What makes someone think God isnt real? (Page 38) zenithmob1992: first off, im pretty sure evolution came in spite of religiosity, but aside from the trivial details of an entirely ambiguous history written by the winners, faith is all we know.. even when we trick ourselves into thinking our faith contains any logic or reason. tried and true logic and reason come first hand, so im not about to start posting from youtube.. but my point is that faith is what you have if you dont need proof to believe, for many people whose opinions very, gods existence may not even be relevant information to seek. but again it is a dynamic of peoples understanding. im a hard-atheist, void of any conviction, im anti-realist, practicality comes before speculations, so obviously im not going to perform tests to discover the existence of gods.. lol god is no more important than childhood imaginary friends, santa and the easter bunny, there is simply no justification to hold on to such fantasies if you are claiming to be about logic and reason.(edit: suppose the test mice became wise to the scientists responsible for their caged enviroment) . then why create a false dichotomy where god exists? ive never seen him, heard back from him, and many others would agree, so really you are wondering what makes someone believe god isnt real? what makes someone believe he IS real? neurons. and if ya think for a minute your scientific agnostic beliefs might somehow be above that, try again lol, the concept of god is entirely a human invention, tailored into a fact.. inside the mind.. sure, if you look inside yourself, truely enlightening thoughts may trickle through your mind, you can imagine all sorts of bizarre shit, its how lights were invented, cars, skyscrapers, smart phones, strollers and shopping carts.. i have a background in electrical theory, however i dont blindly believe in everything my colleagues might say, for example, when epd labs tells me they are creating a syntyetic fusion reaction in a burnt out street lamp in order to create a cosmological anomoly within the bulb, i had to see it to understand the HOW that is responsible.. im weary of explaining what it means to not believe so if you still dont understand, here is the short story. some of us require hard evidence, our reasoning may very some of us do not require anything more than a bible, again our reasons may very some of us just need to fill this sense of deeper connection, a place for us in the cosmos because they might think as humans we are somehow superior to all other organic life they will reason god works in mysterious ways to justify why he doesnt end wars or famine but will happily give money to pay for some schmucks coffee, maybe its the butterfly effect that is responsible and god has said "ive done enough" but i wouldnt know because i dont hear voices in my head and im not big into giant works of parabolic fiction. i dont like circular arguments, especially the one that says lack of proof isnt proof he doesnt exist.. no, lack of proof isnt gonna convince any one of anything real or otherwise, but im convinced by my own understanding the prime mover of the universe is not the entity we have created in our heads, instead it has a more reasonable explanation that can be reproduced on a smaller scale by us. suppose existance is a painting, made by a creator, yet it remains unsigned, or perhaps there is a signature that is an everchanging sky.. again, assuming existance requires a prime mover.. some people will hate me when i say they assume a prime mover to be responsible for our inception, well, that isnt proven true, math, like the bible, does not substitute for real world experience, im not saying you would have had to have been there to know, but i do want to point out no amount of lasers and radioactive dust will recreate what we assume to be the prime mover aka big bang aka god.. no amount of theoretical einstein math will prove it.. our solar system will cease to exist before it passes once around our galaxy, you exist relively for mere seconds before the return to dust.. you are clearly at the mercy of your environment, not an imaginary friend. (Edited by zenithmob1992)  sisiblackdog: End the epitaphs-evolution is not wrong; its simply incomplete-Saying we will never know something precludes that which we already have learned. Creationism is theology not science-is it useful? Is it valuable? Life is subjective Science is self-correcting. Compare Ptolemy withe Galileo. . Even as an Atheist I cannot accept an objective reality however in a infinite universe there infinite possibilities although there maybe limited probabilities; Werner Heisenberg hinted at that. To all that agree with me and those who don't I wish you health and happiness. iowagent1956: Darwin's origin of species or "Speciation" (aka evolution) is a theoretical model, not a standalone theory. As such, it is adapted and changed/evolved as we learn more about genome, embryology and other concise evidence of shared ancestry. No biological scientist will ever say humans evolved from apes. Darwin never said that. English press misquoted him. His conjecture, now widely supported, is that we share common ancestry with other primates, vertebrates, organisms. I believe this to be so, yet still have a Christian belief. I do not see the contradiction.  Evelyn99: I don’t personally think that there is a life after death. Specially in the way that the Bible describes it. In fact a mathematical impossible equation. Nothing that has a beginning can last forever. There is no such thing as infinity. The only place humans use the idea of infinity is in a imaginative line of numbers. But that’s just in our head, a thought process. In fact I find it very comforting not to exist anymore and I don’t understand why this is so much trouble for some. You rather sit next to a guy named Jesus forever? So after 150 billion years and you have nothing more to say for entertainment you ask your self how much time is left here so 150 billion and take that away from infinity and you got nothing. Irrational and souds horrible. But I can believe in many ways and I do think there is a higher purpose for the universe and it’s life forms. I just don’t put my self into it like I’m special rather just a little part of something else but it will not benefit me personally. After I’m gone. I try to remind myself that the Bible witch I have read all of it is just a book written by humans. My opinion was that the Bible is a collection of modern science technology and outlines also moral values that people can use. And the people that put it together was probably some of the most intellectual people. But like any science book that is 2000 years old we have discovered mistakes. But still good. If you were to hold a lecture on jupiters moons you would probably not use the Bible. Today you wouldn’t even use a book because most science books are outdated before they are printed out there. Science is just a story and like everything else it’s proven right till it’s wrong. I’m sure Jesus was crying and probably started drinking when he relished that the Bible was to take word for word and death on anyone who dear to confront the substance inside. That’s humans who messed that up. Of interest I did look up other scripture written about the same time plus minus 800 years and here we just as much find mericals done by people or something else. I’ve come to learn that this miracle appearances was a popular writing technique for that time. A way to get everyone’s attention before speaking your mind. People back then didn’t have the same knowledge and common sense so it had a great impact. BBC and nbc uses similar methods today to get your full attention. But if I show up and tell people I saw a buddy walking on water people will say whatever. So today newsmakers have changed the substance for getting your absolute attention. You can actually read about this style you will understand that it’s not meant to be believed in more a technique for putting fair in people because that will make them pay attention. Like many newscasts do the same today. And more: so what if someone did walk on water how is this related to a life in the sky? Remember that the entire universe with everything we don’t know it is rational heaven is rational. Thinking irrational is very dangerous. Go for a drive and start act irrational and people die. That’s the problem with humans. Of course the Bible it self is a important symbol. Symbolism has always been important for us humans and don’t need reason. Take a typical Christmas tree to botanical institute and have them explain what components of the tree make you feel all those reflected emotions during Christmas? They will laugh. It’s the symbolism that matters to humans. Evelyn99: I have nothing bad to say about the Bible other than is a really old book and like most literature it is less relevant. Some parts are very much relevant. You ask how people can not believe in god and the Bible. Well so far I haven’t found anything in the Bible nor elsewhere that makes me consider a god like that described there. There is no evidence or even something that gives sense that there is a god.,I actually find the Bible completely irrational and most of the literature in it is beyond any common sense it’s when I accepted the Bible as some human poor behavior and hopeless writing first then perhaps a possible god can be imagined by me. Doubt I ever read anything so far from spiritual experience then the Bible  Fog Swept Glade: Whatever that thing is may explain why nature like rainbows should be avoided when looking for signs of jehovah in things you can‘t have sex with. Fog Swept Glade: A prism and its elements for example. Just by products of gas or water and big stationary star. Infinity is hard to deal with for you people more than me now. Matter is expanding, not created. Evelyn99: People don’t comprehend the concept of not exiting anymore. The end. So naturally humans seeking something beyond and logic, reason, practical common sense don’t matter. I don’t understand why people find it hard not to exist naturally just like they didn’t 200 years before they where born  theHating: hahahahahaha, i have also seen the cosmos in a lightbulb expirements from epd labs along with hollow sun theory and longitudinal tesla design.. i wonder if they found their ether yet. also just came to reiterate the facts theists cant agree on one god no one is born knowing god exists no instrument of the lying science community can detect god no theist can postulate a logical method to examine god what makes you so sure, mr atheist? that is what makes me so sure. you dont go from being raised catholic to full blown hard atheist because god truely exists. and you cant blame environmental factors for this change in society because the idea of god can then be seen by your logic for what it truely is: evolutionary strategy for group cohesiveness and survival. theHating: let us try to exchange the word god for coffee, and "existance" for "in the cupboard" if you spend 2000 years looking in a barren cupboard, what makes you think coffee exists? Fog Swept Glade: Your frivilous allocation of attentention & tongue undermines any belief in the monotheistic creation you pretend to fulfil. theHating: wow, fog, that actually made a bit of sense! im pretending to be wise, but your intellect shines like the mono gods (Post deleted by Fog Swept Glade ) | Philosophy Chat Room 21 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
