We are ALL part of the SAME hypocrisy (Page 2) DIAMONDfire: it is compliant with a law of environment. in bad situations it will get worse in general it will have a steady on the hunt tendency. but its always cutting. and very effective. junyabee: "a steady on the hunt tendency. but its always cutting. and very effective.."(???-explain more) B-Solves the timing of when you do respond -Australia DIAMONDfire: my audio hallucinations are like being spoken to in english in cryptic and thematic ways. i haven't had much counsel on this its controversial. there is an issue in my life and multiple people (hallucinations) input on it on a regular basis. it solicits feeling and thought often colouring my world and philosophy. but this is a stressful thing to experience i am a dependent because of it. it is something speaking to you all the time. visual hallucinations can be very majestic or either simple or shadowy. the way to dealing with it is knowing it for what it is and staying away from the waiting dangers that lurk in society. (Edited by DIAMONDfire) DIAMONDfire: your quote about intense thought/behaviour being the precursor of this type of mental break is right i think. its like a wound leading to the cosmos/psyche and that is reflected through my mind. stress is an abiding issue in relation and has become a consistent factor. but the fact that no human laws/morals conjoin and that other than a law of environment which i think is predatory by nature puts it in the madness zone. i have made strong abiding decisions throughout my life which have formed me and i think this has added to my relative stability where that may not have been the case. junyabee: "...this is a stressful thing to experience.."-As a 'closeted "disaffected" from having affinity to the cultural vernacular of behaviors, your reactions are 'normal' for your transitional procrastination from the social mores to this, your personal testament. "....a law of environment which i think is predatory by nature..." "predatory"=society? Let the 'atonement' of healing between your soul and its intuitive muse continue through what seems by all your former acculturation to be 'Rabbit-Holes'. DIAMONDfire: having schizophrenia is having a predatory disease. the social nature of it is very complicated and impactful. i feel madness is socially constructed. and that biology will always function in its way. which gives me hope because it means understanding is the way out. i am starting to get the hang of your insights and i value it because my acculturation to the rabbit holes is the right way of looking at it and it might only be a cognitive/thought disease. albeit deep. junyabee: Deconstruct the indoctrinated acculturation, and you'll find that those acculturation tools are usually the source, and not any organic expression by you, wholly DIAMONDfire: a method of self-realisation is how i view what we've been discussing. it produces insights in me and then these level out. and i have read you have described yourself as 'when in the tuned in state.' is it to say that we can't maintain the self-realisation all the time. but that we should aim at it rather all the time. (moral obligation)? is that the correct way to view the energy that is tapped into? because it does use energy. and i think you have to recover and its a cycle? is this correct thinking? at a point it becomes ascetic. is it asceticism? junyabee: "we can't maintain the self-realisation all the time. but that we should aim at it rather all the time. (moral obligation)?"-An imperative of rectitude challenge "and i think you have to recover and its a cycle?"-could be a cyclic portal of opportunity or a target obtainable by a regimen "is it asceticism?"-Definitely some form of minimalism with a strong aspect of monastic solitude junyabee: Some auto-biographical context on my psychological perspective: Much like this anecdote from my first day in kindergarten typifies how I think about people as a group: Up til that first day, my ENTIRE social network was within the walls of 1409 s. McBride 13203, with family, visitors, upstairs tenants-neighbors, next door neighbor and block kids, the corner grocery store and on whatever road trips to see relatives in Buffalo-Detroit. I get to that classroom and at one point the teacher tells us to do some small group or individual quiet activity. The other kids were rowdy and cliquish (AT 5 YEARS OLD!), so I found where some books and puzzles were. Tired of looking at the pictures in what I thought were baby-books, I tried my hand at puzzles, which I rarely-if ever-had been in my home in my previous just over 5-years. I chose a simple puzzle-less than 10 pieces. The teacher called an end to the play time, and I was half-way through the puzzle, which I was planning to leave to return to the class circle. She stopped me in my tracks and with a stern, exasperated look , addressed me to return and finish the puzzle. The other kids noting the puzzle snickered and made comments of my having not completed what was a beginner's 'baby puzzle'. Anyways, I went back and completed the puzzle now that my focus was made more acute by the situation. At the same time, I thought the equivalent of "Geeesh! What rude mean people!"-my first disaffection of what was a prologue of anomie and disaffection from the crab-basket of people social groups, in particular. Just like that kindergarten room, and just like the chastisement of teachers to me in high school for reacting verbally or physically IN DEFENSE of my character or space, people, in general, live in the crab-basket world of the social consensus of judgementalism as their projected defensiveness of being all-that. I, in the meantime, have come to have a transactional-mercenary relationship with these unavoidable interactions, before returning to the coincidentals I found that had little to do with the crowds and their ways. With the interesting sublimities of note, if not the rare and occasional person with a compelling tale of interest that was told or learned, I do have more affinity and coherence, than with the herded corrals that are more and more like refuges of emotional support for what can be smugly accepted habits for the next set-to-impress mental gymnastics of performance or posturing, than any desire to think about there existing an alternative to the existence in the 'social grab baskets'. junyabee: For semantics, let's call the 'non-secular' the iconoclastic. In that sense of the term it can be a more amorphous ambiguity of form and quality. BUT it serves as a facilitating conduit for what would be perceived by the actor a resolution of direction and tact, and even strategic enlightenment. DIAMONDfire: would the iconoclast relate to the effect of immobilisation in sleep in dream? an actual recurring dream? or terrors of a kind? my thought is viewing these phenomena can be reasonably done in a number of ways. it could be a living thing that is in your sleep connected to circumstance. biologically we a derived from an inception is the iconoclast rooted to it. and that is the beginning of non-secular philosophy/theology. junyabee: Yeah.. Getting our undistracted attention in the immobilization. Like a pod extension of an amoeba. Just have the psychic connection like after a limb is amputated but you sense its presence DIAMONDfire: this particular occasion/dream was brought on by deconstruction effort. was attached to the surrounds. indicates the same soul source? DIAMONDfire: there is a stream of thought i'm following but how is it joined to my unconscious/sleep. Freud said you could make the unconscious conscious through insight. but it feels more like a psychic wound that is deeply embedded. i think the question is what exactly are streams of thought and how powerful are they and what is their purpose? what is thought? the term schism is relevant or even chasm in respect to an environmental event? which could serve as a powerful metaphor. junyabee: " ..a psychic wound that is deeply embedded.." A conduit from our unaddressed logos reservoir of temporal-secular signals and that which our genetic antennae are receiving. Thought is the interlocutory faculty which turns the amorphous into our predisposed cognizance of understanding. 'Streams of thought' are those rushes triggered by external events send those bullets of waves shooting out from the depths of our psyche,OR the spontaneous eruptions in our psyche when our temporal mode is dormant during sleep.. DIAMONDfire: yet dreams are clear as to their depiction (amorphous) if the goal of life is understanding? it would seem to be an impossible project? the psyche seems to transcend the immediate realm. (Edited by DIAMONDfire) junyabee: "... the psyche seems to transcend the immediate realm." The tangent which gives us a tenuous connection to the cryptic symbolism of its qualities. DIAMONDfire: i was thinking there would be a correlate between deep psychic phenomena and shapeshifting? sort of a balancing out process. or a direct response? if the psyche is cryptic by nature and physically very powerful the advent in us would be a shapeshifter? junyabee: I think and speculate that "shape shifting" is more a reality in how we can envision ourselves in reveries, hallucinations, and dreams than any morphological physicality |