Death Penlty (Page 3)

Brokenarrow: Agreed! They wont feel any sort of pity, remorse ect.

blonde goddess: and how would you know that they don't have feelings of remorse?? everyone is an individual and no one knows exactly for sure what another human being feels.

i have seen murders who feel regret.

TheRealRobRoy: “Those who are forgiven of much, love much.”
Let us not forget the people that were in prison that chose to fight and even die for their nation.
Had I not forgiven someone for hurting me, they would have not been there to save my life and I would be dead.
If one were to take the idea “That it is O.K. to kill those who have killed” and try to apply it to every historical event, you would see how things could be a lot worse. This tells us that it should not be applied in the feature.
How do you know who is going to save your life in the feature? You don’t! So don’t mess with it!

Brokenarrow: Well because some don't feel remorse and they have expressed it!!! I'm not saying I know for a fact about everyone but, there is A LOT of circumstances where they just didn't care and it was proven in front of everyone! And as for the save my life thing. I say that only comes into play based off the situation. I don't feel someone from Australia is going to save my life in the future because of the chances that they are going to be around me. I might as well have severe hope in winning the lottery if I was going to hold onto that. Still the point is that saving a life BEFORE/AFTER taking a life is not to negate the wrong doing!

singdawg: Needs to be looked at on a case by case basis
needs to be unbiased and without revenge as a motive
needs to be appropriate punishments given out
needs to be sufficient evidence
needs to be much philosophy about the crime (could talk about it but it would take pages and pages)

Brokenarrow: Why do people keep saying something about evidence? It was stated earlier (IF it was FACT!!) As for revenge. You mean someone that was involved like the family or friends of the victim. But, clearly there are a lot of people out there that would want the worst to happen so, how could you ever tell if someone wasn't out to get revenge on them?

marlon: i dont believe in the death penality

singdawg: Broken, there is no such thing as "fact" this is just a term coined by humans to denote that we have sufficient evidence to conclude that something is probably correct. The case cannot be "fact", even with video evidence an individual is still considered accused of the crime, not guilty, before the trial.

As for revenge, clearly some people will see it as revenge, but the judge must not.

Aryaa: If it were a Cirme of Passion...there should be a feeling of compassion and empathy for the criminal and no death sentence under any circumstances.
For cold-blooded murder ..Life Imprisonment is better....Death ends the life and suffering for the Criminal. If he lives ...he will have to deal with his conscience and suffer...and if he is lucky...will realise his wrong-doings... regret...repent or else live a lonely life with guilt.

Brokenarrow: singdawg: Obviously there is such thing as fact! If a person says/shows ( They killed someone because they felt that person needed to die ) Than that would be fact. But, there still would be a trial based off that regardless! So there is (FACT) when it comes to killing someone.. But, nice try....

Atomic_Rooster: i feel that we should get more chairs and fry alot of these bastards that we are paying for to live ...some of these losers live better in jail than on the streets .. ppl have talked about letting them rot in jail let them think about what they did thats bullshit they didnt give the person they killed the consideration they took the rights of the victim and of the family for life .. bring back public stoning public executions let these monsters see what will happen if you do these heinous crimes put the fear of god or whatever u wanna call it in them .. let the family of the victims deal out the punishments if its proven beyond a doubt

LiptonCambell: I don't trust the Government enough.

You own your life. This is sacred. You do not have the right to vote in leaders who take my life away, no more than I have the right to take anothers life away. If there is only a single person who disagrees with the Death Penalty, that means you are forcing that person to commit a murder against their will.

These bring serious ethical questions.

Atomic_Rooster: what about the unethical way monsters take away our loved ones dont they deserve some justice eye for a eye tooth for a tooth someone takes a life they should lose theirs

singdawg: Broken: actually, nice try for you, if a person says/shows that they killed someone, there wouldn't be a trial.

It would be regarded as an admission of guilt, not a "fact" a fact is something subjective to human understanding and not objective. You might think you know something 100% but thats not true, you don't. This is just a human mechanism for trying to gain control over our world. The most we could possibly go in any thing is about 99.9 percent. The law of gravity for example is taken as a widly known fact, but the possiblity always exists that if you drop something, it could float. Empricial evidence tells us that if i drop a rock 100 times, 100 times it will fall. However, this is only subjective inference upon a natural phenomena, nothing is actually limiting the possibilty that the rock would float.

singdawg: atomic, eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Naboo_the_Enigma: Instead of electrocution, lethal injection, gas chamber as ways of execution, which are all done behind closed doors and seem a little boring and rather passe.

Why dont they reintroduce gladitoral style fights to the death and show them on pay-per-view?

Atomic_Rooster: so u mean to tell me if someone killed one of your loved ones in a horrific way you can honestly say u wouldnt want that person impaled and killed in a way suiting to the way ur loved one was killed all you bleeding hearts is whats wrong today with the legal system u kill u die bottom line or if thats the case where u dont wnat them dead u pick up the taxes to support these monsters 50 cent bullet is all im willing to pay for them ..it cost almost 80 grand a year to house a prisoner thats bullshit pay for their medical and food and then have to pay for the gaurds to babysit these killers and rapists KILL EM ALL AND LET THEM ROT 6 FT UNDER

singdawg: You don't need to torture someone. Just slit their throat and move on.

LiptonCambell: >>>what about the unethical way monsters take away our loved ones

No, you're misunderstanding me- I'm saying that it is unethical to take a life, and no one- not me, son of sam, or uncle sam- has the right to take a life.

>>>dont they deserve some justice

I'm not saying murderers and rapists should get off the hook. Rather, I'm saying that two evils is not justice.

>>>eye for a eye tooth for a tooth someone takes a life they should lose theirs

I disagree. I do not believe the government should be executing its citizens, regardless of their actions. I don't trust them enough. Far too many people have been found innocent in jail.

>>>you can honestly say u wouldnt want that person impaled and killed in a way suiting to the way ur loved one was killed

No. Murder is wrong. It doesn't matter who kills first.

>>>it cost almost 80 grand a year to house a prisoner thats bullshit pay for their medical and food and then have to pay for the gaurds to babysit these killers and rapists KILL EM ALL AND LET THEM ROT 6 FT UNDER

Exactly my point, though- moments ago you were calling for an eye for an eye- now you want rapists to be murdered(which isn't an eye for an eye)- how much further down the line can we see people being killed for even lesser crimes?

Also, because such care has to be taken in ensuring the guilt of the convict that it often times costs more to kill them than to keep them in prison.

Naboo_the_Enigma: Dont worry, Atomic_Turkey wants to kill everyone. Obviously chemically imbalanced. He even thinks The Beatles were better than The Monkess!!!
Somebody call the party van!

john1576: Where there is no doubt of guilt the death penalty makes sense and is just. One problem is that the Authorities in the U.S. go to so much trouble to make it painless that they make it pointless. I respect them for their humanity but at the same time feel they have taken any deterrent out of the death sentence. Hanging may offend some folks, but it is quick, and relatively painless.

LiptonCambell: Hanging doesn't always work. And quick? If it doesn't instantly break your neck, you could be slowly sufficating for weeks up there.....

blonde goddess: in the olden days people used to pay children to swing on their feet so they died quicker. its where the expression 'hangers on' came from. they were paid a penny for their job.

Atomic_Rooster: and saboo thinks he knows everything ...what a joke

Atomic_Rooster: i just wanna rid the world of killers and rapist whats wrong with that no room here for scumbags like them