was saying to God, but what I was hearing was another language, my lips never moved that way before on that night. It was so odd and different I never experienced anything like that in all my life. I never knew what happened to me that night. I still remember that night like no other night. A few years later I found out that I was speaking in tounges that night. I have only told one person of this incident, but now Im telling you all. Here is some information about speaking in tounges, from the perspective of Lehman Strauss:


All Bible-believing Christians who study the Word of God are in agreement that the gift of tongues is present in the inspired Scriptures. In the New Testament two lists of gifts appear in which the gift of tongues is included. In 1 Corinthians 12:8-11 “kinds of tongues” and “the interpretation of tongues” are said to be sovereignly bestowed gifts of the Holy Spirit. In 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 “tongues” appears in the list of gifts. We call them “spiritual gifts” from the Greek word charisma, suggesting that the gift is a bestowment of God’s grace. It is not a natural ability that one might develop, but rather a special gift as those appearing in the above mentioned passages in First Corinthians.

The Holy Spirit is sovereign in the distribution of these gifts. Following the listing of the gifts, Paul adds, “But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as He will” (1 Corinthians 12:11). No one person has all the gifts, nor are we to seek the gifts. We must be careful that we do not confuse the Spirit as a gift to the believer with the gifts the Spirit gives to believers. Every believer has received the gift of the Spirit, but not every believer has received the gifts which the Spirit bestows.

♠_Krash_♠: Sounds like you need to be locked up again

XFixYourBrainX: That story I told is my proof for myself. I did not tell it to make people believe in God, I told it to let people know about God.

♠_Krash_♠: Oh so your into brainwashing others as well

XFixYourBrainX: If I thought I was brainwashing people I would keep my mouth closed. If God wanted me to stop telling people about him on here, please God do it now and give me a sign, because I will stop if you ask me to, but if not I will continue do spread the word, which is the word of God.

♠_Krash_♠: No its the words of humans...

Your spreading something humans wrote...

XFixYourBrainX: Im spreading what God has said, and you cant prove that humans wrote the word.

♠_Krash_♠: And you cant prove god did..

XFixYourBrainX: The proof that I have isnt the kind of proof you want. Meaning the proof isnt scientific proof. You may say that the stories in the Bible are fairy tells, but all the stories and parables in the Bible teach something valuable.

The Sower and the Soils (13:1-9) - The beginning of the Kingdom
Jesus ends this parable with the statement, “He who has ears, let him hear.” What does He mean? What is necessary for hearing or better -- understanding the parables? An open and receptive heart. How do we know that? He will tell us in the next section

The Reason for Parables (13:10-17)
Chiastic Structure

1. “Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

2. “And in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,

3. ‘You will keep on hearing, but will not understand;

4. And you will keep on seeing, but will not perceive;

5. For the heart of this people has become dull,

6. And with their ears they scarcely hear,

7. And they have closed their eyes

7’ Lest they should see with their eyes,

6’ And hear with their ears,

5’ And understand with their heart and return, And I should them.

4’ “But blessed are your eyes, because they see;

3’ and your ears, because they hear.

2’ “For truly I say to you, that many prophets and righteous men

1’ desired to see what you see, and did not see [it]; and to hear what you hear, and did not hear [it].

This whole section can be outlined as a chiasm. At the center of the chiasm is the most important part - the focus of the passage. Numbers 5,6 & 7 reveal the root problem and give us a progression. Because they had hard hearts, they could not hear Jesus’ words. Because they would not listen to His words, they could not see who He was. They could not see that He was the Messiah. Therefore they could not see the kingdom that had come upon them.

When you understand this, the miracles which involved restoring sight to the blind take on new significance. They become physical symbols of the spiritual blindness of Israel.

The reason Jesus told the parables was to hide the truth from those with hard hearts who did not want to hear the truth and did not want Jesus as their Messiah. They were looking for a different type of Messiah. They wanted one who would come in and defeat their earthly enemies right then.

But while He was hiding the truth from the hard hearted, he was also revealing truth to those who had open hearts and were willing to accept the truth, even if it was not what they expected.

What did the prophets and righteous men not see nor hear that the disciples were hearing about and soon to see? (Matt 13:17) The interadvent age. In OT Israel there was the present age and the age to come. The age to come was the kingdom where the Messiah would rule. What the prophets and righteous men did not see or hear about was the church age. They only saw one coming of the Messiah in the OT. They didn’t see him coming to die the first time, and returning later to judge. (Isa 61:1-2)

What Jesus is doing is revealing truth about the interadvent age - the church age - a mystery form of the kingdom. Matt 13:12 says, “what they have shall be taken away...” What is it that they don’t have? Spiritual insight. What will be taken away? Their responsibility. Because they rejected Jesus, their responsibility to reach the world - bless the world would be taken from them and given to others - the church.

LiptonCambell: We can certainly prove that man EDITED it, if nothing else.

What version of the bible do you use?

XFixYourBrainX: I use the NIV, man certainly wrote only what God told them to write. No man will edit the Bible to put in it what he wants, because of this warning from God!

Revelation 22:18

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. 22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.

IamEggman: Pokerman,
so you are say that god asked for his word to spread around the globe, knowing that it would cause the suffering and deaths of millions of people, because he wanted to thin out the population, and make life more bountiful for those of us that were fortunate to be immune to the diseases the missionaries carried?

And you say that diseases are a good thing because the world would be over-populated? That isnt true. Animals usually learn to live with what their environment can provide, we are no different.

You still havent given an answer to the questions as to why god ordered his word to be spread knowing the suffering it would cause. What's your explanation for it, or is it just god being all mysterious again?

F0rdPrefect: Pokerman >> 'I was 15 years old, and I was locked up in a facility. I was in my room one night, and I wanted to figure out what was going on in my life and what I was going to do after I got out of that horrible place'

Yeah, and thats my problem right there about religion.
I think people who choose to not to believe in faith, its a luxury for people who were fortunate enough to be living fortunate lives.
For example u go to prison and u hear guys say 'I have got nothing but Jesus in here'. You're in Afghanistan, with mortar rounds going off around u, maybe u wont make it through the day alive, and sure u will probably have a lot of faith.
When people are at there lowest ebb they choose to turn to gods and superstition.

I think its actually the 'Little Orphan Annie' complex. A wish to remain a child with a nice Daddy figure to run the world around us so that we don't have to get off our arses and expend the effort.
Surely there is far more majesty in knowing that the universe, quixotic and uncomprehensible though it may seem to be at first sight, is comprehensible by diligent intellectual human effort, and that exercising that effort not only leads to a breathtaking understanding that adds to the majesty, but gives us the power to work toward a better destiny for us all in a manner that produces real, substantive results?

So, how can smart people really believe in talking snakes, talking donkeys, people living to be 900 years old, virgin births, people living inside whales?!

Why is faith good? Why is believing in something when there is no evidence for it, a good thing?

joBabie: sorry to ask this here and now... but does it matter whether God exists or doesn't exist?

are you gonna do more good if god exists to get on his heaven's name list?

are you gonna do more bad if god doesn't exist because there's no prosecutor to send you to hell?

what i'm trying to say is that, whatever you believe - that becomes the truth. since you can't 'find' an answer, really, just believe in whatever you believe. and if you're trying to make people believe or hate people who don't believe, just to prove you are right about god's existence, i don't think god will like you that much anyway.

*AMRON*: I believe that God exists and we are answerable to God .
If it was not like that then why we are here? we could be a sparrow, or a dove or some other creature, I am Muslim and I have deep faith in Jesus too. and Islamic Ideaology says that God exists,

Infact the Gods of Stone,Fire or anything else can not give us anything. We bow down for Unsceen God, and we do not need a proof to have faith on him. May God bless all .

F0rdPrefect: What would u think of me if i truly believed that Gandalf the wizard was real?
I have 100% faith and belief that Gandalf the Wizard is a real person and that we are all answerable to him.