Religion (Page 18) Blackshoes: What Jesus had to say. No judgment. Just what My lord has said about a Rich man's regrets in Hell Here's what a Rich man had to say to Abraham while in HELL Notice the rich man concerns' for his family in 16:28 Luke 16:19 -31 16:19. There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 16:20. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 16:21. And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’table:moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 16:22. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 16:23. And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 16:24. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 16:25. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 16:26. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 16:27. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: 16:28. For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 16:29. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 16:30. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 16:31. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Edited by Blackshoes)  Zanjan: Angry: "Just leave us parents alone who raise our kids with decent morals and standards, even if they don't reflect your ideals..' Most of us don't bother parents such as yourself. If you're not slamming the door in our faces, it's still a waste of time. Instead, we talk to their kids and our kids talk to those kids ........they'll find out on the street there are other options. If you like that, then keep on doing what you're doing. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: Well, you have to start somewhere - even the loopiest beliefs and superstitions eventually shatter when meeting with solid facts of reality. Deep down, a person knows when their ideas don't hold water. They have to detach from them and that's the hard part for most - usually takes a bit of time to ease out of the dark. I'm willing to walk with anyone who wants to try.  Richard Smith: I was raised Catholic as a child. I never felt that the Catholic Church was for me. When I turned 26, I joined the Greek Orthodox church. I would suggest letting young ones find what they want as adults. You can, of course, bring them up as any religion you see fit.  (Post deleted by Goerree ) Goerree: My parents brought me and my brothers and sisters up to respect all religions. To be knowledgeable about all and everything. I am an Anglo Catholic through choice but that does not define me as a person, People don't need to know that and I certainly won't impose. I hope my personality is shaped by my upbringing and that is to be tolerant, respectful, and above all, to show compassion, that is, have a heart  Blackshoes: The POSITIVE THINKER sees the INVISIBLE, feels the INTANGIBLE, and achieves the IMPOSSIBLE. Winston Churchill Zanjan: Richard: "I would suggest letting young ones find what they want as adults." And how do you suppose they would know where to begin? It's like expecting a 6 year old to pick out his university courses in advance, assuming he can afford to attend. Besides, kids don't naturally want school of any kind - that's why we have truancy laws. God has made it a duty for parents to bring up their children with religious education so they wont be deprived of the right social skills, and so they have a path to God. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: Goerree, yes, we are a reflection of our environment. A good parent tries to bring up their child in the best possible surroundings available. It takes a whole village to raise a child. At age seven, his ways are already set so early, well-guided education is critical, as is a strong connection to a supportive community. Those people are all one's aunts, uncles, parents and siblings. Sadly, most parents arent good ones and don't think they need education in parenting. The difference can be seen quite dramatically in society. I saw it in my own family. My parents were atheist alcoholics. For several of our early childhood years, my brother and I were in Mennonite foster homes. Eventually, our parents got us back but they didnt change. Then our two sisters came along. The two sisters grew up to be so different from my brother and I - selfish, thoughtless individuals who spent all their lives lying, cheating and stealing to this very day. Compared to them and my parents, I felt like an alien. By the time I turned 30, I was so disgusted with the world, I wanted better for my children. I searched for "my people" and finally found them in a religion most people hadn't heard of - the Baha'i Faith. I credit that spiritual sensitivity and receptivity to my Menonoite foster parents - I don't remember what they taught me but whatever it was, it unconsciously stuck. The truth divided my biological family from me, cutting us apart; BUT, it was the difference in our values that made the separation permanent. Joining a religion - any of the religions of God - is just the beginning of a long new journey, deepening one's knowledge, creating loving relationships, and striving to acquire new spiritual virtues. If you're doing it right, everyone you know will remark on your expanding personal growth, heart, and spirit. That shakes down to your children, who are on that journey with you. (Edited by Zanjan)  Nicotina: Now zanjan's bias makes sense. I'm sorry that you had to endure abuse by those who were supposed to protect you. Please know that a person does not need a religion or even a belief in a god to be a decent human being. There are many loving atheists parents just as there are many loving religious parents. It's interesting that many religious people I know sought out religion after their family fell apart. There might be something in that, it's anecdotal at best but still food for thought. "You do not need religion to have morals. If you can not determine right from wrong, then you lack empathy not religion." Zanjan: "a person does not need a religion or even a belief in a god to be a decent human being." "Decent", as compared to what - a truckful of turnips? On what ground do you judge - against the worst of humanity? You don't sound like a mother to me. But if you were, I'm pretty sure you'd want your kids to be just like you, not better than you. A good person has integrity of character under all conditions. That's not possible for an atheist. He's the great waffler. As such, his success as a human being is in jeopardy. He lacks drive to contribute to positive, enduring change in the world. He criticizes the world yet has no solutions. To be an atheist is to live a life in vain. An atheist can't teach himself what he doesn't know. If the atheist was a half-way decent human being, the credit goes to how his parents brought him up until age 21 - after that, its a downhill slide because he neglects his own continued spiritual growth. Nobody stays the same. There are NO exceptions. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: On morals - who set those? Everybody follows their own (a very tiny list that doesn't match anyone else's). The test of courage is to follow a standard and, God's standard is flawless. "You do not need religion to have morals" Where do you think they came from? Who told you about them? True, one doesn't need to be a member of a religion as long as they've adopted that gold standard of conduct in its entirety. Then again, without a religious community, one loses something critically important - like-minded friends to assist with education and edification of the soul. For that reason, one can't be steadfast and productive - that is, they can't change society for the better. Nicotina: Morals are inherent in human beings. In fact, morality has been demonstrated in rats. If you feel you need a religion or religion helps you in some way then by all means, enjoy your religion as an adult. Zanjan, please seek professional help for the trauma you endured in your childhood. I say that as a caring & decent human being. It certainly seems that you have taken all the negative qualities of your parents and imposed them on all atheists. I am very fortunate to have loving people in my life and they come from many different backgrounds and many different religions or no religion at all. As for myself, I try my best to live by the Golden Rule. Of course I fail in that pursuit as many a religious person fails in their pursuit. All human beings deserve respect. MJ59: Well said  What I find obnoxious about the self righteous is: I offer my take on the question asked in the topic, straight away, Jesus and Mary have jumped down my throat to tell me what a failure I am as a parent because I did not indoctrinate them into a religion from a young age and let them choose their own path whilst offering them guidance and different options. Judgey arrogance... who died and made you two Mary and Jesus? (Edited by MJ59) Blackshoes: Odd how few practice what they preach. Morals are not inherent in Humans. Anyone that believes that, has never had children.,or has never looked at the history of the world? Note if moral were even close to human nature, we would need a military nor police force You don't teach children to lie. You don't teach children to do wrong.You have to teach them to tell the truth and follow God plan for their life. Those evil thoughts in everyone's head come from our sinful nature and our desire to serve ourselves first. The last days will show how much God stops the sinful nature when he removes his spirit and allows mankind to reveal their only nature without God hand that withhold mankind true nature  2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (Edited by Blackshoes) MJ59: Well BS, you say you blindly believed evolution once and then started asking questions because it didn't add up, because you felt you had been programmed by lies, then drew your own conclusions as to its veracity. Exactly what happened with me and religion, dogma and programming and the handbook just didn't add up, so I asked my own questions and drew my own conclusions based on my research. Funnily enough, none of which had anything to do with Darwin or evolution I am with Nicotina on this (Edited by MJ59) Blackshoes: Again! You make assumptions and false accusations Angry ! I do not blindly believe evolution is false and ridiculous. I have studied it for over forty years and there remains no microbiological evidence whatsoever of macroevolution as being possible. Every bit of Scientific research (almost all made by evolutionist ) has only reinforced the belief in special creation. Evolution is a religion without God based entirely on faith without any real science that can verify its paradigms. Now as for your unbelief? We all begin in unbelief. It takes the direct intervention of God to cause one to accept Jesus's resurrection and grace through faith. You may have believed at one time? However once you know who your father is, it's impossible to reject the truth. It's like when one knows his own name! You may deny it to others or lie about it ? You may reject it, you will never escape that you know your own name. 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